Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in...

Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

There are 2047 comments on the EMS1 story from Feb 1, 2013, titled Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio. In it, EMS1 reports that:

CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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Kotex

United States

#1065 Apr 28, 2013
Clearcreek Mom wrote:
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I have already shown that the links provided by "Here is what I found" are either flawed or very hard to glean information from. The township annual report lists the fire department vehicles by mileage, but the document is .PDF format, so it is difficult to pull information from but I did notice that one of the vehicles that the flyer states has to be replaced was only driven 11 miles in 2012.
Yes, I am only an average intelligence-type of person. I love my family and my community. I am motivated to improve it, but I am not willing to sign a blank check. I'm also not going to waste my time trying to answer questions that no one in the fire department is willing to answer.
Remember--YOU are the one asking for money--not me!! If you value public opinion, answer. Even if they seem "stupid." Answer them. You will get the tallied vote as an answer to your question. If that's how you want to "play the game" with the voters--then fine. We all know the game then.
As a final comment, let me say that today's blogs and other social media ARE the new town hall meetings. If the Chief had any sense at all, he'd get on the ball and get into social media. If he doesn't like Topix, then choose something else.
Chrisman - are you on the rag again?? You must be in sync with Oda and Ansbaugh.
focus

Xenia, OH

#1066 Apr 28, 2013
Kotex wrote:
<quoted text>
Chrisman - are you on the rag again?? You must be in sync with Oda and Ansbaugh.
public record, you are one foul creature....and you expect folks to vote for this levy based on your posts....?
Stop Emotional Blackmail

Cincinnati, OH

#1067 Apr 28, 2013
@ on the front line:
(Unfortunately, due to the special and customized nature of fire and emergency medical service vehicles they are very expensive. A medic unit / ambulance costs approximately $225,000.00 each, a rescue truck costs approximately $375,000.00 each, and a fire engine costs approximately $500,000.00 each. Ladder trucks cost approximately $1,000,000.00 each.)

The full post of blogger "on the front line".....
proves an Additional Levy is not needed for the Fire District to provide needed safety services to local taxpayers; what is proven is the inefficient spending and waste of our tax dollars by the Township Government Leadership, including Township Trustee President, Mr. Ed Wade.

Those attending public meeting asked township trustee Mr. Wade WHY he was donating $270,000 to Springboro parks IF our tax dollars were needed for the fire fund. Placing priority on our public safety should be Mr. Wade's Number 1 Concern; instead Mr. Wade spent taxpayers money on Parks instead of Public Safety. Why does Mr. Wade care more about soccer fields for Springboro's kids than he cares about quick responses to emergencies at our Springboro homes?
Mr. Wade did answered correctly by saying that money collected by the fire levy could only be used for the fire district.
Mr. Wade did not answer that money in the township general fund could be transferred to the fire fund; and wasn't that the question asked?
And isn't that simply "innocent deceit?"
Good neighbors, let us not be innocently deceived and emotionally blackmailed by these pro-levy lovers "on the front line" and "in the township board room."
Citizens for responsible spending are now asking Mr. Kidd to stop this phony pity party emotionaly blackmailing taxpayers for more dollars; why isn't Mr. Kidd badgering Mr. Wade for this money?
Taxpayers have done our job and paid up enough already!
Healthy Choice

Cincinnati, OH

#1068 Apr 28, 2013
FD Man wrote:
<quoted text>
If such evidence that a new levy is not needed exists, I'm sure you can provide it, correct?
As is, the fire department is operating with a $2 million deficit each year which is only temporarily sustainable because of the careful control of expenses over the last decade. That cannot continue.
Either the levy is passed and the services as we know them are continued into the future, or it fails and cuts to the level of service will occur to bring expenses in line with income. The cuts would represent 1/3 of the overall budget which is pretty significant. Citizens will feel an impact, and that is not emotional blackmail, that is fact. All decisions have consequences and the voters in our community deserve to know those consequences up front so they can make an informed decision.
The members of the fire department are extremely happy to serve this community, often well over and above what they are compensated for. A great example is the many off-duty firefighters who came in on their day off and helped with an open house last weekend.
Make the smart choice - say YES to Issue 3 on May 7th!
Mr. Kidd and township leaders failed to present to this community the NEED for more money, with full disclosure of the various funding accounts of the CC fire district so that the average citizen could understand. It is impossible to argue on this blog based on "facts" when the fire chief has ignored educating the voters. Questions were asked at public meeting IF there would be a town hall meeting presenting the budget to the community, BEFORE the trustees voted to put it on the ballot.
There was NO such meeting. Instead a hurry up meeting was held early morning, with no input from taxpayers, and only two trustees voted yes to increasing the fire district budget almost100%! and now we are being told The time has come for you to pay more or your family and your property will suffer harm as punishment for not giving the fire district more??
The time has come to say NO more of this inefficient leadership and wasteful spending of our tax dollars.
The only healthy choice is Just VOTE NO on May 7th and Help Us Keep our community both SAFE AND AFFORDABLE!
Clearcreek Mom

Springfield, OH

#1069 Apr 28, 2013
Well, this blog has hit the gutter. Disgusting. Disgusting language. Disgusting behavior. Disgusting people.

I'm disgusted with the issue and am quitting my inquiry. I won't be calling the Chief. I appreciate the person who answered my question on the rescue vehicle. I figured it was something mechanical. Did not know it was a reserve vehicle. It was not listed as a reserve vehicle in the 2012 township report.

There are three voters in my household. Two of us use feminine products. The other one learned in combat that some feminine products are extremely useful in stopping the bleeding from wounds.

There are wounds on this battlefield, my fellow citizens. No matter how the vote is tallied for and against, you are leaving good people wounded and bleeding on this disgusting battlefield.
focus

Xenia, OH

#1070 Apr 28, 2013
VOTE NO to pay raises..!

VOTE WADE OUT IN NOVEMBER !

FIRE PICKETT and his booze habit !

Vote to keep your hard earned dollars in your pocket, not in those greedy township goons' coffers.
Public Record

United States

#1071 Apr 28, 2013
focus wrote:
VOTE NO to pay raises..!
VOTE WADE OUT IN NOVEMBER !
FIRE PICKETT and his booze habit !
Vote to keep your hard earned dollars in your pocket, not in those greedy township goons' coffers.
Nice repost. You're an idiot.
The Record Speaks

Cincinnati, OH

#1072 Apr 28, 2013
As a (T)otally (E)ngaged (A)merican
citizen and proud Voter for responsible spending, I stay informed of the activity of Clearcreek police activity and Clearcreek fire/ambulance runs as reported in the weekly edition of the Springboro Sun.

Has anybody else on this blog noticed that the Clearcreek fire/ambulance run record is "silent" in the April 25 edition of the Springboro Sun?

What's up with that, Mr. Kidd? Perhaps our fire chief has been so busy this week with activities of emotionally blackmailing taxpayers for more money, that he failied to get Clearcreek fire/ambulance activity reported on time to the newspaper?
focus

Xenia, OH

#1073 Apr 28, 2013
Public Record wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice repost. You're an idiot.
and you , public record are one foul creature...at least I don't use 7-8 aliases like you...
Public Record

United States

#1074 Apr 28, 2013
The Record Speaks wrote:
As a (T)otally (E)ngaged (A)merican
citizen and proud Voter for responsible spending, I stay informed of the activity of Clearcreek police activity and Clearcreek fire/ambulance runs as reported in the weekly edition of the Springboro Sun.
Has anybody else on this blog noticed that the Clearcreek fire/ambulance run record is "silent" in the April 25 edition of the Springboro Sun?
What's up with that, Mr. Kidd? Perhaps our fire chief has been so busy this week with activities of emotionally blackmailing taxpayers for more money, that he failied to get Clearcreek fire/ambulance activity reported on time to the newspaper?
Its like deja-vu all over again.

Seems the tea drinkers are out of arguments.
Just Vote No on May 7th

Cincinnati, OH

#1075 Apr 28, 2013
The Clearcreek township website states:

What CCFD is Doing to Help:
Clearcreek Fire District offers complimentary home visits and fall safety inspections. A Fire District representative will visit your home and look for fall risks and suggest improvements to help make your home safer. We will also help you get in touch with the appropriate people to get all of the safety recommendations taken care of. To schedule an inspection call Lt. Troy Bonfield

Thank you CCFD, but no help is needed. Neither did I need your "house call" recently when firefighters asked to come into to my home to install a new smoke alarm. Nor did I "schedule an inspection" but CC firefighters were roaming the streets asking to come inside our homes and "help us" and asking us to put yes signs
"outside" our homes. The guys were pleasant enough, even expressing appreciation for chance to make easy money "bearing gifts from the government" and campaigning a little for the fire levy at the same time. At one time, a young man spoke about how good the union has been to him, allowing him to work a couple round the clock shifts, then getting to stay home the rest of the days with his precious kids while his wife went to work. Don't see a problem with his good fortune; but can't see causing my family problems by voting to increase taxes on our home.
Our household of voters feels confident that our CCFD can "reduce" unnecessary services when the fire levy fails, without shutting a fire station and increasing response time to emergencies.
Our household of voters are comfortable with our decision to Just Vote No on May 7th and are really enjoying walking neighborhoods telling others why we are voting NO.
Just Vote No on May 7th

Cincinnati, OH

#1076 Apr 28, 2013
Stop Emotional Blackmail wrote:
@ on the front line:
(Unfortunately, due to the special and customized nature of fire and emergency medical service vehicles they are very expensive. A medic unit / ambulance costs approximately $225,000.00 each, a rescue truck costs approximately $375,000.00 each, and a fire engine costs approximately $500,000.00 each. Ladder trucks cost approximately $1,000,000.00 each.)
The full post of blogger "on the front line".....
proves an Additional Levy is not needed for the Fire District to provide needed safety services to local taxpayers; what is proven is the inefficient spending and waste of our tax dollars by the Township Government Leadership, including Township Trustee President, Mr. Ed Wade.
Those attending public meeting asked township trustee Mr. Wade WHY he was donating $270,000 to Springboro parks IF our tax dollars were needed for the fire fund. Placing priority on our public safety should be Mr. Wade's Number 1 Concern; instead Mr. Wade spent taxpayers money on Parks instead of Public Safety. Why does Mr. Wade care more about soccer fields for Springboro's kids than he cares about quick responses to emergencies at our Springboro homes?
Mr. Wade did answered correctly by saying that money collected by the fire levy could only be used for the fire district.
Mr. Wade did not answer that money in the township general fund could be transferred to the fire fund; and wasn't that the question asked?
And isn't that simply "innocent deceit?"
Good neighbors, let us not be innocently deceived and emotionally blackmailed by these pro-levy lovers "on the front line" and "in the township board room."
Citizens for responsible spending are now asking Mr. Kidd to stop this phony pity party emotionaly blackmailing taxpayers for more dollars; why isn't Mr. Kidd badgering Mr. Wade for this money?
Taxpayers have done our job and paid up enough already!
Just Vote No on May 7th and Help Stop this emotional blackmailing for more dollars than the CCFD had need of to be successful in their jobs.
Just Vote No on May 7th

Cincinnati, OH

#1077 Apr 28, 2013
The Record Speaks wrote:
As a (T)otally (E)ngaged (A)merican
citizen and proud Voter for responsible spending, I stay informed of the activity of Clearcreek police activity and Clearcreek fire/ambulance runs as reported in the weekly edition of the Springboro Sun.
Has anybody else on this blog noticed that the Clearcreek fire/ambulance run record is "silent" in the April 25 edition of the Springboro Sun?
What's up with that, Mr. Kidd? Perhaps our fire chief has been so busy this week with activities of emotionally blackmailing taxpayers for more money, that he failied to get Clearcreek
fire/ambulance activity reported on time to the newspaper?
One More Good Reason to Just Vote No on May 7th.

I noticed this silent record when I picked up the paper; and then went back to the past two weeks reports in the newspapers; there were only TWO fire structure runs; but why the silent record of the April 25 paper?

Is Mr. Kidd just Testing to see if voters really are Totally Engaged and fully informed that no new levy is needed?
The Truth

Englewood, OH

#1078 Apr 28, 2013
In 2001, the Clearcreek Fire District asked for a fire levy as the City of Springboro and Clearcreek Township were in the midst of rapid population growth. The rural town was quickly changing into a booming suburban bedroom community. With that growth, the Clearcreek Fire District was expanding from a small, volunteer fire department to the fully-staffed, 24-hour a day organization the community expected. Several promises were made during the 2001 levy campaign and those promises to the community have been kept.



Quick Facts

The Clearcreek Fire District applied for and was awarded over $1.3 million in federal grants during 2012. These funds allowed for the purchase of necessary equipment without having to spend local tax dollars.

Did You Know?

The Clearcreek Fire District employs only dual-certified firefighters and emergency medical technicians, providing the community with the most capable emergency force possible.
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What Is At Stake?

If the levy is rejected by voters it will have an impact on services. The most noticeable effects will be increased response times, decreased ability to handle emergencies, the closure of Station 23, a reduction in staffing, and the potential for increased insurance premiums for residents.

The information below is presented so that you can make an informed decision on Issue 3. The current fire levy was anticipated to last ten years, and it has now been twelve. The funding from the previous levy has been stretched as far as possible. Without approval of Issue 3, the fire district will be required to reduce expenditures through a decrease in the level of service provided to the community. This outlines the affects of the reductions necessary to balance expenses with the funding available from the 2001 levy if Issue 3 is not approved.

Increased Response Times

If the levy is not approved the fire district will work in the same configuration as it had in 2001 when the population was approximately 9,248 less than it is today. The response to your emergency will take longer. It is very difficult to predict how much response times will increase because population growth, simultaneous alarms, and the location of open stations all play a factor.

For victims of cardiac arrest, the American Heart Association recommends that paramedics arrive on scene and provide life saving defibrillation within five minutes for the best chance of survival. Irreversible tissue damage to the heart and brain occur in six minutes. If response times increase, the chance of successful resuscitation from cardiac arrest will certainly decrease.

An increased response time could also allow minor fires to grow out of control. The typical house fire doubles in size every minute as it grows. The Clearcreek Fire District's current response times allow crews to bring many fires under control during their early stages.

The Middletown Journal published an article on March 11, 2013 outlining how quality fire protection can reduce the insurance premiums that homeowners pay. According to staff writer Hannah Poturalski, "The quality of local fire departments, based on national standards, can drive up insurance rates for homeowners and area businesses".

The Insurance Services Office rates over 44,000 fire departments on their effectiveness in reducing fire losses in the community. Each department is given a rating with 1 being the best and 9 being the worst. Following the 2001 levy, the Clearcreek Fire District enhanced its Insurance Services Office (ISO) Public Protection Classification to a rating of 4. Previously, the suburban areas were rated 6 and the rural areas of the township rated 9. This translates into real savings for residents on their annual insurance premiums.

Issue 3 will help keep insurance rates down in our community which in turn will save our citizens money - say YES to 3!
The Truth

Englewood, OH

#1079 Apr 28, 2013
In 2001, voters approved a fire levy which was promised to last ten years, and it has lasted over twelve years. This will only be the second levy in 26 years.

The levy will cost the average property owner only $0.38 per day for each $100,000 of property value.

According to the Middletown Journal, fire protection plays a key role in reducing the cost of the property insurance premiums that you pay.

Over 90 of your neighbors have publicly endorsed Issue 3 because of its importance to our community.

Without the levy funding emergency response times will increase, the ability to handle emergencies will be affected, Station 23 will close, and staffing at all stations will be reduced.
focus

Xenia, OH

#1080 Apr 28, 2013
The Truth wrote:
In 2001, voters approved a fire levy which was promised to last ten years, and it has lasted over twelve years. This will only be the second levy in 26 years.
The levy will cost the average property owner only $0.38 per day for each $100,000 of property value.
According to the Middletown Journal, fire protection plays a key role in reducing the cost of the property insurance premiums that you pay.
Over 90 of your neighbors have publicly endorsed Issue 3 because of its importance to our community.
Without the levy funding emergency response times will increase, the ability to handle emergencies will be affected, Station 23 will close, and staffing at all stations will be reduced.
you sound like the school levy people years ago...that said it would cost "only a slice of pizza" a day...such bullshit...much like your crap now...
Firefighter for Truth

Springfield, OH

#1081 Apr 28, 2013
I can't continue the deception. We were sent out to the community to tell the public what our bosses want the public to believe.

I can't say more or they will find out who I am.
The Smart Choice

Mansfield, OH

#1082 Apr 28, 2013
FD man says there is a 2 mill deficit in the fire fund, I guess he hasn't been talking to the fiscal office. As of jan 1 2013 there is 12,182,892.10 of unused funds in your fund. Just ask for the document of list of funds as required by ohio rev code 5705.36. The total of all funds as of that date is 20,868,858.25. This is a public document and you can ask for a copy yourself. After you see what is really in the bank, then just maybe you will join the vote no group. If the levy fails the sky will still be blue and you will still be living off the tax payers backs, no need to spread false rumors and no need to panic. Just look for another way to fund your retirement, just like us tax payers have done for years.
The smart choice is VOTE NO ON MAY 7TH ON ISSUE 3
Fire Runs march 2013

Mansfield, OH

#1083 Apr 28, 2013
Station 21 made 64.98% of the runs, station 22 made 24.42& of the runs, station 23 made 10.60% of the runs, sure looks like we could close station 23 and lay those people off and not be missing much. We have alredy voted NO on the ne levy. Don't forget voters, this levy will never go away. Then there will be another one and another one till all Mr Kidd's friends are on the townships payroll. Sorry just telling it like it is.
The Truth

United States

#1084 Apr 28, 2013
Folks, the opposition is getting desperate.

They realize the fine citizens of Springboro are too wise to fall for their dirty tactics of deceit, intimidation, and outright lies.

Learn the truth - visit yesto3.com .

Come May 7th join my family in voting YES on Issue 3!

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