'No, no, no, no' to trash fee - Senti...

'No, no, no, no' to trash fee - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 77 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from May 21, 2008, titled 'No, no, no, no' to trash fee - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

About 85 residents assembled outside City Hall Tuesday night before a City Council meeting to show their opposition to a proposed "pay-as-you-throw" trash program city officials are considering.

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JNC

Brookline, MA

#1 May 21, 2008
I am against a trash removal fee. I live in a condo, pay real estate taxes like every other real estate owner in this city, however, I do not have city trash pick-up. My condo fees pay for my trash removal. I pay $75 yearly to have my sprinkler system inspected (which takes all of 15 minutes.) Water and sewer rates are on the rise, real estate taxes are on the rise, as well as energy costs with dear old Unitil. This city must learn to live within its budget, and if Lisa Wong (whom I was proud to vote for)wants to increase the city's coffers, she needs to pursue a prop 2 1/2 overrride, not a back door tax increase. This city did not become fiscally unsound in one year, and will not become fiscally sound in one year.
J_in _Ward _1

Sharon, MA

#2 May 21, 2008
I would be willing to join a class action lawsuit against a trash fee.
Mo Tremblay

Fitchburg, MA

#3 May 21, 2008
Remember that today's dollar is worth less and less every day ( check out the business news) and the cost of living increases every day (check out the groceries, oil and gas,etc.). We are all members of the Fitchburg Family. I'm willing to pay the $100 but I'm scoffing at paying for the bags as I already use bags at a far less cost.
Gomer Pile

Yonkers, NY

#4 May 21, 2008
Fitchburg people make me laugh. A no to the trash program means cuts to other more important services like PD and FD. Or maybe the mayor will just close the library and take the 350K so the cuts are not so bad.

I'm gonna put on my ESP cap and predict that you people bitching about the trash program will be equally bitchy when the cuts in police, fire, and library begin to affect you.

You are the same people that think when a car dealer offers you $2000 cash for your crappy POS Ford Escort with 465,000 miles that he's doing you a favor. Nothing is free in this world.

Bottom line is that 100 million +/- bucks is available to spend...you gotta squeeze it all in somehow. The mayor has cut up the city's credit cards!
necessary evil

Millbury, MA

#5 May 21, 2008
I live in Leominster so I have no stake in the debate although I would be in full support of a pay as you throw program if I lived in Fitchburg if it meant keeping some other services in place such as police officers and fire fighters. I agree there are othere areas that services should be cut but the fact is without the money being cut somewhere or some new fees/taxes, you citizens in Fitchburg are going to have a lot more problems than the small additional cost of trash removal. Something has to be done. How about going to city hall and picking up a copy of the mayor's budget and coming up with your own ideas of where to make cuts. How about just do more recycling so that you have less trash per week to put out. Fitchburg is in tough financial shape and you people need to realize that something has to be done...
Mo Tremblay

Fitchburg, MA

#6 May 21, 2008
The biggest problem facing us is that the United States is now fiscally unsound. We spent it all in Irac.
J_in _Ward _1

Sharon, MA

#7 May 21, 2008
Mo, I see your point, but I think the other way (per bag instead of flat fee) would be the lesser evil because otherwise people from other towns can continue to dump their trash here on trash day. If you need a sticker, that helps deter out-of-town dumping.
Sydney

Middletown, CT

#8 May 21, 2008
I don't mind the recycling part of this. I just don't like the fee. I think that if there was an incentive for residents to recycle (instead of being made to)it would be better received. I would even be ok with trash pick up every other week and recycle every week with a larger bin provided by waste management. (Leominster is thinking about doing something similar)No matter what happens we are going to lose something. Either more money from our pocketbooks or more public service. I don't see how either option is a total win.
Delmar

Yonkers, NY

#9 May 21, 2008
Mo Tremblay wrote:
The biggest problem facing us is that the United States is now fiscally unsound. We spent it all in Irac.
The real problem in this country is education....its Iraq....not Irac. If the population could spell then maybe they could learn to balance a checkbook.
Mo Ron - Maurice Ronaldo

Rockville, MD

#10 May 21, 2008
If you pay, you pay... one way or the other.

However, you know how the other taxes you pay (city, state) are deductions on your federal tax form? Well, if you spend $400/year for private trash removal, you lose ~$100 deduction!

Have it funded in the city budget, pay another $400/year (you will either way!) and get a $100 tax break...
J_in _Ward _1

Sharon, MA

#11 May 21, 2008
Delmar wrote:
<quoted text>
The real problem in this country is education....its Iraq....not Irac. If the population could spell then maybe they could learn to balance a checkbook.
Delmar, yes education could improve in the U.S. of A. Your post should read,

"it's Iraq"

instead you wrote "its Iraq"
Fitchburg resident

Boynton Beach, FL

#12 May 21, 2008
J_in _Ward _1 wrote:
Mo, I see your point, but I think the other way (per bag instead of flat fee) would be the lesser evil because otherwise people from other towns can continue to dump their trash here on trash day. If you need a sticker, that helps deter out-of-town dumping.
I agree. I think buying the bag is okay but not the flat fee part. You can have 10 people living in a home or you could have 1 person living in a home. Why should the house with 10 pay the same as the house with 1 person?! I live in a neighborhood where there are multi and single family homes. I already see the trash piling up at the multi-family homes. The landlords who don't live around here are not going to inforce the tenants or is Fitchburg going to if they do not have the man power to do so....I am already fedup with the way Fitchburg has been looking and this is not going to help matters.
Delmar

Yonkers, NY

#13 May 21, 2008
J_in _Ward _1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Delmar, yes education could improve in the U.S. of A. Your post should read,
"it's Iraq"
instead you wrote "its Iraq"
agreed...
haaa

Sunnyvale, CA

#14 May 21, 2008
its funny to read anything that mentions that people are against this. The city needs to be run as a business. If businesses are not making money cuts need to be made, or the company needs to charge more for their products. The city is just like everyone else right now and their costs are more than they used to be, thus they need to raise more money to make the city run. Be it through a trash collection, going door to door asking for $10 from each person, so that their are adequate fire and police officers on duty, then all the power to Lisa Wong.

The people complaining are the same people that are living in the 1950's and think that they deserve a hand out, or are the same people that are already getting a hand out, and live in one of the housing projects around the community.
Daisy

Boston, MA

#16 May 21, 2008
I agree with Gomer and Necessary. Like everything else, things go up. If you want to help the Mayor, then pick up a copy of the budget and offer alternatives but do not force a hand to cut FD and PD. The city will only get worse if that happens. Recycling should definitely be considered as an alternative. If you recycled more you would have less trash. The incentive there is you wont have to pay for as many trash bags. Try to be proactive instead of reactive on this subject by threatening lawsuits, etc.
MrsSchrute

Nonantum, MA

#17 May 21, 2008
Gomer Pile wrote:
Nothing is free in this world.
Exactly...which is why we already pay TAXES for trash pickup.

A cut in the PD wouldn't affect many of us because we already see crime happening right outside our door with the number of police we have. Losing one or two is not going to make it much worse.

I certainly don't want to pay for trash pickup but I'm more concerned that there are ridiculous amounts of people in this city living off of a fixed income - whether it be social security or welfare. They are NOT going to be able to afford to pay these fees and they won't do it. Trash will either pile up in yards (as it does already!!) or there will be illegal dumping.

The money the city makes on these fees will just go to pay for people to pick up this 'loose trash'.

There are cuts that can be made - there is no need to impose fees on an already struggling population. People can barely afford gas or food.
J_in _Ward _1

Sharon, MA

#18 May 21, 2008
haaa wrote:
The city needs to be run as a business. If businesses are not making money cuts need to be made, or the company needs to charge more for their products.
Let's look at this business analogy. If you keep charging more and more for fewer and fewer services, your customers will go elsewhere. You'll price yourself right out of the market. There is a limit to what the people of Fitchburg can take.
Landlord

United States

#19 May 21, 2008
1.) Flat fee of $100. The more I read on this the more I find this in violation of both Prop 2 1/2 as well as M.G.L. Ch 41, Section 69B - which prohibits "water fees" like a levy on our water bill from being used for anything beyond paying for providing water resources or supporting that service.

2.) Charging a fee for bags. This seems to be becoming the norm in other towns however none of these towns has seen the issues as we have in Fitchburg with dumping. This will become a major issue if the fee program is implemented.

3.) Prop 2 1/2 - Sorry, but inflation is over 3% now and will likely spike due to core expenses in food and fuel. This would be the right way to go, but voters are fairly vocal about this not being an option.

Likely outcome - I forsee #2 - a fee w/lots of trash filling the streets. A shame for this once great city...
Paul from Leominster

Boston, MA

#20 May 21, 2008
J_in_ward_1: "otherwise people from other towns can continue to dump their trash here on trash day. If you need a sticker, that helps deter out-of-town dumping." I would assume that people from other towns ARE DUMPING THEIR TRASH IN FITCHBURG WHEN NO ONE IS LOOKING, so will it really make any difference that there is no sticker? The only difference is that if someone leaves trash in front of YOUR house without a sticker it will not be picked up, and YOU will have to decide what to do with it. Are YOU willing to put stickers on the other guys trash so it will be picked up the following week, and if you are not willing, what will you do with the other guys trash? What are your options? At least if there is no sticker required and somebody does dump trash illegally it will be picked up from in front of your house and EVERYBODY shares the burden equally vs. select individuals having to pay for the illegal dumper. Not that easy of a choice to make.
Rae Jean

AOL

#21 May 21, 2008
Gomer Pile wrote:
Fitchburg people make me laugh. A no to the trash program means cuts to other more important services like PD and FD. Or maybe the mayor will just close the library and take the 350K so the cuts are not so bad.
I'm gonna put on my ESP cap and predict that you people bitching about the trash program will be equally bitchy when the cuts in police, fire, and library begin to affect you.
You are the same people that think when a car dealer offers you $2000 cash for your crappy POS Ford Escort with 465,000 miles that he's doing you a favor. Nothing is free in this world.
Bottom line is that 100 million +/- bucks is available to spend...you gotta squeeze it all in somehow. The mayor has cut up the city's credit cards!
Gomer, I couldn't agree with you more.
I am for the fee and the trash pick up bags. Come on Fitchburg, get real. If your a homeowner it is going to cost you $2.00 per week! Are you kidding me? Yes you will have to pay for the bags, so what?. All the residents who rent/lease or whatever will also.

As for you councilors on the fence, wake up. The under 100 or so protesters who showed up for the rally are the proponents. That is not unusual. What about the rest of us?
I stayed home to show support of the fees. Do I not count?
Stop worrying about next November. You will do the right thing for the city and the bottom line will be a cleaner Fitchburg, not a trashed up city. Do it!

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