Ambulance, fire levy sparks debate in Ohio

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CLEARCREEK TWP., Ohio - Trustees in Clearcreek Twp. - third among 11 Warren County townships in net property taxes - disagree about asking voters for an additional 4.5-mill levy to fund fire protection and ambulance services.

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Since: Aug 12

United States

#21 Feb 28, 2013
Stay Focused wrote:
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Neither do I care. What's in a name?
Both republicans and democrats locally are known to have voting loyalty to the self-interest party of social justice for the union party.
Both republicans and democrats (who do have civic pride and expertise to lead in a local government position) are cautious about sticking their necks out to run for public office; because as is proven in Springboro, not only will the candidates be targeted with mean-spirited personal attacks on character by self-interest union activists; but these union activists will go after the candidates family members.
Union members financially support big liberal Democrat political candidates, no matter if R or D is on their political ID.
Taxpayers cannot get a break no matter which party rules; because both parties are more interested in controlling status quo government and getting re-elected, rather than working in the best interest of the good old American common joe.
We still need a few good strong-willed men and women to help us get candidates on the ballot in November. Change happens gradually, but we are encouraged that it can happen!
If you are a business owner and you raise your voice or question the Township old boys, you risk being visited by the sign police, zoning inspectors or worse. In the past few weeks I have learned a great deal about the history and "politics" of Clearcreek Township and Springboro. Now that I know more, Cathy Anspach has my admiration and respect for daring to run and winning. Hopefully ethical people will step up and run in November and vote NO on the Fire Levy intentionally put on in May instead of November.

Since: Dec 09

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#22 Feb 28, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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If you are a business owner and you raise your voice or question the Township old boys, you risk being visited by the sign police, zoning inspectors or worse. In the past few weeks I have learned a great deal about the history and "politics" of Clearcreek Township and Springboro. Now that I know more, Cathy Anspach has my admiration and respect for daring to run and winning. Hopefully ethical people will step up and run in November and vote NO on the Fire Levy intentionally put on in May instead of November.
I agree with you.
The Right Stuff

Piqua, OH

#23 Mar 1, 2013
help wrote:
This community needs someone strong to run against Wade for trustee this fall. I, for one, am sick and tired of the same corrupt politicans running this community like it was their own personal playground.
Now is the time for that strong someone in our community to step up and stick out your neck and lead this community in our fight against the Wade/Gabbard levy, coming up in May!
The man/woman with the right stuff to get the job done as leader of the pack, saying No New Taxes to Wade/Gabbard greediness in May, has every advantage of running against Wade (and winning) in November.
We know that everyone does not have what it takes to "take on" these big financially secure union politicians; but there's just NO WAY that no one in our community is qualified! So come on now,
you good citizens of the Right Stuff! We need you to help us and we need your help now in leading us to say NO WAY IN MAY to our bedroom community union masters Wade/Gabbard.
The Right Stuff

Piqua, OH

#24 Mar 1, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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If you are a business owner and you raise your voice or question the Township old boys, you risk being visited by the sign police, zoning inspectors or worse. In the past few weeks I have learned a great deal about the history and "politics" of Clearcreek Township and Springboro. Now that I know more, Cathy Anspach has my admiration and respect for daring to run and winning. Hopefully ethical people will step up and run in November and vote NO on the Fire Levy intentionally put on in May instead of November.
Sad but true, Out of Money...

This is the challenge of the Big Scary vs the Right Stuff.
And the fear of many voters that their business and their family will suffer financial harm IS all the more reason to shine brighter lights on the truth of this heavy oppression forced upon citizens by the union masters politicians.
union oppression in oui
Newcomer

Piqua, OH

#25 Mar 2, 2013
Not Tall wrote:
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Sadly I haven't found many Township taxpayers who have a clue about what the township trustees have done or are doing.
During 2011 election campaign for township trustee, many taxpayers out and about in neighborhoods met newcomers who had never heard the names of township government leaders; and some expressed their thoughts that the township was governed by the Springboro city government and that the clearcreek government center was where
local police parked their cars.

The township folks appear a bit backward in the ways of "in your face" agressive politics of today; appears everyone tends to ignore concerned neighbors ringing the doorbell with a clip board and a friendly greeting such as: Are you registered to vote?

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#26 Mar 2, 2013
Newcomer wrote:
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During 2011 election campaign for township trustee, many taxpayers out and about in neighborhoods met newcomers who had never heard the names of township government leaders; and some expressed their thoughts that the township was governed by the Springboro city government and that the clearcreek government center was where
local police parked their cars.
The township folks appear a bit backward in the ways of "in your face" agressive politics of today; appears everyone tends to ignore concerned neighbors ringing the doorbell with a clip board and a friendly greeting such as: Are you registered to vote?
Warned the folks of this upcoming levy when I ran for township...I got clobbered. Even told the folks the connection between Wade and Gabbard. Well, I tried... And I still get slammed to this day.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#27 Mar 2, 2013
Warned the folks of this upcoming levy when I ran for township trustee, and also warned the folks of the connection bewteen Wade and Gabbard. If I had been elected , this levy would not have been on any ballot, with the help of Cathy Anspach.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#28 Mar 3, 2013
The Right Stuff wrote:
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Now is the time for that strong someone in our community to step up and stick out your neck and lead this community in our fight against the Wade/Gabbard levy, coming up in May!
The man/woman with the right stuff to get the job done as leader of the pack, saying No New Taxes to Wade/Gabbard greediness in May, has every advantage of running against Wade (and winning) in November.
We know that everyone does not have what it takes to "take on" these big financially secure union politicians; but there's just NO WAY that no one in our community is qualified! So come on now,
you good citizens of the Right Stuff! We need you to help us and we need your help now in leading us to say NO WAY IN MAY to our bedroom community union masters Wade/Gabbard.
One strong person is needed with everyone putting their support behind him/her. Gabbard only got 38.79% of the vote, the remaining 61% was divided among the four other people running. Those four all seem to have had the right ideas to stop wasteful spending and corrupt nonsense. One strong candidate could beat Wade with a united message. Re-elect Anspach and the vote would turn 2 against Gabbard's vote on the board.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#29 Mar 3, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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One strong person is needed with everyone putting their support behind him/her. Gabbard only got 38.79% of the vote, the remaining 61% was divided among the four other people running. Those four all seem to have had the right ideas to stop wasteful spending and corrupt nonsense. One strong candidate could beat Wade with a united message. Re-elect Anspach and the vote would turn 2 against Gabbard's vote on the board.
I recommend Jack Christain, good man, not afraid of the present establishment in the township.
Taxpayer

Piqua, OH

#30 Mar 3, 2013
Not Tall wrote:
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Sadly I haven't found many Township taxpayers who have a clue about what the township trustees have done or are doing.
Guess I must be among those who not only has a clue, but am doing all that I can do to educate others to vote no on the May fire levy; and join in support of the right candidate to run a winning election campaign against union-incumbent Wade.
Those of us sharing the same concerns need some type of "meet and greet" opportunity and we need to start pulling together right now; but I don't have a clue as to the "how."

I think this is the problem in these township politics where the trustees are supposed to be bi-partisan elected officials; it doesn't offer opportunity for neither political party chairman to help concerned citizens in seeking out qualified candidates and getting to know their plans of service to residents; so that's why we have so many candidates running for one position; with such lopsided results. Let's face it, after almost 40 years, Ed Wade has no concept of "serving the public" but considers "the public" to be his "servants." (same thing with the Springboro mayor--why during all these years haven't taxpayers expected more from an elected official than "self-interest union business as usual?")

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#31 Mar 3, 2013
Taxpayer wrote:
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Guess I must be among those who not only has a clue, but am doing all that I can do to educate others to vote no on the May fire levy; and join in support of the right candidate to run a winning election campaign against union-incumbent Wade.
Those of us sharing the same concerns need some type of "meet and greet" opportunity and we need to start pulling together right now; but I don't have a clue as to the "how."
I think this is the problem in these township politics where the trustees are supposed to be bi-partisan elected officials; it doesn't offer opportunity for neither political party chairman to help concerned citizens in seeking out qualified candidates and getting to know their plans of service to residents; so that's why we have so many candidates running for one position; with such lopsided results. Let's face it, after almost 40 years, Ed Wade has no concept of "serving the public" but considers "the public" to be his "servants." (same thing with the Springboro mayor--why during all these years haven't taxpayers expected more from an elected official than "self-interest union business as usual?")
excellent point...Let's get the pressure to a boiling point by this premature levy date.
Question Everything

Piqua, OH

#32 Mar 3, 2013
believe it wrote:
With the exception of Cathy Anspach, the rest of the township leadership are nothing short of crooks, and that includes Dennis Pickett.
Don't know Cathy Anspach, but I do know that Cathy Anspach should have voted NO on Gabbard's motion to approve township employees' pay increases presented by Mr. Gabbard at the December 13, 2012 meeting, according to minutes posted on township website. It doesn't make sense that Ms. Anspach would vote yes on these pay increases, going along with Gabbard/Wade's plan to demand a levy in May to pay for employees salary increases.

Township administrators do not even offer taxpaying citizens the transparency of a balanced BUDGET posted on the government website; rumor is that the township trustees just "wing it, approving everthing presented and then Picket just hands out a quarterly list of stuff paid for;

...here are just a few INCREASED annual salaries of these "public servants" that taxpayers support; and all we taxpayers get "served" is notice of MORE money demanded for "OUR" good old boy government and LESS money for you and your family.
After all, good old boy Wade wisely dispenses his knowledge that he thinks the government can make better use of our money than we hardworking taxpayers. JUST SAY NO IN MAY! NO MORE BIG GOVERNMENT SPENDING!

-Ronald Wilhelm (Pickett's Assistant)$89,020.61 annual salary PLUS $126.92 per pay period car allowance
-Jeffrey Palmer $78,054.08 annual salary plus $69.23 per pay period car allowance
-Timothy Simpson $84,525.00 annual salary
-Christopher Vecchi $84,525.00 annual salary
-John D. Terrill $88,218.96 annual salary
-Robert L. Kidd $91,661.76 annual salary

(wonder what the cost is for "Plus Benefits")?
Question Everything

Piqua, OH

#33 Mar 3, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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I would be willing to go door to door for a honestly conservative candidate and help pay for mailers. Is there any hope the Warren County Republican office would help or has Wade got that pocket too?
Good question, but there is little hope the Warren County Republican office will help voters who stand firmly on principles of individual responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes.
In 2011 Warren County Repubican voters promoting reforms to our old outdated collective bargaining state laws were shunned by Warren County Republican office workers refusing to "stick their necks out" so that reform-minded Warren County Republicans turned to neighboring county republican offices for support; and what do you know?....common sense voters prevailed in Warren County, without the help of the powers that be.
Question Everything

Piqua, OH

#34 Mar 3, 2013
yeppers wrote:
doesn't much matter...what matters is a 4.5 mill levy voted and passed by wade and his newbie buddy that sold property to the township, and then got elected to township trustee. Talk about conflict of interest ! The township is awash in cash, buying property wherever, and then trying to stick it to the public for unneeded services.
Does anybody know during which year the township purchased the Gabbard property? Has anybody out there found in the township meeting minutes, the vote on buying Gabbard's property? Did the township purchase Jason Gabbard's property; or was it Jason Gabbard's dad from whom the property was purchased?

Since: Aug 12

Marysville, OH

#35 Mar 4, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Does anybody know during which year the township purchased the Gabbard property? Has anybody out there found in the township meeting minutes, the vote on buying Gabbard's property? Did the township purchase Jason Gabbard's property; or was it Jason Gabbard's dad from whom the property was purchased?
June of 2011 1.5 million from Jason. Jason Gabbard and his wife continue to live in the farm house on the property. I have never found a vote in the minutes on buying the property and Patrica Allen Park is still being developed.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/loca...

Since: Aug 12

Marysville, OH

#36 Mar 4, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Good question, but there is little hope the Warren County Republican office will help voters who stand firmly on principles of individual responsibility, smaller government and lower taxes.
In 2011 Warren County Repubican voters promoting reforms to our old outdated collective bargaining state laws were shunned by Warren County Republican office workers refusing to "stick their necks out" so that reform-minded Warren County Republicans turned to neighboring county republican offices for support; and what do you know?....common sense voters prevailed in Warren County, without the help of the powers that be.
The union money will back whoever gives them the most for their money.
One person has to run against Wade so the vote isn't divided, Cathy Anspach run as a Democrat and amazingly beat McDonald, maybe the County Democratic Office would help.
Question Everything

Piqua, OH

#37 Mar 4, 2013
Out of Money wrote:
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June of 2011 1.5 million from Jason. Jason Gabbard and his wife continue to live in the farm house on the property. I have never found a vote in the minutes on buying the property and Patrica Allen Park is still being developed.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/loca...
Sounds like business as usual for good old boy "double dipping" Gabbard; got both politically corrupt hands in taxpayers pockets, as both SYB officer and township unworthy trustee.
focus

Dayton, OH

#38 Mar 5, 2013
Question Everything wrote:
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Sounds like business as usual for good old boy "double dipping" Gabbard; got both politically corrupt hands in taxpayers pockets, as both SYB officer and township unworthy trustee.
speaking of double dipping, Picket is guilty of that was well, retiring, then within months being "persuaded" to return to office by Wade after his offical retirement date. How do these crooks get away with this ??
NotTall

United States

#39 Mar 5, 2013
focus wrote:
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speaking of double dipping, Picket is guilty of that was well, retiring, then within months being "persuaded" to return to office by Wade after his offical retirement date. How do these crooks get away with this ??
Are the taxpayers also still paying for Dr McDonald's health insurance?

Since: Mar 13

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#40 Mar 5, 2013
I am blown away by the comments being posted here. I am a citizen of clearcreek township and I will be voting YES on the fire levy in May. Are you really going to vote against your own public safety because of conspiracy theories? The FD needs this levy because their levys aren't permanent, thaey expire over time. i.e their funding has decreased over the years, yet the population they protect has doubled since 2001. FYI - we haven't been asked for a levy since 2001 by the FD. The Fire Department has been very fiscally conservative and has managed to protect a growing population, lower our homeowners insurance rates by lowering their ISO rating, and lower response times. They are not trying to grow, or build a new station, or hire new people, or add trucks this levy is just about maintaining the current EXCELLENT level of service they provide us.

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