M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2713 Feb 24, 2013
Waste Watch Update: Airport Spending

ARDMORE, OK-- Situated next to the golf course, the Lake Murray State Park Airport sits empty most of the time.

"It's been over a month since I've seen an airplane land," said Wesley Chaney, who manages the golf course at Lake Murray State Park.

Records from the Oklahoma Aeronautics Commission (OAC) show the unattended air strip also sits on about $450,000 from the FAA. The airport gets $150,000 from the FAA each year. Senator Tom Coburn (R-OK) calls the airport an example of wasteful government spending. The airport landed the number four spot in Coburn's 2012 Wastebook.

"It's rarely used," said Chaney, "and some of the pilots that do fly in state that it's not in the best shape."

Records from OAC show no FAA money has been spent on improvement projects since 2008 at Lake Murray State Park Airport. A breakdown of spending at the OAC shows officials spent $5,546 at Lake Murray that year on an electrical project.

OAC records show remaining funds from 2008 were transferred to Duncan Municipal Airport. Records indicate $144,000 went toward Duncan's new airport terminal building. FAA funds from 2009 were split between two other airports OAC's spending breakdown shows $5,153 invested on the Davis Field Taxiway and $144,847 on Ardmore Municipal Airport's drainage system.

"We're making more prudent, wiser, strategic decisions in our system, and addressing higher priority needs," said Victor Bird, Director of the OAC.

With Ardmore Downtown Executive Airport just six miles from Lake Murray State Park Airport, Bird says the airstrip sees five to ten landings a month during peak season, and sometimes no landings at all during low season. Bird says it's more important for the OAC to invest FAA funds on airports with more traffic. OAC records show the airports that received funds allotted to Lake Murray State Park Airport serve major clients that include Halliburton, Michelin, and Dollar General.

"They're some of the most important airports in our system," Bird explained.

The Oklahoma Department of Tourism has tried to shut down Lake Murray State Park Airport for years, but OAC officials say closing the airport would cost Oklahoma taxpayers $184,000. Under FAA guidelines, the airport must stay open for 20 years after the OAC spends money on an improvement project.

"We don't want to pay any money back to Uncle Sam," said Bird.

Bird says Lake Murray State Park Airport is one of 497 up for review by the FAA, if the airport is deemed insignificant to aviation, FAA could cut off funding and OAC officials would close down the airport. Local pilots, like Tyler Barker say they do not want to see the airport shut down.

"This is one resource that once they're gone, they're no longer," said Barker.

Pilots argue closing the airport at Lake Murray State Park is another sign of general aviation dying out.

Chaney says he will honor any request from the FAA and OAC, but he also wants to see the land at Lake Murray State Park used in a way that will attract more visitors.

http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/vi...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2714 Feb 25, 2013
QUOTE: "Pilots argue closing the airport at Lake Murray State Park is another sign of general aviation dying out." END QUOTE

http://www.okcfox.com/newsroom/top_stories/vi...
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#2715 Feb 26, 2013
Remember this post?...
Nobody Important wrote:
For those who will oppose a jointly located regional airport, with high-speed rail terminal, located near the interstate (with bus terminal), then don't overlook this....

Central Indiana transit bill goes to full Indiana House

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130213/NEWS...
Here's the follow-on to the above....

Indiana House OKs mass transit legislation

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130225/NEWS...

[An excerpt]

Legislation that could clear the way for expanded mass transit in Central Indiana made it through the Indiana House Monday night.

But that was the easy part.

The proposal faces more obstacles in the Indiana Senate, where some leading Republicans have repeatedly questioned the cost and scope of transit advocates’ vision for a 10-year $1.3 billion expansion.

Even if the measure clears the Senate and becomes law, it simply allows 10 counties in the metro area to hold a referendum to let voters decide whether they want to pay up to a three-tenths of one percent local income tax to fund the local share of the transit expansion.

Only Hamilton and Marion counties plan to hold a vote in 2014. Other counties could opt in over time.

"We're talking about what’s going to keep this ... a world class city tweny, thirty, forty years down the road," said Carmel Republican Jerry Torr, the bill’s author.

The House voted 56-39 late Monday, with bipartisan support, to approve House Bill 1011 and send it to the Indiana Senate.[...]

Support, though, is more questionable in the Senate, where Indianapolis Republican Pat Miller will carry the legislation.

Senate President Pro Tempore David Long, R-Fort Wayne has said he sees the need to improve bus service. But he has repeatedly questioned the need for an expensive rail project proposed to link Noblesville and Downtown, because it only serves a small portion of the region. Transit advocates also have begun considering Bus Rapid Transit — express bus service with limited stops — for that route.

Senate Appropriations Chairman Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville, is concerned about the long-term costs of maintaining and operating a transit system. But he said he thinks the idea of affording local governments control of the issue could resonate. He wants to change the bill to make the referendum advisory, so local leaders ultimately would have to make and stand by the decision to expand transit.

[End of excerpt]

This is powerful.... "We're talking about what’s going to keep this ... a world class city tweny, thirty, forty years down the road," said Carmel Republican Jerry Torr, the bill’s author.

Might I restate the last paragraph? It should say, "Local leaders with vision longer than the length of their arms will ultimately will make and stand by the decision to expand transit."

After this Indiana governmental legislative session is over, Greensburg mayor Gary Herbert is advised to contact Senators Pat Miller, David Long, and Luke Kenley for consensus-building toward getting a regional high-speed rail stop on the federal agenda.

You don't want to be on the wrong side of history regarding this, Gary.
Who Cares

Sunman, IN

#2716 Feb 26, 2013
Have you called your legislators to encourage their support of the bill? No. Your waiting for "Gary" to do it for you.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2717 Feb 26, 2013
Nobody Important wrote:
Remember this post?...
<quoted text>
Here's the follow-on to the above....
Indiana House OKs mass transit legislation
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130225/NEWS...
[An excerpt]
Legislation that could clear the way for expanded mass transit in Central Indiana made it through the Indiana House Monday night.
But that was the easy part.
The proposal faces more obstacles in the Indiana Senate, where some leading Republicans have repeatedly questioned the cost and scope of transit advocates’ vision for a 10-year $1.3 billion expansion.
Even if the measure clears the Senate and becomes law, it simply allows 10 counties in the metro area to hold a referendum to let voters decide whether they want to pay up to a three-tenths of one percent local income tax to fund the local share of the transit expansion.
Only Hamilton and Marion counties plan to hold a vote in 2014. Other counties could opt in over time.
"We're talking about what’s going to keep this ... a world class city tweny, thirty, forty years down the road," said Carmel Republican Jerry Torr, the bill’s author.
The House voted 56-39 late Monday, with bipartisan support, to approve House Bill 1011 and send it to the Indiana Senate.[...]
Support, though, is more questionable in the Senate, where Indianapolis Republican Pat Miller will carry the legislation.
Senate President Pro Tempore David Long, R-Fort Wayne has said he sees the need to improve bus service. But he has repeatedly questioned the need for an expensive rail project proposed to link Noblesville and Downtown, because it only serves a small portion of the region. Transit advocates also have begun considering Bus Rapid Transit — express bus service with limited stops — for that route.
Senate Appropriations Chairman Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville, is concerned about the long-term costs of maintaining and operating a transit system. But he said he thinks the idea of affording local governments control of the issue could resonate. He wants to change the bill to make the referendum advisory, so local leaders ultimately would have to make and stand by the decision to expand transit.
[End of excerpt]
This is powerful.... "We're talking about what’s going to keep this ... a world class city tweny, thirty, forty years down the road," said Carmel Republican Jerry Torr, the bill’s author.
Might I restate the last paragraph? It should say, "Local leaders with vision longer than the length of their arms will ultimately will make and stand by the decision to expand transit."
After this Indiana governmental legislative session is over, Greensburg mayor Gary Herbert is advised to contact Senators Pat Miller, David Long, and Luke Kenley for consensus-building toward getting a regional high-speed rail stop on the federal agenda.
You don't want to be on the wrong side of history regarding this, Gary.
This is that "bigger picture" .....

Are we as a community willing to work towards that "bigger picture"
or are we going to just lay down and die while a few spend us into oblivion?

Are we investing 32 million to have just another airport like the 3 or 4 that are less than 30 minutes from us or are we going to pursue a regional endeaver and share the costs and upkeep while giving it a chance to succeed on it's own?
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#2718 Feb 26, 2013
Who Cares wrote:
Have you called your legislators to encourage their support of the bill? No. You're waiting for "Gary" to do it for you.
Why can't you take your blinders off? Evidently, Luke Kenley has....
Nobody Important wrote:
Indiana House OKs mass transit legislation

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130225/NEWS...

[An excerpt]

Senate Appropriations Chairman Luke Kenley, R-Noblesville,[...] said he thinks the idea of affording local governments control of the issue could resonate. He wants to change the bill to make the referendum advisory, so local leaders ultimately would have to make and stand by the decision to expand transit.

[End of excerpt]
Don't stand on the wrong side of history, Gary.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2719 Feb 26, 2013
This is the VIDEO and the AGENDA of the City of Greensburg Board of Aviation Commissioners meeting of 2-25-13

NOTE: last month the BOAC transferred monies from accounts one of them being the fuel fund. This month they discuss a late payment fee on the fuel fund.

The Mayor also speaks about getting the youth involved with the various boards. He is talking about a shadow board which you can hear in this video.

I have an idea for the Mayor which I will post here....Why don't you consider letting the youth videotape and broadcast the meetings on local ETC cable and the internet for the convienence of the taxpayers? this would get the youth involved in a very meaningful way.

VIDEO:

PART 1 OF 1:
&fe ature=youtu.be

AGENDA:

Call meeting to order
Roll Call
Agenda approval
Approve minutes of January 28th meeting
Financial report.

OLD BUSINESS

none

NEW BUSINESS:

Approve payments of Bills
Don Manley
Comments from the Board and Public
Mayor's comments
Meeting adjournment
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#2720 Feb 26, 2013
Pay careful attention to my word selection in the following....
Nobody Important wrote:
After this Indiana governmental legislative session is over, Greensburg mayor Gary Herbert is advised to contact Senators Pat Miller, David Long, and Luke Kenley for consensus-building toward getting a regional high-speed rail stop on the federal agenda.

You don't want to be on the wrong side of history regarding this, Gary.
I know the bill cited in the Indianapolis Star articles doesn't affect Decatur County. But ... it takes statewide support via the Indiana House and Senate, and the timing is right for consensus-building on mass transit issues.

As for getting the high-speed rail to stop in southeast Indiana, the idea is to make key state legislative officials aware of what federal planners have omitted while the mass transit bill is fresh in the public's eye. It needs to be impressed upon them that though the legislative work in the Indiana statehouse is finished, the "big picture" isn't complete.

Once this bill becomes a thing of the past, then it'll be hard to get legislators into the same frame of mind. There'll be other pressing statewide matters, and we all know that politicians are set to impress constituents in their representative districts.

As far as it goes with Mayor Herbert, its time that you get moving. A part of enjoyed success is recognizing when opportunity prevails. This can be the signature achievement of your administration.
Nobody Important

Greenwood, IN

#2721 Feb 27, 2013
Nobody wants a piece of this?
daisy duck

Greensburg, IN

#2722 Feb 27, 2013
no, just we're all tired of u! go straighten greenwood out.
M Jean Johannigman

Batesville, IN

#2723 Feb 27, 2013
If they (the Board of Aviation Commissioners (BOAC) make it through the last FAA hoops they need to jump through...whose land will be taken (by eminent domain) and when (according to their updated Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) will they take it?

2013

Fred L. Sterchi
Decatur Airport Corporation
BOAC Lease &Row from Decatur Airport Corp.
BOAC Lease

2014

Charles and Diane Beggs
Adolph and Rosella Irene Narwold
Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Earnest R. Hastonand Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston , trustee.
Gary P. and Judith L. Koors
John W. Goddard

2015

Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Ernest R. Haston and Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston, trustee.
Fred L. Sterchi
John W. and Geraldine Henry
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Roger P. and Ethel Linkmeyer
Lowe's Pellets & Grain, Inc.
Indiana State Highway.

NOTE: Remember that any grants received are "reimbursable" grants.....that means that they spend the money and then they apply for the grant reimbursement.

NOTE: According to the CIP the total projected cost of the above land acquisition by eminent domain will take a minimum amount of :

$ 5,127,400.00

I say minimum because the vast majority of landowners do not want to sell and if I were them I would fight it.

and to think that two of the biggest supporters of this expansion have land north of the interstate large enough to put this expansion on while only taking property from TWO people! and who knows perhaps since they support this expansion they might even donate the land and their names could be put on this airport.

The reimbursement is also not 100% as was stated in today's Greensburg Daily News article of 2/27/13.
Originally the FAA reimbursed 95% and the State reimbursed 2 1/2% but both of those have cut that down and it is roughly 92% reimbursement.

The CIP also makes this comment about "funding"
"If available local funds accelerate the land acquistion, then will move construction ahead of land.
SkyKing

Liberty, IN

#2724 Feb 27, 2013
An airport with one customer is an expensive proposition. But with many customers, Hillenbrands, Romwebers, Honda, Hitachi, Gecom, Valeo, Steel Technologies, Sintering Technology, Tree City Tool, Delta, Heartwood Manufacturing, Kova, Stewart Seed, Batesville Tool, K&B, ABM Bearing, Hospital, Wood Miser, and many other area businesses, an airport would be an asset to this community. One can only wonder if BCA, Printpak and Delta would still be some of the leading manufacturers in our community if Greensburg had improved the infrastructure.
Keeping Greensburg from progressing has been extremely expensive.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2725 Feb 27, 2013
If they (the Board of Aviation Commissioners (BOAC) make it through the last FAA hoops they need to jump through...whose land will be taken (by eminent domain) and when (according to their updated Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) will they take it?

2013

Fred L. Sterchi
Decatur Airport Corporation
BOAC Lease &Row from Decatur Airport Corp.
BOAC Lease

2014

Charles and Diane Beggs
Adolph and Rosella Irene Narwold
Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Earnest R. Hastonand Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston , trustee.
Gary P. and Judith L. Koors
John W. Goddard

2015

Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Ernest R. Haston and Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston, trustee.
Fred L. Sterchi
John W. and Geraldine Henry
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Roger P. and Ethel Linkmeyer
Lowe's Pellets & Grain, Inc.
Indiana State Highway.

NOTE: Remember that any grants received are "reimbursable" grants.....that means that they spend the money and then they apply for the grant reimbursement.

NOTE: According to the CIP the total projected cost of the above land acquisition by eminent domain will take a minimum amount of :

$ 5,127,400.00

I say minimum because the vast majority of landowners do not want to sell and if I were them I would fight it.

and to think that two of the biggest supporters of this expansion have land north of the interstate large enough to put this expansion on while only taking property from TWO people! and who knows perhaps since they support this expansion they might even donate the land and their names could be put on this airport.

The reimbursement is also not 100% as was stated in today's Greensburg Daily News article of 2/27/13.
Originally the FAA reimbursed 95% and the State reimbursed 2 1/2% but both of those have cut that down and it is roughly 92% reimbursement.

The CIP also makes this comment about "funding"
"If available local funds accelerate the land acquistion, then will move construction ahead of land.
Daffy Duck

Sunman, IN

#2726 Feb 27, 2013
QUACK. She still speculates just like her cohort. There is no proof that the two landowners would donate land nor proof that the FAA would approve it. SPECULATION. SUPPOSITION. SUSPICION.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2727 Feb 27, 2013
Daffy Duck wrote:
QUACK. She still speculates just like her cohort. There is no proof that the two landowners would donate land nor proof that the FAA would approve it. SPECULATION. SUPPOSITION. SUSPICION.
so instead of checking they will take land from all the people listed below when the vast majority of them do not want to sell and do not believe in this proposed project. Did they check to see if these people wanted to sell before forcing this on them? Looks like your theory is "do as I say" , "not as I do".

If they (the Board of Aviation Commissioners (BOAC) make it through the last FAA hoops they need to jump through...whose land will be taken (by eminent domain) and when (according to their updated Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) will they take it?

2013

Fred L. Sterchi
Decatur Airport Corporation
BOAC Lease &Row from Decatur Airport Corp.
BOAC Lease

2014

Charles and Diane Beggs
Adolph and Rosella Irene Narwold
Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Earnest R. Hastonand Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston , trustee.
Gary P. and Judith L. Koors
John W. Goddard

2015

Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Ernest R. Haston and Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston, trustee.
Fred L. Sterchi
John W. and Geraldine Henry
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Roger P. and Ethel Linkmeyer
Lowe's Pellets & Grain, Inc.
Indiana State Highway.

NOTE: Remember that any grants received are "reimbursable" grants.....that means that they spend the money and then they apply for the grant reimbursement.

NOTE: According to the CIP the total projected cost of the above land acquisition by eminent domain will take a minimum amount of :

$ 5,127,400.00

I say minimum because the vast majority of landowners do not want to sell and if I were them I would fight it.

and to think that two of the biggest supporters of this expansion have land north of the interstate large enough to put this expansion on while only taking property from TWO people! and who knows perhaps since they support this expansion they might even donate the land and their names could be put on this airport.

The reimbursement is also not 100% as was stated in today's Greensburg Daily News article of 2/27/13.
Originally the FAA reimbursed 95% and the State reimbursed 2 1/2% but both of those have cut that down and it is roughly 92% reimbursement.

The CIP also makes this comment about "funding"
"If available local funds accelerate the land acquistion, then will move construction ahead of land.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2728 Feb 27, 2013
SkyKing

Liberty, IN

#2729 Feb 27, 2013
Of course, no one believes all of the property that you listed will needed. It is another one of your exaggerations to try to scare people. In your tireless quest to stop Greensburg from growing, you have no morals.
Eminent domain is the same if it is property in Greensburg or New Point. Nobody wants eminent domain, but it is a tool that has been used for years to improve communities all over this great nation. The property that I74 runs on has several eminent domain. Many schools, highways, pipelines, electric lines, airports and hospitals have been built on eminent domain Lincoln Street improvement is the result of eminent domain or the threat of eminent domain. Your high-speed non-stop rail system will use eminent domain. All of the people have been fairly compensated for their property, given market value or more than market value.

Your arguments against progress are not valid. But we must give you credit, you will stop at nothing to fulfill your obsessive devotion to keep Greensburg from entering the 21st century.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2730 Feb 27, 2013
SkyKing wrote:
Of course, no one believes all of the property that you listed will needed. It is another one of your exaggerations to try to scare people. In your tireless quest to stop Greensburg from growing, you have no morals.
SKYKING....this information came directly from the copy of the updated Capital Improvement Plan that I requested from the Board of Aviation Commissioners and received from them at their most recent meeting. Are you saying that the BOAC and their engineer don't know what they are doing? Are you saying that the BOAC and their engineer are trying to scare people?!

As for you saying I am against progress...quite the contrary...i would be very interested if a ROI were performed and if needed a regional pursuit came about that would share the costs at a new location that would give the facility the best chance of being self supporting and not fall back on the taxpayers. That would be progress.
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2731 Feb 27, 2013
Decatur Airport Corporation

https://secure.in.gov/sos/online_corps/view_d ...
M Jean Johannigman

Greensburg, IN

#2732 Feb 27, 2013
so instead of checking they will take land from all the people listed below when the vast majority of them do not want to sell and do not believe in this proposed project. Did they check to see if these people wanted to sell before forcing this on them? Looks like your theory is "do as I say" , "not as I do".

If they (the Board of Aviation Commissioners (BOAC) make it through the last FAA hoops they need to jump through...whose land will be taken (by eminent domain) and when (according to their updated Capital Improvement Plan (CIP) will they take it?

2013

Fred L. Sterchi
Decatur Airport Corporation
BOAC Lease &Row from Decatur Airport Corp.
BOAC Lease

2014

Charles and Diane Beggs
Adolph and Rosella Irene Narwold
Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Earnest R. Hastonand Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston , trustee.
Gary P. and Judith L. Koors
John W. Goddard

2015

Leonard Hogarth Hull and Lillian Edna (Litteu)
Ernest R. Haston and Betty J. Haston revocable trust : Marc Haston, trustee.
Fred L. Sterchi
John W. and Geraldine Henry
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Fred L. and Barbara Sterchi
Roger P. and Ethel Linkmeyer
Lowe's Pellets & Grain, Inc.
Indiana State Highway.

NOTE: Remember that any grants received are "reimbursable" grants.....that means that they spend the money and then they apply for the grant reimbursement.

NOTE: According to the CIP the total projected cost of the above land acquisition by eminent domain will take a minimum amount of :

$ 5,127,400.00

I say minimum because the vast majority of landowners do not want to sell and if I were them I would fight it.

and to think that two of the biggest supporters of this expansion have land north of the interstate large enough to put this expansion on while only taking property from TWO people! and who knows perhaps since they support this expansion they might even donate the land and their names could be put on this airport.

The reimbursement is also not 100% as was stated in today's Greensburg Daily News article of 2/27/13.
Originally the FAA reimbursed 95% and the State reimbursed 2 1/2% but both of those have cut that down and it is roughly 92% reimbursement.

The CIP also makes this comment about "funding"
"If available local funds accelerate the land acquistion, then will move construction ahead of land.

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