EMT: Schools need athletic trainers - Sentinel & Enterprise

Frank Mastrangelo of Shirley is an EMT and a certified athletic trainer who volunteers his skills at Shirley Youth Football games and Friday night games at the Ayer Middle-High School. Full Story
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My vote is for Lynch

Ashburnham, MA

#22 Apr 28, 2011
Voter wrote:
Ahhh, the tell tale sign of a Lynch post. Lots of "I" statements and the ever telling "I feel". What a joke.
That's right, you don't like EMTs now that you've gotten into a fight with one at JRs. Who's next on your list? Water works employees? Meter Maids?
Get your facts straight loser! Lynch didn't get into a fight with an EMT! You need to stop stalking Lynch. Why don't you ever have anything positive to say? Lynch respects all EMTs! Lynch is a stickler on allowing access for ambulances. If you know Lynch you would know this about him. He is a major advocate of pulling over on the right as he has been an outspoken advocate of this fact for many years!

Lynch believes that there should be more attention given to making sure that emergency personel and vehicles always have clear access. The situation at JRs initiated from this fact! Mr. Lynch stated to the Mayor that she needed to step in as some members of the FFD are allowing JRs to park illegally as they were hampering emergency access to Fitchburg citizens. He stated that some FFD members were patrons and friends of JRs so they wouldn't speak against this illegal parking so the Mayor needed to make the calls and have these cars towed!

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Maryland Medic

Washington, DC

#23 Nov 5, 2011
Guess what, the insider is right. It is and is ALWAYS going to be "MY" safety first, than my partners/crews, than the pt, than bystanders etc. What good are you to anyone if you end up dead? Obviously you dont know some of the situations we deal with on a day to day basis.

Also, I would take a Paramedic over a Trainer ANYDAY!!!! The trainers i've seen, and this is not a statement about all trainers, but in my experience...THEY ARE DUMBASSES!!!!! I've never been so discusted and disturbed at the way patient care was rendered. Unbelievable.
The irony

Fitchburg, MA

#24 Nov 6, 2011
Maryland Medic wrote:
Guess what, the insider is right. It is and is ALWAYS going to be "MY" safety first, than my partners/crews, than the pt, than bystanders etc. What good are you to anyone if you end up dead? Obviously you dont know some of the situations we deal with on a day to day basis.
Also, I would take a Paramedic over a Trainer ANYDAY!!!! The trainers i've seen, and this is not a statement about all trainers, but in my experience...THEY ARE DUMBASSES!!!!! I've never been so discusted and disturbed at the way patient care was rendered. Unbelievable.
"discusted"...and you have the nerve to call others dumbasses. There's a reason you're a medic, you're too dumb to do anything else.
Eric

Chinle, AZ

#25 Nov 16, 2011
Haha! All this babbleing about EMT's vs a ATC. B.S. ATC's are far more experience then a CEP. ATCs go to 4 years of college and a medic goes for only two college semesters.. haha.. ATC's can clear certain injuries. The have more medical training then a Paramedic. And people shouldn't doubt the skills of MD's whether they are family practioners or an Emergency Physician. They are all trained in college the same skills it's the residencies that get them their specialties.. Most GP are trained to take the role or ER physicians.. But, all in all we should all be working together. We should be degrade each other skills. I am an ATC, CEP, PA-c.. If you want to go throught the training i have go ahead. I have a feel for alot.. So, all of you guys defacing one anothers practices? Get a life..
Just saying

Auburn, MA

#26 Nov 29, 2011
The Insider wrote:
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You are an EMT 24/7 so it doesn't matter if you are getting paid or not. In fact you are suppose to stop at an accident scene if you come across one off duty.
Sorry, I think your last statement is wrong. While you may feel you have a moral obligation to stop, there is no legal obligation if you are not on duty. Your obligation under Duty to Act is only when you are on duty. There are thousands of EMTs in MA, some practicing and some not. Can you imagine how many vehicles would be stopped at an accident scene if every EMT going by stopped.
The Insider

Fitchburg, MA

#27 Nov 29, 2011
Just saying wrote:
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Sorry, I think your last statement is wrong. While you may feel you have a moral obligation to stop, there is no legal obligation if you are not on duty. Your obligation under Duty to Act is only when you are on duty. There are thousands of EMTs in MA, some practicing and some not. Can you imagine how many vehicles would be stopped at an accident scene if every EMT going by stopped.
I stated you suppose to but there is no law that says I have to.

I don't stop at any accident scene. There are only two states Vermont and Minnesota that require you to render assistance as an EMS provider. Keep in mind that Massachusetts has one of those stupid laws where everyone is obligated to offer assistance.

Even those that do it, if you aren't being Wacker Willy and running around with a light bar, 15 stars of life and a "HEY I'M A EMT! AREN'T I GREAT?!" bumper sticker on your truck and continuously wearing EMS t-shirts, how the hell is anyone going to know you were there?

All that mentality does is encourage newbies to be obnoxious on scenes, potentially risk infectious disease exposure in order to "save a life" and put themselves at the risk of a lawsuit by some ingrate patient.
Anonymous

Lititz, PA

#28 Sep 24, 2012
certified AT wrote:
EMT's are great at what they do...Emergency medicine, but leave the athletic training to licensed athletic trainers. EMT's must defer to ATC's on the athletic field as the higher medical authority.(check with OEMS) Get the facts before you comment. ATC's are trained well beyond first aid. Go to the NATA.org and see for yourself. This shouldn't be a turf war. ATC's are very well versed on athletic injuries and WHEN they need to be sent to the hospital via EMS via EMT's. EMT's are not permitted by their own protocols to treat and release an athlete to go back into sports competition. Anything beyond providing EMERGENCY care and transporting is outside their scope of training and protocols. Going beyond that could land them in the middle of a court room. An EMT telling a MD what to do? Who's the higher medically trained individual here? An EMT who took a 3 month course ( 1 year for medics) or a medical doctor? Think we need to put our egos to the side......
As an EMT in PA, we do more than 3 months of training. We also, according to Protocol, do have the ability and right to tell an MD what to do. MD's are NOT trained in emergency medicine. My own Dr. complemented me and said I know many things he doesn't. He agreed that Dr's are trained in after care, not emergency. Why must everyone argue?
Star of Life

Gardner, MA

#29 Sep 24, 2012
Yeskeya wrote:
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As an EMT in PA, we do more than 3 months of training. We also, according to Protocol, do have the ability and right to tell an MD what to do. MD's are NOT trained in emergency medicine. My own Dr. complemented me and said I know many things he doesn't. He agreed that Dr's are trained in after care, not emergency. Why must everyone argue?
You are correct. Most people believe that because a medical doctor is on scene that they must have emergency care and treatment training and experience. This is not the case. Doctors are now trained in their field of study, THEY ARE NOT CROSS TRAINED FOR EMERGENCY CARE UNLESS THAT WILL BE THEIR MAIN PRACTICE !

What people believe is that all medical doctors must be trained in emergency medicine or trauma medicine. Too many drama series on tv also causes this assumption.

I have met many doctors on scene that have no idea how to administer emergency first aid, start an IV, read a monitor strip because that is not what they have been trained for. Most people assume they have that training and that may have been true 50 years ago but medical school does not require that anymore.

The term MD is now a general term that covers all aspects of the medical field for doctors. A knee replacement specialist is still known as a "medical doctor" even though they have no clue what "CPR" is and that is accepted and good because a knee specialist has no reason to perform "CPR".

EMT's only have to answer to Paramedics. If a doctor is on scene they both have the right to remove him from treating the patient if he does not know what he is doing which is the case 99% of the time. It happens alot and even the doctor knows where their place is at the scene so there is never an issue.

Nurses too cannot do anything unless it is from direct orders from a physician. That is why most emergency room nurses (trauma nurse) are now getting their Paramedic certification so they can administer IV's and drugs without a physician (medical control) giving their consent. This is needed when the ER gets busy. Paramedics are allowed to administer general IV's and drugs at certain dosages under their protocals without doctor's orders or under assumed medical control protocals.
athletic trainer

Leominster, MA

#30 Oct 28, 2012
how about EMTs stay in the ambulance and athletic trainer's stay on the athletic fields and we all play nice?
Cuckoos Nest

Gardner, MA

#31 Oct 29, 2012
athletic trainer wrote:
how about EMTs stay in the ambulance and athletic trainer's stay on the athletic fields and we all play nice?
I have never seen an athletic trainer any where else? They are not qualified to be on an ambulance or in the emergency room. They have to stay on the athletic fields.
NJ KID

Hightstown, NJ

#33 May 30, 2013
certified AT wrote:
EMT's are great at what they do...Emergency medicine, but leave the athletic training to licensed athletic trainers. EMT's must defer to ATC's on the athletic field as the higher medical authority.(check with OEMS) Get the facts before you comment. ATC's are trained well beyond first aid. Go to the NATA.org and see for yourself. This shouldn't be a turf war. ATC's are very well versed on athletic injuries and WHEN they need to be sent to the hospital via EMS via EMT's. EMT's are not permitted by their own protocols to treat and release an athlete to go back into sports competition. Anything beyond providing EMERGENCY care and transporting is outside their scope of training and protocols. Going beyond that could land them in the middle of a court room. An EMT telling a MD what to do? Who's the higher medically trained individual here? An EMT who took a 3 month course ( 1 year for medics) or a medical doctor? Think we need to put our egos to the side......
EMT's are great at what we do, and ATC are great at what they do- however not one person can do it by themselves. ATC's are good at that muscle sprain, strain and other crap like that. While when it comes to an emergency situation which we are seeing more frequently it is necessary to have an EMT on scene to provide the care. Most ATC correct me if im wrong only need basic first aid; EMT's take all these advanced courses beyond how to put a band aid on or how to control bleeding. In school ive had great ATC and bad- frankly some know what there doing others don't. The system needs to change! Either have a knowledgeable ATC in emergency situations and or get an EMT to do the emergency care. Im passionate and feel that it is in the best interest of the patient(athlete). Quote An EMT telling a MD what to do?. Some doctors are just stupid and don't know. Tell you are going to listen to a eye doctor for a kid that got destroyed on the football field. Thats where you need to think. There's a time and a place to say I know this and that, it actually only helps if you know what your doing and how to do it effectively, efficiently and in the best interest of the parent. Quote An EMT who took a 3 month course ( 1 year for medics) or a medical doctor? Think we need to put our egos to the side...... You need a wake up reality check. Anyone can get a license or certification. It is how you USE it. If you don't get experience or take CEU's that yea you'll suck- however I know EMT's that are more knowledgeable than a damn DOCTOR in the ER and YESSSS this is true. EGO's are cool and all but only when you got the skill and its how you apply that knowledge. I cant speak for anyone else- thats my opinion but if a EyE doctor or any other doctor told me what to do if they were not an ER doc; I would tell them thanks and have them removed from scene by pd( get there name and continue my care). Please everyone let me know what you feel and believe.
Cheryl44

Forestdale, MA

#34 May 30, 2013
My vote is for Lynch wrote:
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Get your facts straight loser! Lynch didn't get into a fight with an EMT! You need to stop stalking Lynch. Why don't you ever have anything positive to say? Lynch respects all EMTs! Lynch is a stickler on allowing access for ambulances. If you know Lynch you would know this about him. He is a major advocate of pulling over on the right as he has been an outspoken advocate of this fact for many years!
Lynch believes that there should be more attention given to making sure that emergency personel and vehicles always have clear access. The situation at JRs initiated from this fact! Mr. Lynch stated to the Mayor that she needed to step in as some members of the FFD are allowing JRs to park illegally as they were hampering emergency access to Fitchburg citizens. He stated that some FFD members were patrons and friends of JRs so they wouldn't speak against this illegal parking so the Mayor needed to make the calls and have these cars towed!
A little clarity is in order here. Lynch is stretching the truth a wee bit (surprise, surprise). When he says he didn't get into a fight wiith an EMT, he has a point. But it's all semantics. And distortion of the timeline. He assaulted an off duty cop. And then assaulted a fireman. Who also happens to be an EMT. Just the usual Lynch problem with telling the truth (yawn).

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Wickedguy

Gardner, MA

#35 May 30, 2013
NJ KID wrote:
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EMT's are great at what we do, and ATC are great at what they do- however not one person can do it by themselves. ATC's are good at that muscle sprain, strain and other crap like that. While when it comes to an emergency situation which we are seeing more frequently it is necessary to have an EMT on scene to provide the care. Most ATC correct me if im wrong only need basic first aid; EMT's take all these advanced courses beyond how to put a band aid on or how to control bleeding. In school ive had great ATC and bad- frankly some know what there doing others don't. The system needs to change! Either have a knowledgeable ATC in emergency situations and or get an EMT to do the emergency care. Im passionate and feel that it is in the best interest of the patient(athlete). Quote An EMT telling a MD what to do?. Some doctors are just stupid and don't know. Tell you are going to listen to a eye doctor for a kid that got destroyed on the football field. Thats where you need to think. There's a time and a place to say I know this and that, it actually only helps if you know what your doing and how to do it effectively, efficiently and in the best interest of the parent. Quote An EMT who took a 3 month course ( 1 year for medics) or a medical doctor? Think we need to put our egos to the side...... You need a wake up reality check. Anyone can get a license or certification. It is how you USE it. If you don't get experience or take CEU's that yea you'll suck- however I know EMT's that are more knowledgeable than a damn DOCTOR in the ER and YESSSS this is true. EGO's are cool and all but only when you got the skill and its how you apply that knowledge. I cant speak for anyone else- thats my opinion but if a EyE doctor or any other doctor told me what to do if they were not an ER doc; I would tell them thanks and have them removed from scene by pd( get there name and continue my care). Please everyone let me know what you feel and believe.
Well the average person will not understand that all doctors are NOT qualified for emergency work.

In today's world a medical doctor will "specialize" in the area of study and choice. An ear and eye doc will not be any good in a trauma setting. The average person will never understand not all doctors are trauma trained.

This is because for many years a doctor was trained in general practice and emergency medicine because there wasn't a choice to specialize in a certain area. A person would just go to their doctor for any type of complication.

This is why now they are referred to another "speciality" doctor. A foot doctor most likely will not be able to administer an emergency tracheostomy. They most likely will not be able to use a drill and drill into the bone of a leg to start an IV which is now done by paramedics on a routine basis. This infuses the IV fluid quicker in a trauma patient thru the bone marrow. Don't worry Medstar always cleans up the bone splatter after a call.

Most people don't know that paramedics do this and most doctors have never been trained to do this unless they specialized in "trauma medicine".

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index...
Uh der

Leominster, MA

#36 May 30, 2013
My vote is for Lynch wrote:
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Get your facts straight loser! Lynch didn't get into a fight with an EMT! You need to stop stalking Lynch. Why don't you ever have anything positive to say? Lynch respects all EMTs! Lynch is a stickler on allowing access for ambulances. If you know Lynch you would know this about him. He is a major advocate of pulling over on the right as he has been an outspoken advocate of this fact for many years!
Lynch believes that there should be more attention given to making sure that emergency personel and vehicles always have clear access. The situation at JRs initiated from this fact! Mr. Lynch stated to the Mayor that she needed to step in as some members of the FFD are allowing JRs to park illegally as they were hampering emergency access to Fitchburg citizens. He stated that some FFD members were patrons and friends of JRs so they wouldn't speak against this illegal parking so the Mayor needed to make the calls and have these cars towed!
Everyone knows to pull over for an ambulance. What sort of idiot goes to a fire station to complain about parking and even tells the Mayor. In a way it's brilliant. He goes and commits a violent crime and the police are already there to arrest him and emts are on the spot in case there are injuries.
Wickedguy

Gardner, MA

#37 May 31, 2013
Uh der wrote:
<quoted text>Everyone knows to pull over for an ambulance. What sort of idiot goes to a fire station to complain about parking and even tells the Mayor. In a way it's brilliant. He goes and commits a violent crime and the police are already there to arrest him and emts are on the spot in case there are injuries.
Trust me, if there is a parking problem at the fire station, the Fire Chief will have it rectified. The Fire Chief and the Deputy Chiefs will not let themselves becoming liable.

Lynch likes to stir it up, trys to make public safety look bad because he was never recognized for any good deeds he has thought he has done. This is the "Marsha Brady Syndrome" Why should public safety get all the credit and all the attention?

Then he runs and hides in the corner when he is confronted and doesn't answer questions about himself.
Rollstone

Forestdale, MA

#38 Jun 5, 2013
Fitchburgs Finest wrote:
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Interesting? Sore loser? HMMM? Are you ready to tell the truth yet? Or are you going to put your career on the line? What you did is against all the EMT rules. I feel that if you tell the truth then you apologize to the person then your career stays on track. Otherwise if you stand by the lie then you have severed the trust of the citizens whom you swear to assist. At present people don't know if they can trust you with their lives in your hands! This is a serious trust issue here!
I understand that you are relatively new to the job but you must put your work and career ahead of politics! In your position you cannot be allowed to treat people due to who they are nor what there politics are. I have stated many times out here that I wouldn't hesitate to help anyone no matter our personal differences nor what they have done to me illegally if they needed emergency assistance. This is who I am and you should be more so especially in your position!
Dr. Lynch-
When did you become an EMT? Were you able to use your EBT card to pay for the course? That's great. Now, instead of assaulting firefighter/EMTs, you can just stand in front of the mirror and punch yourself. Kind of cuts out the middleman. It's amazing how you have become an expert on everything. And all from your mom's basement, no less. But that makes sense, I guess, as the Blue Light can't see in the basement windows.
Musical chairs

Leominster, MA

#39 Jun 5, 2013
He is funny. What will be his next brilliant move? His story reminds me of something I saw in a movie where these two idiots walk into a bar and yell "This is a stick up!" and every patron at the bar turns around and points a gun at them.
whatIsGoingOn

Fitchburg, MA

#40 Jun 7, 2013
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