Proposal to fine tune noise ordinance

Proposal to fine tune noise ordinance

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“Mohave Cnty Judicial Watchers”

Since: Dec 07

Lake Havasu City

#1 Dec 29, 2007
Proposal to fine tune noise ordinance

By JOHN RUDOLF
Friday, December 28, 2007 10:14 PM MST

Police department officials, working with the city’s legal department, have taken the first steps towards the creation of a new noise ordinance, one designed to eliminate ambiguities in the city’s current noise statutes that police say can hamper enforcement.

“The existing noise ordinances are not very detailed,” said Capt. Joe Fiumara, of the Lake Havasu City Police Department.“Our hope is that we might find a more objective measurement.”

With the goal of crafting a more precise statute regarding noise violations, the city’s legal department has crafted a draft ordinance for consideration by the City Council. The proposed ordinance would replace current laws that rely on the judgment of officers, with a decibel-based law that can be electronically measured.

In Fiumara’s opinion, the previous law, which defined a violation as noise that led to “annoyance” or interfered with “quality of life” was too ambiguous.“What annoys one person may not annoy another,” he said.

The draft law is still in a very preliminary state, and has been distributed to city officials and community leaders for comment. The draft is based upon elements from El Paso, Texas, and Gilbert, Ariz., laws, and input from the police department and the city’s code enforcement department. Fiumara estimated that the ordinance would come up for discussion at the city council sometime in mid-January or later.

The new law would require officers to monitor “ambient noise level(s)” with a sound level meter. Residential areas would be limited to a noise level of 50 decibels from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m., and 55 decibels from 7 a.m. to 10 p.m. Commercial, mixed-use and industrial properties would be subject to varying noise levels.

A decibel is measured algorithmically, meaning that each point on the decibel scale represents an increase by a degree of magnitude. Zero decibels equals total silence; the sound of rustling leaves, at 20 decibels, is around 100 times more powerful. A conversation at normal volume is between 50 and 65 decibels; a loud rock concert is between 110 and 140 decibels.

Various exceptions, such as for sporting events, church chimes, lawnmowers, and activities permitted by the city, would be exempt from the regulations under the draft law.

Fiumara said the impetus behind the ordinance originated with the police department, but that the goal was not to increase the amount of citations.“There’s no goal to increase penalties or find new ways to identify violations,” he said.“We simply want something that everyone can understand and reasonably abide by.”

“Mohave Cnty Judicial Watchers”

Since: Dec 07

Lake Havasu City

#2 Dec 29, 2007
Not all boaters drink so the City Magistrate would look silly upholding reckless driving or boating charges so the city has come up with a new way for the City Magistrate to generate some money off the backs of the Tourists. Sound meters are unreliable and sound, depending on where measured, will change the decible levels. It's a scam pure and simple.
Rick of Lake Havasu City

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#3 Jan 1, 2008
'O' Hell if you call about a dog barking at 1:00 am the frist time the police department tells you to call the SPCA in the morning? Disturbing the peice is not enforced now, do you expect me to belive in will change when the cops are carrying some costly radio shack meter?

“Mohave Cnty Judicial Watchers”

Since: Dec 07

Lake Havasu City

#4 Jan 1, 2008
Yes I believe that if you have a boat in the channel and are not drinking and or the women are dressed but you have "california" writting under your boats name the cops will pull our an unreliable sound meter out and say it was over the limit. Likewise if you are driving with California plates but don't forget to come to a complete stop or don't forget to use a turn signal you will get stopped and once again the unreliable sound meter will be pulled out. I bought a sound meter and put next to my tv's speaker at a less than normal position. On commercials it went to 100db. Oh yes this is ANOTHER way to get you nailed with a ticket that you cannot fight in court-especially with Judge who worked with, trained, socialized with, and supervised the officers who cite you.
Rick

Stormville, NY

#5 Sep 22, 2008
Actually, graft and corruption here, follow the money. New Az, no smoking ordinances have driven those outside.. to drink and smoke. Bar owners are losing money, because to get them to drink more, you need to turn up the volume. So, 30,000 people, close enough to the bar, have to lose sleep, because ETOH has to be made to have profits maximized.

The current ordinance is fine, got a problem, call, Cops will deal with it. But now, a few bar owners are losing liquor sales, so the Police Chief, and the City Attorney are drafting new legislation, to stick it to those who might want to sleep, in favor of those whop smoke and drink, show their T and A.

Bar owners are lining the pockets of officials here. Stinks, BAD.
barry b

United States

#6 Jan 20, 2009
Lets start with all those cars with no mufflers,go to another state like North Carolina where cars are inspected on a tearly basis. Guess what? They all have mufflers because bt law they can't be removed like the morons do in Havasu! And then thers's the boats that make more noise than the shuttle lifting off. Did you know there is a noice limit on the lake? I guess if I had a little memeber removing my muffler would make it seem bigger.STOP THE PEOPLE!!Lets hear the birds sing again.
Sam Shaw

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#7 Feb 19, 2009
barry b wrote:
Lets start with all those cars with no mufflers,go to another state like North Carolina where cars are inspected on a tearly basis. Guess what? They all have mufflers because bt law they can't be removed like the morons do in Havasu! And then thers's the boats that make more noise than the shuttle lifting off. Did you know there is a noice limit on the lake? I guess if I had a little memeber removing my muffler would make it seem bigger.STOP THE PEOPLE!!Lets hear the birds sing again.
Instead of talking about the school...you might what to pay a little bit more attention in English and grammar class...
billy bob

United States

#8 Feb 19, 2009
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moesha

United States

#9 Feb 19, 2009
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Eileen

United States

#10 Mar 15, 2009
I want to bring to attention the sounds of CARS RACING AT SARA PARK this weekend, and all day Sunday.
Should I get a list going of all the residents in the area who are sick of this? Talk about noise pollution, all day long, all weekend long, no fun, no peace. I think they should put up a sound barrier out there, paid for by the race car sponsors...or move it further out of town! What do you think?
Ricky

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#11 Mar 16, 2009
Pretty much like living near an airport...noise goes along with race tracks. The track has been there for years. They aren't going to move the track.. that leaves you the choice to move or deal with the noise.
Ricky

Lake Havasu City, AZ

#12 Mar 16, 2009
No, you shouldn't. It would be a waste of time. SARA Park is just that a park. The race track has been there for years. Loud noise goes with race tracks as does noise with airports. They aren't going to move the race track so that leaves you the option of dealing with it or moving.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#13 Mar 31, 2009
I hate to say this but put a BLM ranger at the boat ramps with a sound meter and test boats as they are put in the the water, present the ticket and pull the boat back out..
Sam Shaw

Perrysburg, OH

#14 Apr 3, 2009
Bonhomme Richard wrote:
I hate to say this but put a BLM ranger at the boat ramps with a sound meter and test boats as they are put in the the water, present the ticket and pull the boat back out..
That will work well at the SARA park race track...
Roco

Stormville, NY

#15 Apr 12, 2009
Ricky wrote:
No, you shouldn't. It would be a waste of time. SARA Park is just that a park. The race track has been there for years. Loud noise goes with race tracks as does noise with airports. They aren't going to move the race track so that leaves you the option of dealing with it or moving.
Wasn't the race track at Sara Park abandoned and on the "demolition block"? When I moved here in 2002, the only sound that came from Sara Park was the vehicles passing it on highway 95. There was not too much going on there until the race track was revived. So the noise should have been take n into consideration. Was there an environmental impact report done on it? Just curious.
Ron

Kingman, AZ

#16 Nov 6, 2010
Barking dogs throughout this city is just uncalled for. Neighbors that have no respect or consideration for other people have dogs that just bark day in and day out.

It has been this way since 1999 when we moved here. Dogs barking all the time. The city has a nuisance ordinance that has never to my knowledge ever been enforced. Dogs are just allowed to bark all the time. Besides the owners consideration for their neighbors it appears that the city doesn't care either about the comfort of its citizens.
Austin

El Paso, TX

#17 Feb 4, 2014
Just came across this old post, but the ironic thing is the El Paso Police dept is the biggest violator of noise ordinances in the city. Just ask anyone living in Highland Park underneath Scenic Drive. The gun fire and explosive ordinance noise from the El Police Academy is incessant, starts typically at 5:30 AM and goes well on towards midnight. It violates ordinances for duration, decibel level, and proximity to Schools (Moreno Elementary is directly underneath the Police Academy), Hospitals (Southwestern General), and Churches (All Saints, Lady of Guadalupe). And, the El Paso Police Academy is not exempt from gun fire noise pollution ordinances, as per Texas legal code, because it is not a public firing range. Any noise ordinance imposed by or enforced by the EPPD is a scam - Period.

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