created by: CitizenTopix | Oct 8, 2010

Massachusetts

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MA Sales Tax Relief Act, Question 3

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saftey first

Gainesville, GA

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Kestrel

Billerica, MA

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#224
Apr 7, 2012
 
Jim wrote:
This is the THIRD 'tax reduction referendum question' that I can remember coming through.
The first one PASSED, but was NEVER ENACTED.
That's right, the state said, newp, we can't do it, sorry.
The 2nd one was the last election cycle, and it failed.
The state then seemed to take that as a directive to RAISE taxes, and they went for the throat (raise SALES tax in a downturned economy tends to reduce purchases, or move the purchases to New Hampshire = next to zero gain for Mass).
Judging by the last two referendum questions, I'd say:
if it passes:
they won't do it anyway, but it will spotlight how little the legislature really cares about the opinion's of voters.
If it fails:
as the last time, it will be taken as a directive to RAISE taxes.
If the majority of people say the current tax rate is just fine,
that is taken as us NOT being at the backlash/public outcry level yet.
That means there's more room to raise taxes even further.
So what is there to lose -- they are going to raise taxes anyway. We might as well let them know how we feel. Being silent in fear that if we speck up they will raise taxes is just plain stupid.
The Insider

Ayer, MA

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#225
Apr 8, 2012
 
Whaaat wrote:
These people are crazy. We don't have enough money now, if this goes through the state will be bankrupt.
Exactly. Other taxes will inflate. Just wait until you see your property tax increase. If you think there are not enough services now then see what happens when if this passes.

I love it when I hear people say my street was not plowed during a snowstorm. I love it when I hear the ambulance, firetruck or police cruiser took a long time to get here. Obviously less taxes means less services.

The stores will not contribute anymore to the local revenue. They will not hire more people because their sales will go up. NH hates MA people because they shop in NH and that causes prices of other services such as restaurants and so on to increase because of demand.
Praxis33 Parade of Shame

Pittsfield, MA

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The whiny, sniveling coward is loose. Keep an eye out for his hilarious posts where he lies and denies and tries to wiggle out of every problem he creates for himself. It's better entertainment than cable television.
chump change

Agawam, MA

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Apr 8, 2012
 

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taxed enough already wrote:
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This would be a problem? Attracting out of state shoppers because our tax is lower? Out our end of the state, we would have tons of New Yorkers coming here to shop, since their sales tax is 7 or 8% and they tax clothes and we don't. Advertise it in Eastern New York and they will flock here.
This would be a huge benefit to Western Mass retailers near the border. Plus, maybe people nearer to New Hampshire would stop going over the border to buy over there to avoid sales tax.


Why would anyone drive over here to save a few cents and spend ten bucks for gas?
sara1234567890

Belchertown, MA

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#228
Apr 22, 2012
 
Is there anyone that would vote no! Come on!
count the cars

Attleboro, MA

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#229
Apr 22, 2012
 
Drive up and dn rt28 in Salem NH
and count the Massachusetts plates.

Nearly everyone within 10 miles of the NH line will border jump anytime the have more than a couple hundred bucks to spend.

It is literally killing all the big ticket stores South of the border,
and the smaller stores that support them
(most people stop for a bite to eat, or a cup of coffee while they are out.)

I wonder how Mass sales are doing since the last tax hike.
Mike Ducucka

Fitchburg, MA

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count the cars wrote:
I wonder how Mass sales are doing since the last tax hike.
They're doing well, thanks for asking.

http://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2010/0...
http://www.beaconhill.org/RevenueForecastsBHI...
chbpod

East Greenwich, RI

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#231
Apr 22, 2012
 
is this a ballot question for 2012??
Mike Ducucka

Fitchburg, MA

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#232
Apr 22, 2012
 
chbpod wrote:
is this a ballot question for 2012??
No, the idiots arent aware that this has already been voted on and settled.
Boston

West Roxbury, MA

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Mike Ducucka wrote:
So according to your first link,
tax income went up 3.something percent.

Sounds good till you realize how much a DROP in sales for retailers this represents.

Or maybe its lost on you that a 3% tax income gain on a 30% increase in tax rate
represents a DECREASE is sales.

If alcohol wasn't being double taxed, the 'tax increase' would in fact have resulted in a HUGE LOSS of tax income.
Mike Ducucka

Fitchburg, MA

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Boston wrote:
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So according to your first link,
tax income went up 3.something percent.
Sounds good till you realize how much a DROP in sales for retailers this represents.
Or maybe its lost on you that a 3% tax income gain on a 30% increase in tax rate
represents a DECREASE is sales.
If alcohol wasn't being double taxed, the 'tax increase' would in fact have resulted in a HUGE LOSS of tax income.
The alcohol tax was repealed dum dum.

I Provided links proving your assertion wrong. Now you please return the favor and provide links showing a 30% decline in retail sales in MA.

Here's a hint... Your math doesn't pan out. So try again.

Next!
Boston

West Roxbury, MA

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Mike Ducucka wrote:
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The alcohol tax was repealed dum dum.
I Provided links proving your assertion wrong. Now you please return the favor and provide links showing a 30% decline in retail sales in MA.
Here's a hint... Your math doesn't pan out. So try again.
Next!
Here's the text from your first link
I do the math that they posted

I guess you don't know a fluff piece when you read one.
That's sad:

BOSTON - The state in January collected more taxes than expected for the fourth month in a row, largely because of strong collections of the sales tax during the holidays, corporate and business taxes and a new sales tax on liquor.

According to Navjeet K. Bal, commissioner of the state Department of Revenue, actual tax collections for the month totalled $1.846 billion, up $55 million, or 3.1 percent, from January of last year. Collections were $36 million above the monthly projections.

Robert R. Bliss, a spokesman for the revenue department, said officials are cautious about interpreting the tax collections for January to mean the economy is improving.

“Does it mean absolutely that we are headed into blue sky territory?” Bliss said.“It’s too early to say that.”

Since the fiscal year started on July 1, tax collections totaled $10.558 billion, down $292 million or 2.7 percent from the same period in the prior fiscal year.

The higher-than-expected January tax collections could help soften the fiscal crisis in state government.

Gov. Deval L. Patrick said last week that if tax collections continue to beat monthly targets, he could restore some services he was forced to cut earlier in the fiscal year or in the state budget that starts July 1.

During January, the month that follows the holidays and therefore provides the largest sales tax collections, the sales tax totalled $449 million, or $11 million more than projections.

Included in that total, the sales tax on beer, wine and liquor totaled $14.4 million, or $2.3 million above the forecast for January.

The 6.25 percent sales tax on liquor has been collected now for five months after it was passed last year by the governor and legislators. During those months,$52.5 million has been collected from the new tax.

Despite imposing the sales tax for the first time on liquor sold at retail, the amount of liquor sold is up. Over the five months of collections, the volume of alcohol sold increased by nearly 1 percent compared to the same period a year ago, the revenue department said.

The January collections also signaled that shopping may be reviving. After factoring out the recent 25 percent increase in the sales tax, tax collections from retail sales grew for the first time in 17 months and were up nearly 1 percent from January of 2009, the revenue department said.

“It’s a little sign there was some consumer activity in the retail sector,” Bliss said.

The sales tax increased from 5 percent to 6.25 percent last year. For comparison purposes, the revenue department factored out the increase when analyzing tax collections from retail sales from January of this year to the same month a year ago.

Corporate and business tax collections for January totaled $54 million, up $29 million or 118.6 percent from January of last year, with growth driven by one-time payments, audit assessments, and new revenues from higher taxes on certain corporations. January corporate and business tax collections were $25 million more than expected.
Boston

West Roxbury, MA

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This is the relevant part;

"During January, the month that follows the holidays and therefore provides the largest sales tax collections, the sales tax totalled $449 million, or $11 million more than projections.

Included in that total, the sales tax on beer, wine and liquor totaled $14.4 million, or $2.3 million above the forecast for January.

The 6.25 percent sales tax on liquor has been collected now for five months after it was passed last year by the governor and legislators. During those months,$52.5 million has been collected from the new tax."

So the went $11mil above projections
But that included the $14.4mil in the NOW REPEALED double alcohol tax.

This next part proves sales are DOWN if you can follow along;

"The January collections also signaled that shopping may be reviving. After factoring out the recent 25 percent increase in the sales tax, tax collections from retail sales grew for the first time in 17 months and were up nearly 1 percent from January of 2009, the revenue department said"

So,
a ONE PERCENT increase in retail sales,
disregarding the 25% tax increase.
That certainly makes it sound like sales are up,

except the did not say that 1% revenue increase disregarded ALCOHOL SALES.

Of course revenue would increase if you double tax alcohol in a down economy.

Increasing ONLY one percent from the previous January (including Alcohol) shows the real numbers actually went DOWN.

As far as the alcohol tax having since been repealed,
YOU POSTED THE LINK DUM DUM!
Casual Observer

Cropseyville, NY

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#237
Apr 22, 2012
 
Boston,

Know when you're brat and just walk away. You're embarrassing yourself. Mike has proven you wrong, now you're just proving yourself to be unintelligent.
Casual Observer

Cropseyville, NY

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#238
Apr 22, 2012
 
Oops, brat should be beat. But I'm sure you get the point, Boston.
Dopes

Malden, MA

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#239
Apr 23, 2012
 
People who don 't vote to decrease taxes are stupid. How can you not when you see and hear about all the waste and self serving spending that goes on? The more they get, the more they spend. Maybe it would even let them consider actually cracking down on EBT abuse. In case you haven't noticed, the services have not improved with increased taxes.
Just stating a fact

Baltimore, MD

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#240
Apr 23, 2012
 
sara1234567890 wrote:
Is there anyone that would vote no! Come on!
Psst ... this question was on the ballot in 2010 ... the voters said no.
Just stating a fact

Baltimore, MD

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#241
Apr 23, 2012
 
Just stating a fact wrote:
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Psst ... this question was on the ballot in 2010 ... the voters said no.
Opps...maybe I am wrong! There were three questions. I thought this was about the one to reduce the sales tax to 3%. That one did not pass. One did pass. It had something to do with a tax on beer/wine.

Is it allowable to say you may have made a mistake on the internet or are you suppose to double down and just call the other stupid!!! I keep forgeting the rules.
Boston

West Roxbury, MA

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#242
Apr 23, 2012
 
Casual Observer wrote:
Boston,
Know when you're brat and just walk away. You're embarrassing yourself. Mike has proven you wrong, now you're just proving yourself to be unintelligent.
Embarrassing myself on the topix board lol
now I know you are reaching.

Please dispute the numbers I posted,

Retail sales tax income for Jan 2010 increased by 1% over Jan 2009
(adjusted for 25% tax hike ---> 5% to 6.25% tax rate)

Sounds great, till you realize 'retail sales tax income' for Jan 2010 included alcohol sales, and Jan 2009's DID NOT INCLUDE ALCOHOL SALES.

As I said in my very first reply,
REMOVE ALCOHOL SALES AND YOU HAVE A LOSS OF RETAIL SALES.

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