Leominster works to spot trends in lo...

Leominster works to spot trends in loss of students to school choice - Sentinel & Enterprise

There are 74 comments on the Sentinel & Enterprise story from Jan 16, 2011, titled Leominster works to spot trends in loss of students to school choice - Sentinel & Enterprise. In it, Sentinel & Enterprise reports that:

Students will exercise the school-choice option as long as it's available, but officials should continue the effort to identify any trends among those who leave the district, Leominster High School Principal Tom Browne said last week.

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BabyBoomSurvivor

Leominster, MA

#1 Jan 16, 2011
People are leaving Leominster schools for the same reason we did. Poor education due to low budget and high class size. Also there are a large number of violent, problem kids in the middle/elementary school who come from some pretty screwed up homes.
Shaking My Head

Oakham, MA

#2 Jan 16, 2011
BabyBoomSurvivor wrote:
People are leaving Leominster schools for the same reason we did. Poor education due to low budget and high class size. Also there are a large number of violent, problem kids in the middle/elementary school who come from some pretty **** up homes.
I would assume that many leave Leominster and Fitchburg schools for those reasons. I can't say I blame them, either. Kids shouldn't suffer because their parents are priced out of purchasing a home in the unaffordable-for-most towns.
parent

Winchendon, MA

#3 Jan 16, 2011
Stop blaming it on the curriculum of the schools. Place it at the feet where it belongs and that is the state, parents, mental health advocates and political correctness that is out of control.

Never blame the child, the education system is set up to educate the child.
Leominster and Fitchburg both are burden with the cost of political correctness where a child who has GPA of 3.0 to 4.0 cannot progress because it will hurt the feelings of a child who has a GPA of 1.0 or 2.0. We cater to the lesser educated and allow them to control the dynamics of the school environment.

When you have 2 police officers working full time at a high school you have a problem.
When you have them placed at a middle school level you have a problem out of control.

People choice out because of gangs picking on them and because there is constant disruption from the kids from DSS foster and kids with mental health issues.
Their parents defend their actions continuously with mental health advocates and lawyers. The high ends kids suffer because all the resources and attention is placed on the kids with emotional needs. You also have to print all materials in the languages of their native land.

Parents are constantly seeking educational systems that will fill the needs of their children with the tax dollars they work hard to pay to this state. This is why charter schools became popular and now other entities are cashing on this concept.

What you will be left with unless the cities and towns get the main educational system fixed is a place where indigents will be harbored on the tax payer’s dime.

When the teachers and the administration are powerless and the kids and the parents with the parent advocates control the educational system you have this issue and problems. The biggest problem is parents are tired of paying for an educational system where the resources are given to the wrong student.
Your Toocents

Leominster, MA

#5 Jan 16, 2011
happy wrote:
I need to put my too cents in , I think lhs sucks asss the way they treated my newphew and my newphew has no mental illness, hes not a perfect kid he comes from good family lhs teacher suck they dont stand up for there kids and when they know the kids are doing nothing wrong and they ignore it and they wonder why the kids are going somewhere else or dropping out of school , stand up for the kids and maybe they will stay in
school dont turn your back on them . thanks god my nephew has a family that loves him and supports him and care for him and there are other schools that kids can go to that will support them so they can get an education and there are teachers out there that will help kids and not ignore them.
Thank you , conserend aunt .
Hopefully your nephew was able to stay awake longer than the 12 minutes you did during english class. The ability to write with grammatical correctness is invaluable. Look at all the money Dr. Seuss was able to make. If your ineptitude towards spelling and syntax is a result of the Leominster educational system, then I offer sincere apologies. However, there is a great bright side when you consider that your nephew will spend the next 40 years on the molding machine right next to yours.
happy

Fitchburg, MA

#6 Jan 16, 2011
Your Toocents wrote:
<quoted text>Hopefully your nephew was able to stay awake longer than the 12 minutes you did during english class. The ability to write with grammatical correctness is invaluable. Look at all the money Dr. Seuss was able to make. If your ineptitude towards spelling and syntax is a result of the Leominster educational system, then I offer sincere apologies. However, there is a great bright side when you consider that your nephew will spend the next 40 years on the molding machine right next to yours.
not
Leominster Resident

Worcester, MA

#7 Jan 16, 2011
You think it's bad now! Wait for the 2011-2012 budget report comes out.
Soxfan

Leominster, MA

#8 Jan 16, 2011
LHS has too many studenst in each grade to have a solid educational program.
Leominster doesn't have the funding nor will it in this economic times to finance a larger schools or increase the number of teachers needed to offer smaller class sizes from the grade school level on up.
Also a large number of behavior realted studenst can disrupt the learning of others and wil low staffing there are bond to be issues.
LHS has 2 full time cops....is there a problem . YES.
When you have cops in middle school that tells you we have issues.
When you see a cop taking a studnet out of LHS and placing them in the cop car and driving away with lights on, you have a problem.
When you child as well as numerous other friends tellyou kids smoke pot inside of school and nobody does anything about it...you have a problem.
When you a city with financial issues and can't afford a new school or increase teachers to accomodate the increase numbers ofincoming students...you have a problem.
When teachers have a class size of 30 kids...you have a problem.
When the city contimues to allow overcrowded classrooms you have a problem.
When gangs and out of control students are sqeezed into a school without adaquate staffing...you have a problem. Just walk the mall and see what the problem kids at LHS as like...
FYI: The majority of kids are good at LHS..it take a few bad ones to screw it up and make it harder for those that want to learn and that is the problem and why parents look elsewhere to educate their children if they athe lucky ones that can get into a smaller school in another town.
Not Oz

Leominster, MA

#9 Jan 16, 2011
It doesn't help when the Mayor has been in office for 17 Years and doesn't appreciate education at all. Roof leaks, have a parade. MCAS scores in the dump, have a festival. Teachers fleeing the system, Have a Ladies Night Out.
so sad

Fitchburg, MA

#10 Jan 16, 2011
there are no classes for kids to take that are of worth. Electives? None to speak of. Sure, there are AP courses, but when you have either low level or AP to choose from - the middle road takes the AP rigor down. Class sizes are crazy - and discipline management is wishy washy. The newspaper should start asking the kids about what goes on there.
Cassie

Leominster, MA

#11 Jan 16, 2011
I feel have let my child down here with there education when I bought our home many years ago. The housing market was high and it was the best we could afford at that time....if I looked ahead I would have remained a renter in the town we came from...they at least they have smaller class sizes without all of the issues that LHS has..and the roof doesn't leak and get this no police on staff..wouldn't that be nice for our kids.
Parent 2

Fitchburg, MA

#12 Jan 16, 2011
Leominster kids are moving out because Leominster is willing to take students with significant learning and mental health issues from other districts.
Soxfan

Leominster, MA

#13 Jan 16, 2011
I understand parents with kids with special needs wanting to be in the same schools are other kids. Some kids however really do need to go to another school that can specialize in what they need. The city tries to save money by keeping them in our public schools but they are doing a dis-service to these kids and parents. Some kids really do need to go to a school that can teach them in differant ways. The city tries to keep them in the system so they don't have to pay out to another specialized school.
Parent

Leominster, MA

#14 Jan 16, 2011
I had thought about choicing out a few years ago until the LEAP program arrived. My children were finally given the education they deserved by highly qualified and motivated teachers. The program was such a success among students and parents and so what do they do? They change it. They took an excellent program at the middle school and tore it apart for know apparent reason. I gave it a chance this year but the quality is gone. That is the reason my three kids will be leaving next year.
Leap Parent

Leominster, MA

#15 Jan 16, 2011
Parent wrote:
I had thought about choicing out a few years ago until the LEAP program arrived. My children were finally given the education they deserved by highly qualified and motivated teachers. The program was such a success among students and parents and so what do they do? They change it. They took an excellent program at the middle school and tore it apart for know apparent reason. I gave it a chance this year but the quality is gone. That is the reason my three kids will be leaving next year.
I still think it is a great program! The teachers we have had experience with in this program at the middle school are exceptional. Our child is an 8th grade student who has been in the program for 3 years. I wish they would do something like this for the HS age kids.
excellent choice

Leominster, MA

#16 Jan 16, 2011
Charter schools are the way to go. Public schools are in the toilet due to politics,perpetual budget cuts from the kids not the administrators, and unions protecting less than adequate teachers.
Parents want the best for their children, and public scools just can't seem to meet the mark
LEAP Parent As Well

Leominster, MA

#17 Jan 16, 2011
Leap Parent wrote:
<quoted text>
I still think it is a great program! The teachers we have had experience with in this program at the middle school are exceptional. Our child is an 8th grade student who has been in the program for 3 years. I wish they would do something like this for the HS age kids.
The Leominster School District has done a great job with the limited resources they have. The middle school LEAP program is still in place. The only change has been integrating non-LEAP students into home room which is very "real world". This is a healthy transition in my eyes.
We were worried when our oldest child started LHS. The adjustment was very smooth. The LHS teachers have been fabulous! The one disappointment we have is the AP offerings were not expanded a few years back.
There are many schools east of Leominster and in the Worcester area which are larger than LHS. Some are very reputable but students can also get "lost". Parents taking an active role as we all know is critical.
The resource/police officers are in the schools as needed. Would it be better if they were not there? Any school which has this resource on site is being pro-active regardless of the demographics. We have seen violence in the best suburban schools.
Just my thoughts.
Justathought

Boston, MA

#18 Jan 16, 2011
After reading all of the comments and those of the principal in the article, I am somewhat mystified as to why the negativity surrounding this school district? It is a very odd system that has 1.6 million leaving the district but 1.1 million coming into the system. It really isn't that far off.

Secondly, please do not think that smaller schools mean fewer problems-----nor do i believe that smaller class size equals better learning. The teachers and administrators make the school-----any school. If you have a great teacher with 40 students, teaches with discipline, passion, and can relate to students--you will have success.

In any case, I am in favor of making logical, smart decisions that are best for individual students-----if Leominster is not right for you--go elsewhere----- but at least call the guidance office, shadow a student, and make an educated decision.
Jabberwocky1969

Leominster, MA

#19 Jan 17, 2011
Thanks for all the comments ... This all confirms my decision to NEVER NEVER NEVER send my kids to this rotten school system.
Leominster Resident

Worcester, MA

#20 Jan 17, 2011
To the "LEAP PARENTS" FYI because everyone is equal your children are treated as such. When you call the schools and say" my child is in the leap program" guess what, it's dismissed. EVERYONE is in a class room.

So get off your high horse.
Leominster Resident

Worcester, MA

#21 Jan 17, 2011
Justathought wrote:
After reading all of the comments and those of the principal in the article, I am somewhat mystified as to why the negativity surrounding this school district? It is a very odd system that has 1.6 million leaving the district but 1.1 million coming into the system. It really isn't that far off.
Secondly, please do not think that smaller schools mean fewer problems-----nor do i believe that smaller class size equals better learning. The teachers and administrators make the school-----any school. If you have a great teacher with 40 students, teaches with discipline, passion, and can relate to students--you will have success.
In any case, I am in favor of making logical, smart decisions that are best for individual students-----if Leominster is not right for you--go elsewhere----- but at least call the guidance office, shadow a student, and make an educated decision.
Because the kids that are coming in have been kicked out of there school district. Most commonly another town. Lengthy behavior problems and criminal history. Yup, that young!
Leominster is taking in those "Students" because they need the money but are chasing Leominster Students away in the process.

Taking on these "Choice Students with a history" is taxing Leominster. Other reason is lack of funds and staff. Theses are all issues the S.C can address but choose not too!

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