Really

Leominster, MA

#21 Aug 29, 2013
Which civil wars do we get in the middle of? Do we want to punish or take away the weapons? What's the real mission and who helps? Europe is united that something needs to be done. Now, they're trying to make the argument that these chemicals weapons can be directed against us? Really?
Just Facts

United States

#22 Aug 29, 2013
I agree that we need to get the facts before doing anything, but, since when should doing the right thing have anything to do with them having anything that we need?

If their people got gassed, that cannot be allowed.
American

Gardner, MA

#23 Aug 29, 2013
They BELIEVE that the Syrian government used some "type" of substance but they are not sure 100% that is was the government. It may have been the Syrian opposition.

It is unacceptable for the government use chemical weapons on their own people and we would have to intervene.

If it was the opposition then it would be up to the Syrian government to intervene.

Russia and China stated they would veto the intervention which was to be expected as they are allies of Syria.

One thing that needs to be done is to have these countries and others chose which countries they want to be allies with. They shouldn't be allies with us and our enemies. They need to stop "riding the fence".

We cannot trust Russia again and we don't need them anyways. We purchase a majority of goods from China but maybe we need to take the hit for a time and sanction them from us.
Opinion

Leominster, MA

#24 Aug 29, 2013
I think Obummer has sunk us on this one. We already have Aircraft carriers the size of Rhode Island and Destroyers within striking distance of Syria. The people of Syria live in huts made from mud and only have rocks and sticks as weapons. I can't fault China for saying 'Hey this isn't a fair fight and it's none of your business anyways.'.
Just Facts

United States

#25 Aug 29, 2013
Apparantly someone has a little bit more than rocks and sticks to fight with...mass extermination of people by any government cannot be justified by any reasonable explanation...it cannot be allowed.
Somehow

Gardner, MA

#26 Aug 29, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
Apparantly someone has a little bit more than rocks and sticks to fight with...mass extermination of people by any government cannot be justified by any reasonable explanation...it cannot be allowed.
Others would like to blame Obama for this, seems, they want to blame him for anything that happens anywhere, obviously, bogus blame gamers.

You're stating it cannot be allowed and we should do something, what exactly would you propose we do?
Really

Leominster, MA

#27 Aug 29, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
Apparantly someone has a little bit more than rocks and sticks to fight with...mass extermination of people by any government cannot be justified by any reasonable explanation...it cannot be allowed.
I don't agree with you on much, but this one I do. Extermination by chemical weapons must be stopped in its tracks and we are the best positioned and equipped to do it. Quick drone strike of their military once the verification is done and out. Period. No boots on the ground. We don't want to take any of the three sides in this one.
Solution

Leominster, MA

#28 Aug 29, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with you on much, but this one I do. Extermination by chemical weapons must be stopped in its tracks and we are the best positioned and equipped to do it. Quick drone strike of their military once the verification is done and out. Period. No boots on the ground. We don't want to take any of the three sides in this one.
So in your opinion killing people in a foreign country with American bombs is acceptable but them killing each other with chemicals is a no no! That's interesting.
American

Gardner, MA

#29 Aug 29, 2013
Solution wrote:
<quoted text>So in your opinion killing people in a foreign country with American bombs is acceptable but them killing each other with chemicals is a no no! That's interesting.
If anyone gets to travel to other countries the majority of these people state that America is trying to control all the money in the world.

You have to look at their views on us. We tell them we will protect them and they all ask "who will protect us from the Americans?"

Most countries now believe we are vigilantes and are unjustified on intervening.

We are not looked upon as the "good guys" anymore. It is too bad because these countries have no clue but then again they are not worried about retaliation from extremists groups because they don't get involved and would rather sit back watch governments such as Syria kill their own people.

We need to stop giving foreign aid to these countries. This would be like Fitchburg giving money to Leominster because they say they need it.
Wow

Gardner, MA

#30 Aug 29, 2013
"We need to stop giving foreign aid to these countries. This would be like Fitchburg giving money to Leominster because they say they need it."

yeah, it would be just like that! How about, it's nothing at all even close to that kind of simplistic thinking?
Somehow

Gardner, MA

#31 Aug 29, 2013
"You're stating it cannot be allowed and we should do something, what exactly would you propose we do?"

Waiting? You stated it, back it up with with an actual something. Standing and demanding something be done is just great, anyone can do that on anything, tell us, what you think should be done?
Really

Leominster, MA

#32 Aug 29, 2013
Solution wrote:
<quoted text>So in your opinion killing people in a foreign country with American bombs is acceptable but them killing each other with chemicals is a no no! That's interesting.
Read it again.
Solution

Leominster, MA

#33 Aug 29, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
Read it again.
OK I read it again. Your solution is to bomb another country with drones. Like that isn't going to release toxic gas into the air? Here's a little experiment you can do at home. Take a can of bug spray and pretend you're a drone and puncture it with a screwdriver. Oops now you have chemicals spraying all over the place.
Just Facts

United States

#34 Aug 30, 2013
Really wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with you on much, but this one I do. Extermination by chemical weapons must be stopped in its tracks and we are the best positioned and equipped to do it. Quick drone strike of their military once the verification is done and out. Period. No boots on the ground. We don't want to take any of the three sides in this one.
Agreed...

Target only the command and control infrastructure...make it disappear and be gone.
Just Facts

United States

#35 Aug 30, 2013
Somehow wrote:
"You're stating it cannot be allowed and we should do something, what exactly would you propose we do?"
Waiting? You stated it, back it up with with an actual something. Standing and demanding something be done is just great, anyone can do that on anything, tell us, what you think should be done?
Hi Somehow,

I agree with the assessment that we should target the "command and control" functions only. Strike the infrastructure that provides the commands to carry out the mass murdering, then we leave it to them to dismantle and deal with the actual chemical devices...we would not want to strike the devices that are chemical...too much chance for causing additional deaths.
Somehow

Gardner, MA

#36 Aug 30, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi Somehow,
I agree with the assessment that we should target the "command and control" functions only. Strike the infrastructure that provides the commands to carry out the mass murdering, then we leave it to them to dismantle and deal with the actual chemical devices...we would not want to strike the devices that are chemical...too much chance for causing additional deaths.
Thanks, was wondering what you would propose, you would propose what someone else proposed.
I'm not sure any "Command and Control" facility isn't imbedded with the stockpile of chemical weapons. Perhaps our intelligence does know.
Just Facts

United States

#37 Aug 30, 2013
Hi Somehow,

It isn't often that I agree with the decisions coming out of the Obama Administration, but I am in agreement on this...if governments are allowed to do this type of thing, it would happen more and more often from some of the governments that control their people with force.

I would suspect that they wouldn't put their command and control locations where the chemicals are for fear that they would be destroyed by those very chemicals in the event of an attack, but I am in hopes that our intelligence gathering folks can do a better job this time, as compared to Iraq.
Really

Leominster, MA

#38 Aug 30, 2013
Well, the more I hear. the more I'm convinced we can do little to disarm and dissuade with these surgical strikes.
Just Facts

United States

#39 Aug 30, 2013
Hi Really,

I would say that there are no easy answers and we shouldn't have to get involved in the actions of others like this, but what is the alternative?

If we do nothing, groups of people willing to kill innocent people in mass will continue to use that power without fear of consequence. By our actions, we at least send a message that there will be consequences.

It is no different than the use of negative consequences being administered whenever anyone does something that isn't right. Most people will judge inaction as confirmation that others think that action is OK...it's not OK and cannot be allowed without an appropriate response.
Really

Leominster, MA

#40 Aug 30, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
Hi Really,
I would say that there are no easy answers and we shouldn't have to get involved in the actions of others like this, but what is the alternative?
If we do nothing, groups of people willing to kill innocent people in mass will continue to use that power without fear of consequence. By our actions, we at least send a message that there will be consequences.
It is no different than the use of negative consequences being administered whenever anyone does something that isn't right. Most people will judge inaction as confirmation that others think that action is OK...it's not OK and cannot be allowed without an appropriate response.
No, I agree. The line that couldn't be crossed has been crossed. These thugs are doing it to show that they can. It always comes down to us saving the world at the expense of us saving us and were getting weary. The stock market revolts because we're stretched too thin. Our soldiers are exhausted. Our roads and bridges are crumbling and we are expected to police the world because we have the best military. Our action will not overturn the regime and will only inflame, but may deter Iran from getting any ideas. This is a tough one.

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