#103 Oct 1, 2013
This is YOUR f-ing Rabbit hole, ahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha hahahahaaa~~!!!!!!!
yes we are a Republic
Are we a Republic that is also a Democracy or one that is not?
It's a stumper Alex, they can't answer it!!
#104 Oct 1, 2013
IDEOLOGY Sucks for you, puts you in corners where you cannot answer simple valid questions!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahhhahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahaha
#105 Oct 1, 2013
Well, you obviously cannot read, so I am mistaken in assuming you can. The link I provided CLEARLY states we are a Republic and not a Democracy.
It is written right into our constitution, and your continued attempt at trying to create some kind of hybrid doesn't change the fact that our government is a "Republic".
You really are a sad sad little man that can never just accept when you are wrong. You always try to spin the discussion in any way possible to move around or dodge the fact that most (if not all) of the time, you are wrong.
and back to the thread...if anyone is holding America hostage, it is Obama and the Senate. They are the people unwilling to negotiate and work through the issues that have become well known issues regarding ObamaCare, and it is correct that SOMEONE in Washington try to make an attempt at saving us from the shit that will happen when it is implemented.
We certainly can't expect the Democrats to fix it, they didn't even know what was in it when they made it a law.
#107 Oct 1, 2013
This is YOUR f-ing Rabbit hole, ahahahahahahahahahahaahahahaha hahahahaaa~~!!!!!!!
yes we are a Republic
Are we a Republic that is also a Democracy or one that is not?
It's a stumper Alex, they can't answer it!!
What's the matter, don't want to play in the Rabbit hole of your choosing anymore? It's a simple f-ing question, there are two kinds of Republics, stated in your link.
Which are we? We're NOT going back to the subject of the thread (since YOU decided to sidestep that and go down THIS Rabbit hole of your choosing instead) until you answer that one simple question. There is NOT JUST ONE KIND so, you're going to have to answer which we are!!!!
"The link I provided CLEARLY states we are a Republic and not a Democracy."
Is THIS your final answer contestant? We are NOT A Republic that is also a Democracy?
Means you think we're the kind of Republic that is the same as China, NAzi Germany, North Korea!! Talk about a dumbfk!
Thanks for putting this out there, Factless thinks we're the kind of Republic NAzi Germany was, the same kind of Republic North Korea is, the same kind of Republic (of China) that China is!!!
Cool beans, we can move on now!!!
#108 Oct 1, 2013
"saving us from the shit that will happen when it is implemented."
The sky is falling, the sky is falling!!!!!!!!!
"The total economic impact is likely to be at least 10 times greater than the simple calculation of lost wages of federal workers, said Brian Kessler, economist with Moody's Analytics. His firm estimates that a three- to four-week shutdown would cost the economy about $55 billion."
Excellent Ted, cause the economy and us Billions for a hissy fit!!!!
"According to a CNN/ORC poll, 68% of Americans think shutting down the government for even a few days is a bad idea, while 27% think it's a good idea.
And it appears most Americans would blame congressional Republicans for a shutdown: Sixty-nine percent said they agreed with the statement that the party's elected officials were acting like "spoiled children."
"“Americans are certainly not in love with Obamacare, but they reject decisively the claim by congressional Republicans that it is so bad that it’s worth closing down the government to stop it,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of the Hamden, Connecticut-based polling institute.
A partial federal government shutdown would cost the U.S. at least $300 million a day in lost economic output at the start, and the effects probably will grow over time as consumers and businesses defer purchases and expansion plans."
#109 Oct 1, 2013
Here's a quick guide to who and what will be most affected:
Anyone who might get sick: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) would lack funding to support its annual flu vaccination program.
Military personnel: Barring last-minute congressional action, members of the armed forces would have their paychecks put on hold while they continue to work.
People who use boats: The Coast Guard will cut back on routine patrols and navigation assistance.
Civilian defense employees: 400,000 Department of Defense employees will be given unpaid vacations.
Family members of fallen soldiers: Death benefits for military families will be delayed.
Gun owners: During the 1990s shutdown, applications for gun permits were delayed due to furloughs at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Trees: Hundreds of US Forest Service workers face furloughs in California during peak forest fire season.
Visa applicants: Furloughs at the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs mean tens of thousands of visa applications are put on hold.
People traveling abroad: A shutdown would cause delays in the processing of passport applications.
Sick people: The National Institutes of Health will not admit new patients unless ordered by the director.
Factory workers: The Occupational Safety and Health Administration will halt regular inspections.
Hikers: All 401 National Park Service sites will be closed.
People who make money off tourists: Shuttered national parks are bad news for the hotels, restaurants, and other attractions that feed off them.
Small business loan applicants: The Small Business Administration will furlough 62 percent of its workforce.
Employers: The Department of Homeland Security's e-Verify program will be offline for the duration of the shutdown.
People applying for mortgages: The Federal Housing Administration and the USDA won't guarantee new loans.
Oil and gas exploration: The Bureau of Land Management will stop processing permits for oil and gas drilling on federal lands.
Chemical site facility security: Funding for Department of Homeland Security regulatory program ends October 4.
FOIA requests: The Social Security Administration says it won't respond to Freedom of Information Act Requests during the shutdown.
Docents: All Smithsonian Institution museums in Washington, DC, will be closed.
@CuriosityRover: 98 percent of NASA's staff will be furloughed, and the agency's website and live-streams will go dark.
Renewable energy permits: The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management will stop all new offshore renewable-energy projects.
Campers: People living (or vacationing) in national parks and forests will have 48 hours to relocate.
Native Americans: The Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement will suspend oversight of active and abandoned coal mines "primarily in Tennessee and on Indian lands."
Pesticide regulators: The Environmental Protection Agency will all but shut down at midnight.
Veterans pensions: The Department of Veterans Affairs says it will run out of funding for regular payment checks after a few weeks.
US Geological Survey researchers: The agency would stop most new scientific research and water analysis.
Disability payments: Although the VA will continue to provide medical care, disability payments may also be disrupted after a few weeks.
Ponies: The Bureau of Land Management's wild horse and burro adoption programs would cease.
#110 Oct 1, 2013
Infectious disease surveillance: The CDC will be unable to track outbreaks and monitor infectious diseases at a local level.
People on food assistance: The USDA's Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children (WIC) will stop making payments on October 1.
Food inspections: The Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration warned of "inability to investigate alleged violations" due to a lack of funding; food imports will also go unexpected.
Automobile recall inspectors: "Routine defects and recall information from manufacturers and consumers would not be reviewed," according to the Department of Transportation.
Food and drug safety research: The Department of Health and Human Services, which includes the FDA, will furlough 52 percent of its staff.
ARPA-E: The Department of Energy's cutting-edge research arm—and one of the crowning legacies of the stimulus—will shut down, putting projects such as "squirtable batteries" on hold.
Nuclear Regulatory Commission: The agency could furlough more than 92 percent of its employees next week, with much of the remaining staff handling inspections.
People without heat: If the shutdown persists, it could affect the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program, which funds heating assistance programs.
Consumers: The Commodity Futures Trading Commission will furlough 652 of its 680 employees and maintain only a "bare minimum level of oversight and surveillance" to stop fraudulent practices.
People trying to pay taxes: The Internal Revenue Service will shutter its tax hotline, and stop processing tax payments.
College students: Cutbacks at the Department of Education could slow Pell grant and student-loan payments.
Economists: The Bureau of Economic Analysis will cut back on its data collection.
Welfare recipients: Temporary Assistance for Needy Families—welfare—runs out of funding on October 1, although individual states may pick up the tab.
Head Start: The child development program, already hammered by the effects of sequestration, will stop doling out new grants on October 1.
Air monitoring: A 94 percent reduction in staff won't leave the EPA much room to enforce its new carbon regulations.
Golf: Courses at National Park Service sites will close for the shutdown. So at least we have that going for us.
#111 Oct 1, 2013
Wow Dude, you have such a short memory...
Civics Class schooled you on the type of government we have way back on Post # 61...he wrote back then that our government is a Republic, and the link I provided CLEARLY confirms that and further explains the difference between a Republic and a Democracy...it really is too bad you have major comprehension issues, but we're done trying to explain it to you and we will move on. The link provides no such choice as a Republic with or without a Democracy, but I'm sure in your warped world it does.
The only "rabbit hole" as you call it is in your own mind.
Civic Class...thanks for the info and you can dismiss class now.
The ills of ObamaCare will show up very quickly, and then we will talk again...you are obviously ignoring what people have been saying about employers reducing hours and other methods they've been using to get around this ridiculous mandate, so I don't hold out much hope to teach you anything, but we'll see.
#112 Oct 1, 2013
Talk about "the sky is falling", the news is basically saying that the government shutdown as you are so aptly crying about is a government slimdown.
Thank You Republicans for reminding us that the nation can function and the whole world doesn't stop just because Obama and the Democrats don't want to play nice!!
Government doesn't create economic output you moron, BUSINESSES DO!!
#113 Oct 1, 2013
Oh I see, only Faux Snews counts?
"It should be noted that every democracy is a republic, but not every republic is a democracy. Some countries are republics, but are not considered democracies. Examples include Nazi Germany, the People's Republic of China, the Democratic People's Republic of [North] Korea, and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. While not "democratic" countries from a "Western" point of view, they are or were technically republics, since they had no monarchs and even had elections. However, it's also a matter of perception- for example, North Korea calls itself a "democratic people's republic" and tries to brainwash its people into believing that, but from an outside point of view, it is arguably the most undemocratic country in the world."
Right there for you.
YOU think we're the Nazi kind, the China kind, the North Korea kind cause, the difference is, "representative Democracy", WE get to ELECT representatives, so just great, thanks for playing.
You don't like to have to say it, that's the only reason you CAN'T ADMIT IT!
#114 Oct 1, 2013
Oh really, "the news" is saying that!??!!? You're such a tool, Faux Snews is the only one saying that, well, Faux Snews and Michelle Bachmann!!!!!
"In mid-August, the Heritage Foundation hoped to convince congressional Republicans that a deliberate government shutdown would be a political winner for the already unpopular party. The far-right activist group didn't want to call it a shutdown; it preferred the phrase "a temporary slowdown in non-essential federal government operations."
Yes, in Republican politics in 2013, even a government shutdown is subject to rebranding.
Rep. Michele Bachmann told TPM over the weekend, "There is no such thing as a shutdown. It's only a slowdown." Fox News had a similar pitch this morning, posting this image to its homepage:
Matt calls it, shut down denialism!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahhaa and your a denier 100%!!!
It's an interesting messaging tactic. Here's a good list over at Mother Jones of all the different classes of people who'll be impacted by the elimination of non-"essential" government services. It includes everyone from people who need permits for oil and gas exploration to people who might worry about the absence of CDC infection disease monitoring. Thanks to the shutdown it'll be harder to get a small business loan and harder to get many classes of mortgages. Poor people are going to lose safety net benefits and FBI agents will work without pay.
But don't worry, America, it's really just "a temporary slowdown in non-essential federal government operations," being imposed on the nation because Republicans lost an election. It may hurt the economy and hundreds of thousands of people, punishing the country for no particular reason and with no real policy goals in mind, but just think of it as a "slimdown."
Republicons think they can simply call things other words and re-brand them into something else!!!
It's a Government Shutdown, caused by Republicons, as I said, you're only fooling yourselves!!!!
Check that list of what is "shutting down" above!!! Is that slimming? No, not at all slimming, their closing.
Faux Snews LIES Factless, it sends you into defending the indefensible. When are you going to learn, Faux Snews LIES!!!!!
#115 Oct 1, 2013
#116 Oct 1, 2013
Before I even click on this site what is ' slate.com '? By the way, after reading your posts I can tell you are popular with the ladies. I know a nice girl who is currently single. She's into angry little guys who are into politics and possibly starred in The Lord of The Rings movie as Bobo Baggins. I think I should give you her number.
#117 Oct 1, 2013
Yup yup yup...just Fox News.
All essential personnel will continue to go to work and the government isn't shutting down...so the people that planned to go see the Statue of Liberty have to reschedule...big deal.
Social Security will still send checks, the post office will still deliver junk mail...all the normal sorts of things...wow, thats too bad.
If the President and Democrats ever decided to actually work with Republicans in the house instead of CONSTANTLY focusing on keeping Republicans in a bad light, they might actually get something done.
Here's a question for you smartass...
Name one thing that The Senate has done since Obama has been in office to reach across the isle and work with their counterparts in The House...just one.
#119 Oct 1, 2013
it's right in front of you, this CR, it's spending levels are at Sequestration, that's a give!!
So, there's your answer, one for you
Why didn't Republicans in the House go to Committee with the budget six months ago like they are supposed to do?
Here they are, making believe they offered that, except, they offer it under duress of extortion at midnight last night!
"'As a last-minute stunt, House Republicans, who've spent the last six months refusing to enter budget negotiations with Democrats, announced late last night that they're ready for budget negotiations with Democrats. Early this morning, GOP leaders selected the eight members they'd like to send to these negotiations, known as a "conference committee."
True to form, Republicans chose eight middle-aged, far-right white guys, most of whom are from the south. They then put the eight GOP lawmakers in a conference room across from empty chairs, and tweeted the picture in the hopes of making it appear that they, unlike those rascally Democrats, are "ready to negotiate."
And if there's one thing Republicans are good at, it's debating empty chairs, right Clint Eastwood?
In case anyone is tempted to find this silly little picture/gambit compelling, let's note a few relevant details Republicans desperately hope you don't know.
1. Democrats pleaded with Republicans to enter budget talks for six months, but Republicans refused, fearing such talks might lead to a compromise. For GOP officials to throw out the idea last night with literally less than an hour to go before the shutdown deadline was cheap and childish, even by Republican standards.
2. GOP leaders now say they're ready to "compromise," but only if they take away health care benefits, and only if Republicans don't have to accept any concessions. I've come to believe GOP lawmakers are genuinely, sincerely confused about what the word "compromise" actually means. I'm tempted to take up a collection and buy them all dictionaries.
3. Democrats have said they're prepared to participate in the conference committee anyway if Republicans would only end the government shutdown.
So if the eight middle-aged, far-right white guys want to stop losing a debate to empty chairs and start governing, they should move past these little stunts and turn the government's lights on."
Stunts, Hissy fits, grandstanding, Hostage taking, extorion and shutting the Government down! THAT'S how today's Republicons THINK we're supposed to work.
#120 Oct 1, 2013
Cat take your mouse? Still waiting for an answer about Democrats reaching out to Republicans to work together...what about it smart guy?
#121 Oct 1, 2013
History will not be kind
In the years since Boehner has been the Speaker, NO MAJOR BILL has ever been passed through the House, Not one piece of legislation has passed the house.
#122 Oct 1, 2013
The president’s nomination of conservative Republican Chuck Hagel to his cabinet is just another example in a long line of Obama’s attempts to reach across the aisle and work with a recalcitrant Republican minority. Here are a few other gems, as we highlight some of Obama’s most bipartisan gestures of his first term and the Republican response.
Keeping Robert Gates as secretary of defense
In January, 2009: Obama is inaugurated and immediately seeks out Republican lawmakers willing to work with his new agenda. He makes it a point to maintain Robert Gates (previously appointed by Republican President George W. Bush) as his Secretary of Defense. Some Republicans on the Hill even whisper that Obama was working with them more than Bush ever did.
Republican response in January, 2009: Rush Limbaugh welcomes the president with a hearty “I hope he fails."
Obama meets with pro-choice and pro-life advocates
In May, 2009: Obama begins the first of several sessions meeting with pro-choice advocates and their detractors in order to help design legislation that protects both the lives of women and the unborn.
Republican response in September, 2009: South Carolina Representative Joe Wilson shouts “You lie!” at the president during Obama’s speech to Congress wherein he intended to reach out to Republicans and voice his concerns with our failing healthcare system and his plans to fix it. To make matters worse, fact checkers have disproved Wilson’s claim, saying that the healthcare proposal explicitly does not provide for illegal immigrants.
Obama listens to Republicans on health care
In January, 2010: Obama holds a meeting with Republicans in Baltimore, where he allows for a candid question-and-answer session in order to hear directly from the opposition and allow them to express their skepticism. A month later, he speaks with Republicans in what will be dubbed the “Healthcare Summit.” Obama compromised his initial plan for a single-payer system, instead seeking a Republican-promoted individual mandate mirroring the one Mitt Romney created as Governor of Massachusetts in the 1990s.
Republican response in October, 2010: Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell states that the most important objective of the Republican Party is to make Obama a one-term president, not fixing our budget/debt issues, our broken healthcare, education or immigration systems, and certainly not protecting U.S. citizens from terrorist attacks.
Obama compromises on 2010 budget deal
In December, 2010: Obama compromises on his previously-stated goal of not prolonging the Bush tax cuts on the wealthy by agreeing to a budget deal. By doing so, Obama provides for the continuation of unemployment benefits to the needy, establishes a payroll tax holiday, renews the inheritance tax, and ensures that the government continues paying its debts.
Republican response by Spring of 2012: Senate Republicans have blocked Obama’s judicial nominees at an unprecedented rate, delaying their being placed on the bench by greater than four times more than Democrats ever did to Bush judicial nominees.
Obama compromises on "fiscal cliff"
On January 1st, 2013: Obama once-again compromises on a “fiscal cliff” deal by raising the threshold of the income level for whom taxes would rise from $250,000 to $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families and pushing back sequestration of funds allocated to the military. His deal-making resulted in the Federal government receiving even less revenues than Republican Speaker of the House John Boehner had previously offered to allow.
There's 6, now, tell me ONE where Republicans compromised??????
#123 Oct 1, 2013
Now that the U.S.A is vulnerable with a non-functioning government, this is the time for Canada's Armed Forces to jump in and take over the U.S. misadministration and set it right.
Of course most of the taxes will be redirected to Ottawa, and French will be obligatory in all schools.
Vive le Canada!
#124 Oct 1, 2013
You were given the CR, which is already at compromise levels, idiot brickhead much?
"When it comes to understanding the negotiating postures of the congressional caucuses, the playing field isn't exactly level. On the one side we see Republican lawmakers who insist on undermining the Affordable Care Act -- somehow, some way, for some reason -- just for the sake of doing so.
For GOP leaders, recent developments are simply outrageous -- why won't Democrats ignore the election results, the public good, and their own principles, and simply give the party that lost the elections what they want? What's so unreasonable about that?
On the other side, we see Democratic lawmakers who ... aren't making any demands at all.
For more information on what Democrats have already compromised on in this process. The short answer is, "Everything."
Dems passed the Affordable Care Act a few years ago, which itself was a compromise -- Dems traded away many progressive goals and priorities, embracing a Republican-friendly health care plan in order to get the legislation done. Since then, lawmakers in both parties have approved all kinds of spending bills that included funding for the health care law.
Over the last several weeks, however, with a shutdown deadline looming, it was time for the parties to lay out their demands. Republicans demanded fewer health care benefits for Americans. Democrats could have demanded anything -- an end to the damaging sequestration policy, elimination of the debt ceiling, a vote on immigration reform, universal background checks -- but instead started in the center. Congressional Dems were even willing to accept painfully low spending levels, as evidenced by this chart Michael Linden and Harry Stein published yesterday, just to ensure the government didn't shut down.
Democrats, in other words, acted like grown-ups, putting aside their own policy agenda -- an agenda the public endorsed in the recent national elections -- in the interest of avoiding a crisis. Republicans could have taken this as a win and moved on, but they wouldn't take "yes" for an answer.
As Greg Sargent explained yesterday, "Only one party is demanding major concessions from the other in exchange for keeping the government open at sequester spending levels -- levels leaders of that same party have already declared is a victory for them --while the other party is demanding exactly nothing in exchange for doing that."
Dan Balz added, "Amid all the maneuvering and hand-wringing ahead of the government shutdown, one thing remained clear: House Republicans are continuing to grapple unsuccessfully with what it means to be a governing party."
"The Senate-passed measure to keep the government operating represents an enormous compromise by progressives to avoid a damaging government shutdown. The Democrat-controlled Senate agreed to temporary funding levels that are far closer to the Republican-controlled House budget plan than they are to the Senate’s own budget for fiscal year 2014. Moreover, this concession is only the latest of many such compromises over the past several years.
The Democrat-controlled Senate passed a continuing resolution, or CR—a temporary funding measure meant to keep the government operating—that would set the relevant funding levels at an annualized total of $986 billion. That’s about $70 billion less than what the Senate endorsed as part of its comprehensive budget plan back in April. But that actually understates the extent of the compromise.
When President Barack Obama first took office in 2009, his budget proposed $1.203 trillion in discretionary spending for FY 2014. The Senate CR is about $216 billion, or nearly 18 percent, lower than that. Actual enacted funding levels for FY 2010, when the Democrats controlled both chambers of Congress, totaled $1.185 trillion in 2014 dollars. The Senate CR is about $200 billion below that, a cut of nearly 17 percent.
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