Reader: It's time for Americans to de...

Reader: It's time for Americans to defend their country

There are 183 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Nov 13, 2007, titled Reader: It's time for Americans to defend their country. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

It never fails to amaze me how arrogant our Congress has become and how out of touch with their constituents they really are.

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Hawk

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Nov 13, 2007
let em come Karen, our Freedom, Liberty and democracy is what used to attract them. They don't know yet, it's been taken over and doesn't exist anymore.

FCC, More consolidation, you're not being lied to enough already.

Free speech zones, thought that was the whole country, no?

DoJ, there is a laugh, the new AG doesn't know if Simulated drowning is torture! He also defends Cheney's "the Commander in Chief can ignore any law he wants" power grab.

Habeas Corpus, GONE!
Privacy, GONE!
Surplus $$$, huge deficit!

Just exactly what are your concerns for America Karen? Those brown people perhaps! It's not the first time you've covered your racism in this paper.

BDN

Bolton, MA

#2 Nov 13, 2007
Hey Hawk, you gonna vote for Hillary or Obama?
Eirikur

Harrisburg, PA

#3 Nov 13, 2007
Hey Hawk...give me ONE example of a civil liberty right that you've lost...not someone else, not a scenario..an actual time,place,item...that affected you and only you.
Red Balloon

Amherst, NH

#4 Nov 13, 2007
I can.

Up here in Maine, they've interpreted certain provisions of the Patriot Act to prohibit remunerated yoni-manipulation. We tantric masseurs who cater to an exclusively male clientele are being driven to the brink of bankruptcy.

Hows that? Don't like it YOU CAN GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN.
Eirikur

Harrisburg, PA

#5 Nov 13, 2007
Number one...you're not Hawk.
Number two...tantric massage and the Patriot Act?? What can you expect from Maine?! They give birth control to 11 year olds. My advice, move.
Red Balloon

Amherst, NH

#6 Nov 13, 2007
Eirikur wrote:
Number one...you're not Hawk.
Number two...tantric massage and the Patriot Act?? What can you expect from Maine?! They give birth control to 11 year olds. My advice, move.
I'd like to move, but I'm running out of careers and states.

Anyway, I just thought of another example:

Once, whilst plying my trade at one of the truck-stops between Portland and Bangor, my client (a rather burly, hirsute gentlemen named "Rocky") and I were accosted by several undercover DHS agents (thanks, Ashcroft & Mylott!) just as I was about to go "shakti" on my client's lingam. Surprised, I rose suddenly, but slipped on some sacred oil that I'd spilled on floor of his cab, and hit him right in the prosthesis.

Imagine my embarrassment. So stick that and the horse you rode IN ON AND SMOKE IT!
HerrBGone

Leominster, MA

#7 Nov 13, 2007
Sorry, I'm not Hawk either, but Hilary or Obama? One's a Socialist, the other studied at a Madrasah. Which would you prefer?
Native

Fort Myers, FL

#8 Nov 14, 2007
Obama is Al Sharpton in a wolf's suit. Google -obama and sharpton- or -obama and jackson and it becomes clear they have a racial agenda. Hillary is just like bill with the same plumbing only in drag.
Native Amer German Irish

Vandalia, OH

#9 Nov 14, 2007
HerrBGone wrote:
Sorry, I'm not Hawk either, but Hilary or Obama? One's a Socialist, the other studied at a Madrasah. Which would you prefer?
Neither (and I'm a lifelong Democrat!)lol.
Hawk

Brooklyn, NY

#10 Nov 14, 2007
BDN wrote:
Hey Hawk, you gonna vote for Hillary or Obama?
Neither
Eirikur wrote:
Hey Hawk...give me ONE example of a civil liberty right that you've lost...not someone else, not a scenario..an actual time,place,item...that affected you and only you.
Already did, Habeas Corpus, everyone lost it inclusing you!
Privacy, again everyone has lost this. ALL you phone and E-Mail is captured.
I have also had to demonstrate behind barriers where this was unheard of 10 years ago!
And this little qualifyer "that affected you and only you" is ridiculous, Liberty belongs to all or none, where did you go to school, do you even have a clue about the basis for this country being the Constitution?
And I already see your response to ANYTHING posed to you, EXCUSES!
Go pound the sand you ignorant fool.
IMMIGRATION was the topic!

“Baise toi.”

Since: Nov 07

Amherst, NH

#12 Nov 14, 2007
In the interest of getting back on subject:
Hawk wrote:
let em come Karen, our Freedom, Liberty and democracy is what used to attract them. They don't know yet, it's been taken over and doesn't exist anymore.
Not really. They were attracted by economic opportunity, largely, same as today.

My grand-father WALKED from New Brunswick to Lewiston, Maine. He needed a job. By the time he died in Fitchburg, he owned a house and a car. He never bothered to become naturalised, so he couldn't vote. Wasn't an issue for him, your flowery high-minded prose notwithstanding.
Daisy

Boston, MA

#13 Nov 14, 2007
Too bad it all comes down to name calling. The initial issue was immigration. Come into this country legal and I have no problem with that.
Hawk

Brooklyn, NY

#14 Nov 14, 2007
"alien enemy combatant."

Wrong! Military Commisions act says ENEMY COMBATANT and that can be declared by GWB for ANY CITIZEN right here in the USA.

"Email has always been spooled and recorded, and the phone company has always kept track of your calls."

Wrong again, ATT employee who was tasked with directing the lines through the new {closet} in S.F. knew and blew the whistle on the NEW spying since 2000.

Like I said, your an ignorant fool. Douche-bags are good things!

Herr:

Socialized Medicine? Consider Medicare/Medicaid, what would you call those?

And the Obama MADRASSA thing was debunked quite some time ago.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/obama....

“Baise toi.”

Since: Nov 07

Amherst, NH

#15 Nov 14, 2007
Hawk wrote:
Douche-bags are good things!
Then you're the best thing to ever happen to this board. Here's the pertinent text, douche-bag:

`Sec. 948c. Persons subject to military commissions

`Any alien unlawful enemy combatant is subject to trial by military commission under this chapter.

`Sec. 948d. Jurisdiction of military commissions

`(a) Jurisdiction- A military commission under this chapter shall have jurisdiction to try any offense made punishable by this chapter or the law of war when committed by an alien unlawful enemy combatant before, on, or after September 11, 2001.

`(b) Lawful Enemy Combatants- Military commissions under this chapter shall not have jurisdiction over lawful enemy combatants. Lawful enemy combatants who violate the law of war are subject to chapter 47 of this title. Courts-martial established under that chapter shall have jurisdiction to try a lawful enemy combatant for any offense made punishable under this chapter.

`(c) Determination of Unlawful Enemy Combatant Status Dispositive- A finding, whether before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the Military Commissions Act of 2006, by a Combatant Status Review Tribunal or another competent tribunal established under the authority of the President or the Secretary of Defense that a person is an unlawful enemy combatant is dispositive for purposes of jurisdiction for trial by military commission under this chapter.

`(d) Punishments- A military commission under this chapter may, under such limitations as the Secretary of Defense may prescribe, adjudge any punishment not forbidden by this chapter, including the penalty of death when authorized under this chapter or the law of war.
Hawk

Brooklyn, NY

#16 Nov 14, 2007
That's great, some provisions mention the word "alien" while others do not. There is controversy over this aspect.
"The text of the law states that its "Purpose" is to "establish procedures governing the use of military commissions to try alien unlawful enemy combatants engaged in hostilities against the United States for violations of the law of war and other offenses triable by military commission." While the most controversial provisions in the law refer to alien unlawful enemy combatants, earlier provisions (section 948a) refer to unlawful enemy combatants, not excluding U.S. citizens. Therefore, there is some controversy over whether this law affects the rights of habeas corpus for United States citizens."
I no Constitutional Lawyer but would rather there be NO QUESTION as to MY right to Habeas, wouldn't you?

The right of habeas corpus—or rather, the right to petition for the writ—has long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject.
There's that Liberty thingy again!
HerrBGone

Painted Post, NY

#17 Nov 14, 2007
[QUOTE who="HawkHerr:
Socialized Medicine? Consider Medicare/Medicaid, what would you call those?[/QUOTE]

Yes. I’d call those socialist in nature. So is Social Security. Well, that’s actually a Ponzi scheme… But we won’t go into that right now. Hilarycare (the application of ‘the Massachusetts model’ on a National scale) is more than merely socialism. It’s racketeering. The government of the Commonwealth is now playing the role of Vinny daKneebreaker for private insurance companies if We the People choose not to pay ‘protection money’(they call it an “insurance premium”) to them. Basically the government is saying on behalf of the insurance companies “Pay up or we’ll make bad things happen to you.” There are laws against that – unless, of course, you’re the government. And now Hillary wants everyone to share in the fun.

As for the madrasah story being debunked – I like the guy. He’s very personable and he can construct a sentence on the fly and deliver it well.(Unlike the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.) However, I still don’t trust him. Obama was on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation. They are one of the prime sources of funding and guidance for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Ownership. The Brady Bunch’s sole reason for existing is to strip us all of our Second Amendment Rights. Anyone who would actively work to gut key provisions from the Bill of Rights does not deserve to be President of the United States. And I find it hard to trust anyone who attended a madrasah during his impressionable teen years regardless of any spin he may put on it now. I have heard him talk about it himself on the radio.

Back on topic:

I have no problem with legal immigration. Immigrants have been vital to the growth and prosperity of this nation since its inception. I do, however, have a problem with amnesty programs for people who broke the law to get here. There is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Take the wrong road and they deserve to get lost! They are welcome to come back when the can do so legally.

On a side note:

I enjoy a good debate. Even a heated one. But can we please try to avoid name calling and personal insults? That takes attention away from the matters at hand. And these topics are far too important to allow ourselves to get distracted with unproductive hyperbole.

“Baise toi.”

Since: Nov 07

Amherst, NH

#18 Nov 14, 2007
Now you're vacillating. An hour ago I was "Wrong!" Now, "there is controversy." Why don't you stop relying on wikipedia for your legal opinions, and go read the act itself. It is quite unambiguous.

There is no question as to your habeas corpus right. If you are arrested and held, for any reason, in any US jurisdiction, you, your lawyer, or anyone else may petition the court for a writ on your behalf.
HerrBGone

Painted Post, NY

#19 Nov 14, 2007
For want of a missing “]”!

To those in charge: Any chance we can get a preview button?

SGD

Since: Nov 07

Baltimore, MD

#20 Nov 14, 2007
You guys are lame with your "I can cyber pee farther than you" contest. We are no longer in the land of the free, we sacrificed a lot of our freedoms to feel more secure since 9/11. Will we ever get those back? Probably not.

Regardless, illegal aliens are still criminals and should be treated as such. The person who's grandfather walked from new brunswick to where ever had a lazy grandfather. 1986 had an amnesty act which would have granted him citizenship if he had so chosen. Since he chose not to become a citizen, he should have been deported just as all other illegal aliens should be deported. I have no sympathy for illegal aliens anymore and they should be thankful that people like me are not in any political office.

“Baise toi.”

Since: Nov 07

Amherst, NH

#21 Nov 14, 2007
SGD wrote:
You guys are lame with your "I can cyber pee farther than you" contest. We are no longer in the land of the free, we sacrificed a lot of our freedoms to feel more secure since 9/11. Will we ever get those back? Probably not.
Regardless, illegal aliens are still criminals and should be treated as such. The person who's grandfather walked from new brunswick to where ever had a lazy grandfather. 1986 had an amnesty act which would have granted him citizenship if he had so chosen. Since he chose not to become a citizen, he should have been deported just as all other illegal aliens should be deported. I have no sympathy for illegal aliens anymore and they should be thankful that people like me are not in any political office.
Christ, it just never ends.

My grandfather died in 1963. He and his wife (who was also dead by 1986) were resident aliens, and not here illegally.

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