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Cut the Senior Center

Marblehead, MA

#1 Feb 11, 2010
Time to say goodbye to the Senior Center. Obviously that's eating up a good chunk of the Fitchburg money right there...and after they protested planned parenthood it showed that they're quite capable of finding things to occupy themselves with.

And I'm appalled that the salary there is so much higher than what a police man earns for putting his life on the line for Fitchburg!!!!
Darn Tootin from W Newton

Brookline, MA

#2 Feb 11, 2010
Cut the Senior Center wrote:
Time to say goodbye to the Senior Center. Obviously that's eating up a good chunk of the Fitchburg money right there...and after they protested planned parenthood it showed that they're quite capable of finding things to occupy themselves with.
And I'm appalled that the salary there is so much higher than what a police man earns for putting his life on the line for Fitchburg!!!!
Wooaahhh. I thought that I already made it perfectly clear that roughly 2/3rds of the Fitchburg PD never come anywhere close to putting their lives on the line!

We all know that the headcount of the FPD is something around 82 (it is hard getting a straight answer on the headcount). And, we know that there are 4 cruisers prowling the streets; per shift; with a single officer in each cruiser. And, we know that there are 3 shifts per day. That comes out to 12 officers per day; prowling the streets. And, there is a rotation back and forth; that results in a total of 24 cops per week; prowling the streets in crusiers.

So, we can plainly see that only 24 of the officers on the FPD out of the 82 total are actually out on the streets. The rest of them are safely out of harms way.

Plus, we all know that the 24 officers prowling the streets are not engaging in gun battles; each and everyday. So, they are not "putting their lives on the line".

I think that we should all agree, once and for all, to the following statement:

"Each day a handful of cops; somewhere in our nation; may be in potentially life threatening situations. However, a MUCH higher percentage of them are at least as safe as the rest of us".

We quickly stray from reality, if we say anything stronger than the statement above!
Hmmmm

Gardner, MA

#3 Feb 11, 2010
Darn Tootin from W Newton wrote:
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Wooaahhh. I thought that I already made it perfectly clear that roughly 2/3rds of the Fitchburg PD never come anywhere close to putting their lives on the line!
We all know that the headcount of the FPD is something around 82 (it is hard getting a straight answer on the headcount). And, we know that there are 4 cruisers prowling the streets; per shift; with a single officer in each cruiser. And, we know that there are 3 shifts per day. That comes out to 12 officers per day; prowling the streets. And, there is a rotation back and forth; that results in a total of 24 cops per week; prowling the streets in crusiers.
So, we can plainly see that only 24 of the officers on the FPD out of the 82 total are actually out on the streets. The rest of them are safely out of harms way.
Plus, we all know that the 24 officers prowling the streets are not engaging in gun battles; each and everyday. So, they are not "putting their lives on the line".
I think that we should all agree, once and for all, to the following statement:
"Each day a handful of cops; somewhere in our nation; may be in potentially life threatening situations. However, a MUCH higher percentage of them are at least as safe as the rest of us".
We quickly stray from reality, if we say anything stronger than the statement above!
The deadliest year in law enforcement history was 1974 when 268 officers were killed. The deadliest decade was the 1970's when a total of 2,182 officers died, or 218 each year. That figure has dropped dramatically in the 1990's to 152 per year.
-A total of 1,533 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the last 10 years, an average of one death every 58 hours or 153 per year. There were 130 police deaths in 1999.
Here are the facts for you. Yet I am sure if you were ever in a life threating situation, the first thing you would do is call 911. Open thy mouth and insert foot bud...
Darn Tootin from W Newton

Brookline, MA

#4 Feb 11, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
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The deadliest year in law enforcement history was 1974 when 268 officers were killed. The deadliest decade was the 1970's when a total of 2,182 officers died, or 218 each year. That figure has dropped dramatically in the 1990's to 152 per year.
-A total of 1,533 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the last 10 years, an average of one death every 58 hours or 153 per year. There were 130 police deaths in 1999.
Here are the facts for you. Yet I am sure if you were ever in a life threating situation, the first thing you would do is call 911. Open thy mouth and insert foot bud...
Lets not loose sight of the FACT that police officer deaths reached a 50 year low in the year 2009. I never said that cops never die on the job; I just said that "they are all not risking their lives for us; each and every day that they are on the job". And, I stand behind that statement. Most cops ARE NEVER placed into; or find themselves in; live threatening situations. Again, let's use the FPD as an example. With roughly 82 cops on the force; but only 24 (or thereabouts) actually out on the streets; it is plainly clear to anyone that more than 2/3rds of the FPD NEVER RISK their lives for us. And, as I pointed out already; even the 24 working the streets are not engaging in gun battles; each and everyday that they are working. Sure, it is possible that they MAY find themselves in a life threatening situation in a rare occurance; but let's face it. It just does not happen all that much. It is much more likely that a cop in Fitchburg will finish out his career having NEVER been in a life threatening situation.

And, don't forget Folks, more Fishermen; Timber Cutters; Airplane Pilots; Structual Steel Workers; Cab Drivers; Construction Laborers; Roofers; Electricians; Truck Drivers and Farm Workers die on the job more often each year than cops do. And, that is a documented fact. So, if the family members of our nation's cops feel a sense of fear as their loved ones leave for work; you can imagine the sheer panic that must grip the family members of the workers from all the occupations that I listed; as they watch their loved ones leaving for work; knowing that there loved ones are going to work in the 10 most life threatening jobs in the nation. My heart goes out to them!
Judge and Jury

United States

#5 Feb 11, 2010
its time to do away with these pensions, anyone in the city 10 years or less vest out their pensions and put them in 401k's these pensions are DESTROYING the city, and its only going to get worse
Darn Tootin from W Newton

Brookline, MA

#6 Feb 11, 2010
Hmmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
The deadliest year in law enforcement history was 1974 when 268 officers were killed. The deadliest decade was the 1970's when a total of 2,182 officers died, or 218 each year. That figure has dropped dramatically in the 1990's to 152 per year.
-A total of 1,533 law enforcement officers died in the line of duty during the last 10 years, an average of one death every 58 hours or 153 per year. There were 130 police deaths in 1999.
Here are the facts for you. Yet I am sure if you were ever in a life threating situation, the first thing you would do is call 911. Open thy mouth and insert foot bud...
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Folks; the FACT that most law enforcement officer deaths are the result of accidents. They ARE NOT the result of gunshot. And, I forgot to mention the FACT that Cab Drivers die via of homicide the most often of ANY group of workers in our nation (including cops).

Our nation's Cab Drivers are clearly incredibly brave; as they sit unarmed in their Taxi Cabs. And, I thank them for their brave service. I also wish their loved ones strength; as they watch this brave bunch leave for work each and every day and put their lives on the line for us.
Tim

Gardner, MA

#7 Feb 11, 2010
There are so many useless people that work for the city of Fitchburg, I bet they could fire 20 people and still provide the same (bad) services. If people that worked for government worked as hard as people in the private sector there would be no problem, but everyone knows that government workers don't work very hard. I have never heard of a city worker going above and beyond the call of duty. I have an idea for the first layoff... Wong!
Ah ha

Fitchburg, MA

#8 Feb 11, 2010
Darn Tootin from W Newton wrote:
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Oh yeah, I forgot to mention Folks; the FACT that most law enforcement officer deaths are the result of accidents. They ARE NOT the result of gunshot. And, I forgot to mention the FACT that Cab Drivers die via of homicide the most often of ANY group of workers in our nation (including cops).
Our nation's Cab Drivers are clearly incredibly brave; as they sit unarmed in their Taxi Cabs. And, I thank them for their brave service. I also wish their loved ones strength; as they watch this brave bunch leave for work each and every day and put their lives on the line for us.
Let us not forget the food delivery people now. Or convenience store clerks. Or gas station attendants.
My dad drove a can in Dorchester part time when he was home from Korea. My mom worried about him every time he went to work. And working in a convenience store or gas station is one job I was never allowed or told was a safe job to be working.
Maybe if the FPD actually did something to stop the crime/gangs/drug dealers in this city I would think they put their lives on the line. But the fact is... they don't. The occasional State Trooper sitting and waiting around here does more work than the FPD does
Judge and Jury

Concord, CA

#9 Feb 11, 2010
Also we need to do away with payting retiring employees for their unused sick time this is unreal...use them or lose them like any normal profession
Joke

AOL

#10 Feb 11, 2010
"Wong promised there will be conversations with the public in coming months"

I wont hold my breath...
Gino Bagajigaleone

Concord, MA

#11 Feb 11, 2010
Where is RON DIONNE when we need him most?

RON DIONNE would whack $2.4 million off the budget in the blink of an eye.

RON DIONNE never whined like Mayor Wrong.
Hmm

Peabody, MA

#12 Feb 11, 2010
Darn Tootin from W Newton wrote:
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Wooaahhh. I thought that I already made it perfectly clear that roughly 2/3rds of the Fitchburg PD never come anywhere close to putting their lives on the line!
We all know that the headcount of the FPD is something around 82 (it is hard getting a straight answer on the headcount). And, we know that there are 4 cruisers prowling the streets; per shift; with a single officer in each cruiser. And, we know that there are 3 shifts per day. That comes out to 12 officers per day; prowling the streets. And, there is a rotation back and forth; that results in a total of 24 cops per week; prowling the streets in crusiers.
So, we can plainly see that only 24 of the officers on the FPD out of the 82 total are actually out on the streets. The rest of them are safely out of harms way.
Plus, we all know that the 24 officers prowling the streets are not engaging in gun battles; each and everyday. So, they are not "putting their lives on the line".
I think that we should all agree, once and for all, to the following statement:
"Each day a handful of cops; somewhere in our nation; may be in potentially life threatening situations. However, a MUCH higher percentage of them are at least as safe as the rest of us".
We quickly stray from reality, if we say anything stronger than the statement above!
Your math is wrong, you started with bad information. There are 5 cruisers on every shift, not 4..and occasionally there are 6. I am also not sure that you considered the fact that FPD officers work 4 days on, 2 days off...so there is some rotation in there.
Former FPD

AOL

#13 Feb 11, 2010
Darn Tootin from W Newton wrote:
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Wooaahhh. I thought that I already made it perfectly clear that roughly 2/3rds of the Fitchburg PD never come anywhere close to putting their lives on the line!
We all know that the headcount of the FPD is something around 82 (it is hard getting a straight answer on the headcount). And, we know that there are 4 cruisers prowling the streets; per shift; with a single officer in each cruiser. And, we know that there are 3 shifts per day. That comes out to 12 officers per day; prowling the streets. And, there is a rotation back and forth; that results in a total of 24 cops per week; prowling the streets in crusiers.
So, we can plainly see that only 24 of the officers on the FPD out of the 82 total are actually out on the streets. The rest of them are safely out of harms way.
Plus, we all know that the 24 officers prowling the streets are not engaging in gun battles; each and everyday. So, they are not "putting their lives on the line".
I think that we should all agree, once and for all, to the following statement:
"Each day a handful of cops; somewhere in our nation; may be in potentially life threatening situations. However, a MUCH higher percentage of them are at least as safe as the rest of us".
We quickly stray from reality, if we say anything stronger than the statement above!
First off. You have no idea what you are talking about. There are usually between 5 and 7 cruisers on the street at any one time. At one time when staffing was up there were 13 officers on two of the shifts and 14 or 15 on 3-11 shift. There were also 2 Sgt's per shift. So if we just estimate that there are 13 officers per shift that is 39 that work patrol and then there are 6 supervisors. My math is 45 not the measely little 24 that you put in there. Not to mention there are usually others in a special unit depending on man power. Then there are the members of both the Detective Bureau and the Drug Suppression Unit that are out in the streets as well. So if you figure there are at least 6 of them then you are looking at 51 bodies that are out putting their lives on the line. So my advice to you is if you have no idea what you are talking about then perhaps you should not talk at all till you get your facts straight.
Darn Tootin from W Newton

Brookline, MA

#14 Feb 11, 2010
Former FPD wrote:
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First off. You have no idea what you are talking about. There are usually between 5 and 7 cruisers on the street at any one time. At one time when staffing was up there were 13 officers on two of the shifts and 14 or 15 on 3-11 shift. There were also 2 Sgt's per shift. So if we just estimate that there are 13 officers per shift that is 39 that work patrol and then there are 6 supervisors. My math is 45 not the measely little 24 that you put in there. Not to mention there are usually others in a special unit depending on man power. Then there are the members of both the Detective Bureau and the Drug Suppression Unit that are out in the streets as well. So if you figure there are at least 6 of them then you are looking at 51 bodies that are out putting their lives on the line. So my advice to you is if you have no idea what you are talking about then perhaps you should not talk at all till you get your facts straight.
Easy Fella,

Your numbers don't match up with the numbers of the Poster before you; and HE claimed to be in the know.

And, I am not interested in hearing about how many officers "there used to be out on the streets" I am only interested in the here and now.

And, we all know that Detectives are not engaging in gun battles; they go and get the details AFTER the fact. Besides that, I had a Fitchburg Detective tell me once that he was going home to watch a football game on TV while he was on duty. I sure as hell wasn't left with the impression that he was risking his life at all.

Your figure of 51 men risking their lives for us seems like a REAL STRETCH to me. It's a shame that we cannot find out real factual data; instead of the numbers quoted here on Topix Forum. You say my numbers are too low; and I say your numbers are too high. Reality may be somewhere in between. But, as a previous Poster pointed out already; it appears that the Mass State Police may actually be having more of an effect an Fitchburg's crime than the FPD. Is it just me; or does it seem like any story from Fitchburg that actually involves real live criminal behavior mentions the Mass State Police being involved?
john

Grafton, MA

#15 Feb 11, 2010
thanks For setting it straight above post, tootin's first grade math was not adding up. Tootin is out of his mind, what point is he trying to prove? I'm not sure.
Is he saying we should cut bulletprof vests out of the budjet? Does he want to be a police officer?
Dupes

Boston, MA

#16 Feb 11, 2010
Joke wrote:
"Wong promised there will be conversations with the public in coming months"
I wont hold my breath...
Yes you will, she'll invite you to discussion and you'll stomp up and down and hold your breath just like you always do!

Then you;ll wonder (and complain about) why she moved on without you.
Darn Tootin from W Newton

Brookline, MA

#17 Feb 11, 2010
john wrote:
thanks For setting it straight above post, tootin's first grade math was not adding up. Tootin is out of his mind, what point is he trying to prove? I'm not sure.
Is he saying we should cut bulletprof vests out of the budjet? Does he want to be a police officer?
My point? The cops ARE NOT all at risk of injury and or death while on the job.

Again, how can the cops simply ignore the facts that being a cop in the US IS NOT the most dangerous job? As I pointed out; the US Bureau of Labor Statistics lists 10 jobs (not counting the Military) that result in loss of life more often than the job of being a cop. So, how come we never read of any of these other groups of workers, who are actually risking their lives each day MORE than a cop is, posting messages about the great risks that they face each day? Why is it always the cops and occasional the Firefighters who claim that they are at great risk?

The job of being a cop is the 11th most dangerous job in the Nation (not counting the Military); as far as loss of life. And, the job of Firefighter comes in at number 15. But, to listen to these people; they would have you believe that somehow they are the only ones facing any danger on the job. It's bunk; and nothing more.

So, why do I stay at it? Because anytime that the subject of budgets and either the cops or the Firefighters gets brought up; we all have to read posts about the risk of life that they are all facing each day. The fact that their jobs do not even make it onto the Top 10 list does not seem to matter to them. Sure; there are some risks to the job. But, it is a hell of a lot safer than the other 10 jobs that result in loss of life more often. No one can honestly argue my point; because the actual facts DO NOT back up their argument. Period.

Former FPD

AOL

#18 Feb 11, 2010
john wrote:
thanks For setting it straight above post, tootin's first grade math was not adding up. Tootin is out of his mind, what point is he trying to prove? I'm not sure.
Is he saying we should cut bulletprof vests out of the budjet? Does he want to be a police officer?
I doubt very much he has the nerve to put on a uniform....He just likes to sit back and type away. But anyway the math probably lays somewhere in between since the dept is down quite a few bodies. I did mention the numbers came from a while ago. Don't forget currently there are nine bodies that occupy the dispatch positions due to budget crisis from a few years back. If he thinks he can run that dept without any police being off the streets then he would have to hire civilian bodies to replace all of those that occupy key positions within the building. Well anyway, I am not really concerned with anyone who shoots from the hip and places blame all over the place when he or she clearly hasn't done the things he complains about. Not to change the subject but it is the court system that needs to improve before any of the crime ridden communities will change for the better. Look at your police logs in the newspaper. It is the same names over and over again that the police lock up. Why is that. Perhaps we need to have a more modern look at the constitution since the majority of it came before automobiles. Perhaps we should loosen up some of the constraints that are on the law enforcement community and start to tighten up criminals rights and have more rights imposed upon the victims. They are the ones that suffer. Not the criminals who take their chances every time they commit a crime. Think about this. Do you think that every criminal that gets caught has only committed that one crime in their lifetime. Please no one has that much bad luck. You are either a law abiding citizen or you are not and you should be treated as such. Not being allowed to bring up a criminals past at trial is definitely one thing that has to change. Since they can bring up anyone elses past in trial including the police officers and the victims or any witnesses. Why not that of the defendent. Especially in OUIL cases. The jury doesn't know whether it is the defendents first OUIL or his 10th. Makes a big difference doesnt' it. Well until the laws start to go the other way then you won't see any changes. Another silly note, who do you think your law makers and your judges are. Most of them are former lawyers. See the big picture. Sorry about the rant....guess I just needed to spout.
Dupes

Boston, MA

#19 Feb 11, 2010
Wow,

If you want to say the danger argument is used blanket style whenever budgets are discussed just say it.

"My point? The cops ARE NOT all at risk of injury and or death while on the job."

Coming in at 11 in your list does not support your above statement geez. Coming in 11th probably does make them in the top 1% risky jobs.

"No one can honestly argue my point; because the actual facts DO NOT back up their argument. Period."

^^Not so, not so at all.

Former FPD

AOL

#20 Feb 11, 2010
Darn Tootin from W Newton wrote:
<quoted text>
My point? The cops ARE NOT all at risk of injury and or death while on the job.
Again, how can the cops simply ignore the facts that being a cop in the US IS NOT the most dangerous job? As I pointed out; the US Bureau of Labor Statistics lists 10 jobs (not counting the Military) that result in loss of life more often than the job of being a cop. So, how come we never read of any of these other groups of workers, who are actually risking their lives each day MORE than a cop is, posting messages about the great risks that they face each day? Why is it always the cops and occasional the Firefighters who claim that they are at great risk?
The job of being a cop is the 11th most dangerous job in the Nation (not counting the Military); as far as loss of life. And, the job of Firefighter comes in at number 15. But, to listen to these people; they would have you believe that somehow they are the only ones facing any danger on the job. It's bunk; and nothing more.
So, why do I stay at it? Because anytime that the subject of budgets and either the cops or the Firefighters gets brought up; we all have to read posts about the risk of life that they are all facing each day. The fact that their jobs do not even make it onto the Top 10 list does not seem to matter to them. Sure; there are some risks to the job. But, it is a hell of a lot safer than the other 10 jobs that result in loss of life more often. No one can honestly argue my point; because the actual facts DO NOT back up their argument. Period.
Okay here we go. First off think about how many types of jobs there are out there. Even if there were only 100 types of jobs and police and fire come in at the 10 and 15 spot then I would guess that seems a little dangerous. Remember no one is taking anything away from those other jobs. But do any of those jobs require them to risk their own lives for the safety of others. There are probably thousands of different types of jobs out there and police come in at number 10. I think it is time for you to change who you are lashing out at. Does a police officer put his life on the line everyday....absolutely not. However, does a police officer know when something bad is going to happen to them. No, but there is always a chance when you are one of those that has to run towards a bad situation not away from it. Not only that why don't you go and find a family that has lost a loved one as a police officer on the job and start spouting your crap to them. I don't think you have the balls to do that. To sum it up police and fire personnel do put their lives on the line everytime they suit up. Why else would they require all that equipment and training. You should take a ride down to Washington D.C. and take a look at the police memorial down there. You should go in May when they have law enforcement officer week done there. You can then get on your little soapbox and start to tell all of those people and children that no longer have a father, mother, sister, brother, son, daughter or close friend that there is no risk in this profession. You would be surprised at the wall down there and how many people have lost their lives for the JOB....that's right the JOB... While down there go to Section 7East line 23 and look up Ofc. Larry Jupin on the wall. Do you remember him. Westminster Police Officer shot by a guy who shouldn't even have been out of jail. Well on that night back in May of 1999 he was shot and eventually fell to his injuries in November of 2002. He just happened to be the best man at my wedding. So yes, I feel that everytime a police officer or fireman put on their uniform to help protect you that they are putting their lives on the line. If you want to sit down face to face and talk about my best friend that is no longer with us then let me know. Other wise you need to shut up and squack about something else.

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