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#125 Oct 1, 2013
After the 2010 midterm elections, the Republican Party took control of the House of Representatives and offered a budget plan that proposed dramatic spending reductions. That plan, authored by House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI), envisioned FY 2014 funding levels at $1.095 trillion. Note that the funding in the current Senate-passed CR is about 10 percent less than the levels in the original Ryan budget.
Finally, in August 2011, after a prolonged standoff over the debt limit, President Obama and Congress agreed to cut even more spending than the original Ryan budget demanded. The original spending caps in the 2011 debt limit deal limited funding to $1.066 trillion in FY 2014. The Senate CR accepts a cut of an additional $80 billion, or nearly 8 percent, from that compromise level.
Progressives have repeatedly made significant concessions in order to protect the economy from a series of manufactured crises. Today’s manufactured crisis is no different. The Senate-passed legislation to keep the government open sets funding levels that are even lower than previous compromises. If the Tea Party shuts the government down anyway, it will not be because progressives were inflexible. Just ask House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)—the compromise incorporated in the Senate CR was originally his idea.
#126 Oct 1, 2013
Me thinks you have enough problems of your own!
Besides, Canada couldn't take over an elementary school!
#127 Oct 1, 2013
You were just given 7, agree with them or not.
How about just ONE where Republicans reached accross the isle and compromised?
We'll be waiting, for ever I'm sure!
#128 Oct 1, 2013
I'm just wondering how much it's going to cost me when they lock you up in a crazy people hospital.
#129 Oct 1, 2013
You gave me a bunch of nonsense that pretends to claim that he worked with Republicans...not even going to try to discuss such BS.
#130 Oct 1, 2013
If Obama wanted to work with Republicans, he wouldn't be blaming them each time something happens...that is always the very first thing out of his mouth...the Republicans did it.
#131 Oct 1, 2013
This is part of the problem, you people are ignorant, stupid, childish, irresponsible, reckless just plain nuts!
We're supposed to be the most sophisicated Government on the planet, that's to support the most sophisticated country on the planet. We're supposed to Govern that way, highly sophisticated, intelligent, creative, fair and with brilliance!!!
Factless (and Michelle Bachmann!) along with Faux Snews wants to change what we call a Government Shutdown to a "slimdown"! Really, how f-ing childish can you get? Oh it's just a slim down, WTF are you an infomercial! I digress.
This has happened before, it's not a new thing that needs a new word to describe it, they are shut downs!
But no, you children think calling it a slimdown, is intelligent, realistic and is going to change what people think of it?
Only your easily lead shallowbrains will, that's for sure!!!
Oh, and don't forget what else Michelle Bachmann does to represent this great country...
My God really! THat's what you people think we should be!?!??!!?
You're dragging this country down with your dumbdown thinking and bahavior, really, get a grip on yourselves!!!!!!!
A f-ing slimdown, it's laughable that you can say nonsense like that with a straight face!
#132 Oct 1, 2013
Right, translation, you don't have an example!
#133 Oct 1, 2013
See, you can't even put out some nonsense that makes the claim! You don't have one.
#134 Oct 1, 2013
I gave you seven examples, you cheap shot in response and refuse to even muster up one example of Republicans doing it? I'm supposed to taunt you for several posts until you give ONE EXAMPLE in return for me giving you seven!!
Don't EVER, EVER cry about discourse or discussions on this board again you cheap shot slimy tool!
You've got more excuses than answers is your problem and you're a dumbazz poseur tool!!
#135 Oct 2, 2013
Awwwwwww Sonny's getting all worked up again....poor baby. I had to go work my second job to keep my head from sinking in all this Democrat created shit, however, I really am not going to bother discussing anything with you any longer...I did have fun playing with you though...have a great day!!
Everyone knows that Obama has nothing but disdain and has done NOTHING to work with Republicans. I did try giving you an opportunity to prove that wrong, and you threw out nonsense per usual.
ACA is the best evidence of the lack of leadership and bipartisanship that Obama is the poster child for...Obama has always been "my way or the highway".
#136 Oct 2, 2013
Ridiculous nonsense, but I see I taught you a new word, you DID learn something today!
#137 Oct 2, 2013
The dumbing down of America brought to you by the Rightwing noise machine and Faux Snews...
#138 Oct 3, 2013
Its absolutley shamefull that Reid and The Senate refuse to fund anything in government, including cancer treatments for children.
Like I said before, Democrats only know its "all or nothing".
#139 Oct 3, 2013
Oh look, MORE FAUX SNEWS SPIN!
It's your expectation that dems should agree to fund the Government, one piece, one vote at a time while the Government is shut down? JUST MORE STUNTS FOR PUBLICITY!!!!
We're supposed to agree to opening national parks but NOT FEEDING HUNGRY CHILDREN? Cancer patients but not starving children?
And you're LYING AGAIN FACTLESS, Republicans have not sent anything that resumes funding for Cancer patients!!
*******Show us that House passed bill that does that and prove you're not lyng!********
"it's clear that Reid was responding to the point brought up by Schumer — why fund kids with cancer, while ignoring, say, other vulnerable kids, or other populations impacted by the shutdown? Why choose?"
#140 Oct 3, 2013
For many of us, to remember the last time Republicans shut down the federal government is to think of then-Speaker Newt Gingrich. Specifically, the far-right Georgian admitted in November 1995 that he closed the government in part because President Clinton hurt his feelings on Air Force One -- the president didn't chat with Gingrich during an overseas flight and then made the Speaker exit at the rear of the plane.
It was a moment that captured the entire fiasco quite beautifully. A petulant, out-of-control Republican leader shut down the government largely to spite the president who made him feel bad.
We don't yet know if a similar moment will come to define this Republican shutdown, but I'd like to nominate this gem as an early contender.
"We're not going to be disrespected," conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."
Go ahead, Republicans, tell us another one about how the shutdown is Democrats' fault.
It's been long argued that congressional Republicans are now defined by a post-policy nihilism, but even I'm surprised an elected GOP member of Congress would say this out loud, on purpose, and on the record.
The quote is just ... perfect. "We're not going to be disrespected" helps capture the extent to which Republican lawmakers are acting like a street gang, hurting the country deliberately out of some twisted sense of self-serving pride. "We have to get something out of this" reinforces the way in which GOP officials are holding the country hostage, expecting a ransom to be paid.
And "I don't know what that even is" makes clear that Republicans are being driven by a mindless radicalism. There's no meaningful policy goal in mind; there's no substantive motivation; there isn't even a strategic end goal. There's just a primal instinct and a right-wing id causing a national crisis.
#141 Oct 3, 2013
When there's a major political fight underway, it's wise to keep your eye on which side of the divide wants to talk about the substance and which side wants to shine a light on shiny objects. As a rule, it's the latter that's losing.
As Day 3 of the government shutdown gets underway, we're now averaging one sideshow per day, which does not bode well for a protracted crisis. The first spectacle was watching the same Republicans who shut down the government express outrage over the closure of the World War II Memorial in D.C. The second was this.
CNN's Dana Bash asked [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] during an October 2 press conference if Democrats would be supportive of a House bill that would reinstate funding to the National Institutes of Health (NIH). That funding, which includes a program that provides access to clinical trials for children with cancer, was halted after House Republicans refused to pass a bill to fund government operations in an effort to derail the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.
Bash then asked, "If you can help one child who has cancer, why wouldn't you do it?" Sen. Charles Schumer (D-NY) replied to Bash, "Why pit one against the other?" and Reid, who was critical of the Republican idea that Congress could "pick and choose" which parts of the government to fund, added, "Why would we want to do that? I have 1,100 people at Nellis Air Force base that are sitting home. They have a few problems of their own." Reid's comments referenced his push for a bill that would fund the entire government, including the NIH.
The right could barely contain its glee. "OMG! Reid hates children with cancer! We knew it!"
This was unusually stupid for two main reasons. The first, obviously, has to do with context and the point Reid was trying to make. As Dylan Byers explained, "The problem with separating quotes from context is that the effort usually comes back to bite you. Before you know it, you end up being depicted as someone who has to invent controversy because you're no longer capable of debating on substance."
The second has to do with confusion on the right about the nature of political narratives -- a subject conservatives generally understand better than this.
I probably shouldn't have to explain this to Republicans, but "gaffes" have an impact when they reinforce an existing story or belief. For example, Mitt Romney said during last year's presidential campaign that he likes "being able to fire people." The context was more forgiving, but this became a big story because it bolstered the worst impressions we already had about Romney -- he had a record of making a profit after laying off workers.
Later, we saw the "you didn't build that" line from President Obama. Any sane person could hear the remarks and notice the context, but the right seized on the line because of the larger narrative they were so eager to push -- the president, they said, was hostile to free enterprise and these four words proved they were right. It was a "gaffe," in other words, because it fueled a message Obama's critics were already eagerly pushing.
With Harry Reid and the NIH, the right not only pushed an idiotic claim, they also undermined their own narrative. In order for yesterday's "gaffe" to make any sense at all, one must believe that the Senate Democratic leader is a heartless, conservative miser who opposes public investments in health care and medical research. Seriously.
Republicans spent yesterday afternoon asking us to see Harry Reid as too right-wing for their tastes. Literally no one could be dumb enough to believe such garbage.
#142 Oct 3, 2013
"With Harry Reid and the NIH, the right not only pushed an idiotic claim, they also undermined their own narrative. In order for yesterday's "gaffe" to make any sense at all, one must believe that the Senate Democratic leader is a heartless, conservative miser who opposes public investments in health care and medical research. Seriously.
Republicans spent yesterday afternoon asking us to see Harry Reid as too right-wing for their tastes. Literally no one could be dumb enough to believe such garbage. "
FAUX SNEWS brainfarts all believe it!!!
#143 Oct 3, 2013
BTW, this isn't a budget fight, your asking to gut a low, you're not even arguing about the budget, you want to gut the ACA in a budget fight!
The problem is, your attaching a change to a law to a budget CR, you're not concerned with the budget, if you were, you'd admit, spending level of the CR is 986B. PAul Ryans budget is 967B.
Spending levels are near 20B apart!!! You're holding it ransom to gut a law!!
#144 Oct 3, 2013
We should fund Cancer patients but continue to harm National Security?
While Sens. John McCain and Harry Reid may not agree on much, they both share the firm belief that the tea party is dangerous to America.
The two Senate elders from opposite sides of the aisle have deemed Ted Cruz and his extremist tea party cohorts as "wacko birds" and "anarchists".
Unfortunately, the senators are correct - even if the truth hurts.
The tea party is holding the U.S. economy hostage via their self-imposed government shutdown which is hurting the tepid economic recovery and threatening fiscal catastrophe (via a potential failure to raise the U.S. debt limit).
But that's not all.
Aiding And Abetting the Enemy
Tea party radical right-wing ideologues are also aiding and abetting anti-American terrorist groups like al Qaeda and its global affiliates - either inadvertently or by design.
The tea party "suicide caucus" - as it's been called - is weakening U.S. national security by eviscerating our intelligence infrastructure via the government shutdown. Meanwhile, anti-American terrorists continue to plot against us.
Director of National Intelligence James Clapper told the Senate Judiciary Committee on Wednesday that the shutdown "seriously damages our ability to protect the safety and security of this nation and its citizens. We will have to shuffle people in and out depending on what we believe the concern of the day is...So each day that goes by, the jeopardy increases."
Clapper said the shutdown "is not just a Beltway issue. It affects our capability to support the military, diplomacy and our policy makers. From my standpoint, it's extremely damaging."
He continued: "The danger here is that this will accumulate over time. The damage will be insidious. I've been in the intelligence business for about 50 years. I've never seen anything like this."
General Keith Alexander, director of the National Security Agency (NSA), added that the shutdown "has impacted us very hard" and "has had a huge impact on morale."
Gen. Alexander told the Senate hearing that 70% of intelligence community civilian employees are furloughed, including over 960 with Ph.D.s, 4,000 computer scientists and 1,000 mathematicians, according to media reports.
In short, radical right wing extremists in the tea party are willing accomplices to those who would harm America. The tea party is hindering the fight against global terrorism and protection of the homeland.
As Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Calif.), who chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, recently stated on the Senate floor, "Our shutdown is the biggest gift we could possibly give our enemies."
Thus it should be obvious by now that tea party "anarchists" are intent on not only destroying the U.S. government and plunging the economy into the fiscal abyss, but they are also actively jeopardizing the very safety and security of our nation.
That's why referring to the tea party as "anarchists" may be too kind.
Shame on Ted Cruz and his mindless minions.
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