Immigration laws tear families apart

May 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Worcester Telegram & Gazette

Miguel Leal of Fitchburg and six others had the full attention of President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

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Anchor Baby

Leominster, MA

#341 Jun 19, 2013
Genius wrote:
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
PS: "Anchor Baby" is a racist term!
Anchor Baby, Anchor Baby, Anchor Baby!!! Did I just hurt your feelings? Are you gonna go cry now?

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#342 Jun 19, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>It is the removal of a group of people who do NOT have permission to live here...period. Quit trying to make it something it's not.
We have millions of US Citizens who break the law and goto jail and that too "tears families" apart also but you don't hear these pro-illegal groups sympathizing over them. I also bet you that the pro-illegal groups don't even care.

Moral of the story is that the USA is a nation of laws and if anyone not born here decides that they think they're special and attempts to thwart our laws then their is a price to pay and that's called jail and for an illegal alien it's called "deportation".

Now immigration law is not set in stone so I can empathize with their grievances but they've been rather unsuccessful so far.

“Rico's Are Everywhere”

Since: Dec 09

Gangland, North America

#343 Jun 19, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Anchor baby does not refer to a race therefore it cannot be a racist term. While it may be insulting just as being called crook, lazy, ignorant, bastard, whore or any number of insulting things it is not a racist term since it can be applied to people of any race. Just like any of the insults mentioned if the term applies to you then it is not even really an insult.
The term Anchor Baby is used by bigots, racist, nativist and more specifically... arrogant white people on Topix.

Regardless of how you bullsh*t yourself on the meaning of this word.... it's a derogatory epithet that people like you love to hurl as an insult to those who are not like you.

That you cannot change and we all know it.
Just Facts

United States

#344 Jun 19, 2013
Genius wrote:
"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
PS: "Anchor Baby" is a racist term!
Yes, we welcome everone with open arms and a process for them to follow. Come one, come all, but come through our process willingly and openly to do it the right way.

Anchor baby is a term that is factual...take your "its racist" bullshit elsewhere
Dee Dee Dee

Emmaus, PA

#345 Jun 19, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
The term Anchor Baby is used by bigots, racist, nativist and more specifically... arrogant white people on Topix.
Regardless of how you bullsh*t yourself on the meaning of this word.... it's a derogatory epithet that people like you love to hurl as an insult to those who are not like you.
That you cannot change and we all know it.
Yet the term was coined by illegal aliens. HMMMMMM.
Like I said it is only an insult if it is not true. As for a racist like you defining what is and what is not racist that is about the funniest thing I will read today. Unless of course you post some more BS.
Anchor Baby

Leominster, MA

#346 Jun 19, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
The term Anchor Baby is used by bigots, racist, nativist and more specifically... arrogant white people on Topix.
Regardless of how you bullsh*t yourself on the meaning of this word.... it's a derogatory epithet that people like you love to hurl as an insult to those who are not like you.
That you cannot change and we all know it.
Good point. If a baby makes such a great anchor why aren't they being thrown over the side of every boat with a chain on their leg?
Just Facts

United States

#347 Jun 19, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
The term Anchor Baby is used by bigots, racist, nativist and more specifically... arrogant white people on Topix.
Regardless of how you bullsh*t yourself on the meaning of this word.... it's a derogatory epithet that people like you love to hurl as an insult to those who are not like you.
That you cannot change and we all know it.
Hey Rico,

The term "anchor baby" is an absolutely accurate term for the women that come into our country unlawfully and have their child, knowing that the child now allows her to go around our laws instead of doing it the right way...if you don't like the term...tough shit.
Genius

Gardner, MA

#348 Jun 19, 2013
Dee Dee Dee wrote:
<quoted text>
Anchor baby does not refer to a race therefore it cannot be a racist term. While it may be insulting just as being called crook, lazy, ignorant, bastard, whore or any number of insulting things it is not a racist term since it can be applied to people of any race. Just like any of the insults mentioned if the term applies to you then it is not even really an insult.
Make all the excuses you want for using this racial offensive slur that you know damn well refers to Latino's and Latino's only in your mind, racist.

The first response from a racist is always, I'm not a racist, but, you are, if you don't like being called that, "tough sh*t" as has been said.
Justin

United States

#349 Jun 19, 2013
Perhaps one day we'll live in a world where a poor family from Guatemala can move freely to Mexico, or from Pakistan to India, to seek a better life for themselves without having to consider things like borders, citizenship, or immigration laws.
However, we don't live in that world. It has nothing to do with the US Congress or the State of Arizona, it's how the world in general works.
Anchor Baby

Leominster, MA

#350 Jun 19, 2013
Justin wrote:
Perhaps one day we'll live in a world where a poor family from Guatemala can move freely to Mexico, or from Pakistan to India, to seek a better life for themselves without having to consider things like borders, citizenship, or immigration laws.
However, we don't live in that world. It has nothing to do with the US Congress or the State of Arizona, it's how the world in general works.
Good point. Borders are stupid. Why can't we all just get along like Israel and Palastine?
Just Facts

United States

#351 Jun 19, 2013
Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
Make all the excuses you want for using this racial offensive slur that you know damn well refers to Latino's and Latino's only in your mind, racist.
The first response from a racist is always, I'm not a racist, but, you are, if you don't like being called that, "tough sh*t" as has been said.
Wow...for a genius, you're pretty stupid. The term "anchor baby" came from the very people that use it to come here unlawfully. You are the racist by saying that it is Latinos.

You should clean your own mind before telling someone what is in theirs.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#352 Jun 19, 2013
Rico from East Los II wrote:
<quoted text>
We have millions of US Citizens who break the law and goto jail and that too "tears families" apart also but you don't hear these pro-illegal groups sympathizing over them. I also bet you that the pro-illegal groups don't even care.
Moral of the story is that the USA is a nation of laws and if anyone not born here decides that they think they're special and attempts to thwart our laws then their is a price to pay and that's called jail and for an illegal alien it's called "deportation".
Now immigration law is not set in stone so I can empathize with their grievances but they've been rather unsuccessful so far.
True enough! Good to see you. How did graduation go?
The border has to be sealed before any more step are taken. These gumbas have proven themselves to be nto very trustworthy, and I am willing to be that they don't even know all the fine points of this bill they are touting. That is troubling as we see all the flaws that are emerging in healthcare, which was bascially pushed upon us in a very similar fashion. Something has to be done, but whatever gets done is most certainly not going to please everybody. I am really tired of all the lies and manipulations.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#353 Jun 19, 2013
s/b: steps, to be NOT very...
Genius

Gardner, MA

#354 Jun 19, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow...for a genius, you're pretty stupid. The term "anchor baby" came from the very people that use it to come here unlawfully. You are the racist by saying that it is Latinos.
You should clean your own mind before telling someone what is in theirs.
I certainly don't expect you to have any kind of breakthrough but do expect you'll continue down this road of denial and excuses but, kind of like the N word thing, Black people can use it, when YOU use it, it's racist!

And you're IGNORANT!
Genius

Gardner, MA

#355 Jun 19, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>True enough! Good to see you. How did graduation go?
The border has to be sealed before any more step are taken. These gumbas have proven themselves to be nto very trustworthy, and I am willing to be that they don't even know all the fine points of this bill they are touting. That is troubling as we see all the flaws that are emerging in healthcare, which was bascially pushed upon us in a very similar fashion. Something has to be done, but whatever gets done is most certainly not going to please everybody. I am really tired of all the lies and manipulations.
"That is troubling as we see all the flaws that are emerging in healthcare,"

I think you're trying to make the ACA {seem} like "all the flaws" but the reality is, every major piece of Legislation needs some minor tweaks, as for the ACA, IF embraced and implemented with success in mind, it's looking like it will be very successful...

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/health/health...

"For most of this year, we've heard a steady drumbeat of pessimism that the costs of health insurance policies under the new plans to be managed by state-based Exchanges or Marketplaces will be unaffordable, dooming the success of the Affordable Care Act. In the past two weeks, though, we seen evidence from Oregon, Maryland, and now California that premiums will be far below the doom-and-gloom levels predicted by the pessimists."

And those levels are for purchasers with household income over 400 percent of the federal poverty level ($44,680 for a single adult). The vast majority of applicants will be in households with incomes below that, and thus eligible for premium subsidies and cost-sharing protections.

This did not happen by accident.

California, along with a number of other progressive states, decided to make their new Exchange along the "active purchaser" model, rather than just posting whatever insurers want to sell. Peter Lee, the Executive Director of the California Health Benefit Exchange, is an experienced and smart health policy leader with a long history of active purchasing.

This development rebuts assertions that Massachusetts' success with our Health Connector was an aberration because we started out with a much lower level of uninsurance than in most other states. California has among the highest uninsurance rates in the nation, and an unreformed individual health insurance market. If it works in California, that argument is moot.

This is bad news for those fervently desiring an unmitigated ACA implementation disaster this fall and next year. If a group of active and prepared states can show that the ACA model works, the question arises: what's wrong with the leaders in all those other states who can't get it right? It's no longer the ACA model under the microscope, it's state leaders who lack the interest or the smarts to get it right."

It is no longer credible for the ACA-resisting states to suggest that they have a better idea. They have had more than three years now to formulate, advance and enact it, and not one has done so. There's only one conclusion that makes sense when it comes to the majorities of lawmakers in these states -- they just don't care about hundreds of thousands or millions of their fellow citizens without health insurance. Shame on them."

You're riding the doom and gloom bus to nowhere!

The House has spent more money on voting to repeal a law (37 TIMES!)(which is not, ever, going to happen) than any of those Red states have even spent for time on considering how to use it for the most benefit!
Anchor Baby

Leominster, MA

#356 Jun 19, 2013
Genius wrote:
<quoted text>
I certainly don't expect you to have any kind of breakthrough but do expect you'll continue down this road of denial and excuses but, kind of like the N word thing, Black people can use it, when YOU use it, it's racist!
And you're IGNORANT!
F you. You white bread cracker.
Sam

Oostende, Belgium

#357 Jun 19, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Sam,
I thought you had better sense than to make such a stupid claim. To claim that deporting "lawbreakers" is genocide is a ridiculous statement and is a failed effort at using emotion to obtain agreement. I can't blame you for trying it, but that won't work on those of us that see through all of that to the plain facts.
If people from other countries would stop trying to come here, for whatever reason, without processing through our system the proper way, we wouldn't have the issues to begin with...put the responsibility where it belongs.
If parents stopped bringing there children here, we wouldn't have people growing up here in that situation. It is their fault for doing it!
If women didn't come into our country to have a child (anchor baby), they wouldn't be in a situation that might get them deported while the child is supposed to remain here because the child is a US Citizen. It is her fault for doing it!
Place the blame and the negative consequences back on the shoulders of the people responsible for causing the problem and quit making excuses for them to break the law.
Altering someone's quotes, ignoring proposed solutions, and focusing on genocide, isn't constructive, unless you're looking to reach the illustration through direction that, for example, Nazi Germany was the law in it's time, while those deemed "lawbreakers" (regardless or not if they are going around breaking laws) were having their rights removed, is similar to removing the rights and humane treatment of all people that claim or are found to have no paperwork.
Mass killings by federal representatives are scarce these days (since that would most likely result in international outrage), but unjustified deaths and "desert drops" do occur from discriminating states such as Arizona.

Currently, people without paperwork are thrown in chambers alongside murderers, while all of their life's assets are seized.

This includes people that have not caused injury to any persons, groups, or materials, which have also not made use of any social services and undocumented minors seeking only to correct their paper situation.

With people continuing to target "illegals" indiscriminately and claims, such as the ones on these comments sections, that these people are insects or otherwise inhuman, my statement that the definition of genocide is hairline to such practice is not inaccurate.

As these people number in the millions, a mass exodus through forceful acts, such as the ones proposed, isn't exactly going to "prevent" the line from being crossed.
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#359 Jun 19, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
So does improperly replying with altered quotes.
I didn't alter anything you posted, I was merely trying to respond to each point you made by inserting those replies between paragraphs. I've done it before, but clearly forgot a step.
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#360 Jun 19, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
So does improperly replying with altered quotes.
Indiscriminate "removal" of "illegals" is a hairline definition of Genocide, which is the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.
With several voices pointing to "Mexican" people sneaking across the border as a justification for complete and total removals of all peoples without paperwork whether or not they are "Mexican," whether or not they have chosen to break any laws, and whether or not they are acting in good faith, this "situation" is quite real.
It's not even closely related to genocide. Deportation and extermination are two completely different things. Furthermore, we have millions of legal immigrants from Mexico. If your emotive definition of genocide was based in fact, there would be an effort to remove them, as well. There isn't any such effort under way. You are over reaching and perhaps letting your emotions get the best of you.

People of every national, racial, political and cultural group can be and are deported. I know three people who have been deported, all three after years of wrangling with the immigration system. One from Poland, one from Ireland and one from Brazil. What did they all have in common? They long overstayed their visas and were therefore, residing in the country illegally. The Polish gentleman left two young adult children here, both of whom are residing here legally, and both of whom are on the legal path to citizenship.

If a person is here in violation of immigration laws, they are breaking the law. It really is that straight forward. There are no addendums in those laws that provide for them to be bent or ignored for any reason. And as in any legal situation, ignorance of the law does not afford forgiveness and cannot be used as an excuse.
Sam

Oostende, Belgium

#361 Jun 20, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not even closely related to genocide. Deportation and extermination are two completely different things. Furthermore, we have millions of legal immigrants from Mexico. If your emotive definition of genocide was based in fact, there would be an effort to remove them, as well. There isn't any such effort under way. You are over reaching and perhaps letting your emotions get the best of you.
People of every national, racial, political and cultural group can be and are deported. I know three people who have been deported, all three after years of wrangling with the immigration system. One from Poland, one from Ireland and one from Brazil. What did they all have in common? They long overstayed their visas and were therefore, residing in the country illegally. The Polish gentleman left two young adult children here, both of whom are residing here legally, and both of whom are on the legal path to citizenship.
If a person is here in violation of immigration laws, they are breaking the law. It really is that straight forward. There are no addendums in those laws that provide for them to be bent or ignored for any reason. And as in any legal situation, ignorance of the law does not afford forgiveness and cannot be used as an excuse.
Indeed they may be, but these "differences" aren't clear for everyone, leading to removals of life or liberty for people without documentation that aren't guilty of taking action against the law.

As I stated, these types of situations do not occur for everyone and the proposals being voiced by others here deal with removing the kids as well, with permanent bans to normal entry rights.

Unjust blocks already happen (while desert drops have been documented) and the "remove all the illegals" effort discriminates people without paperwork from those who have paperwork negatively, in addition to affecting the remainder of their lives when such acts come to pass, due to the extended restrictions placed upon them that separate them from their loved ones.

A misinformed public view IS the "Mexican" hop-over-the-fence illustration, coupled with the "social service leach," which doesn't apply to millions of illegals that are in the US involuntarily. Examples of which you've described yourself.

You deny such efforts,
when the protagonists are voicing themselves here,
and the antagonists offer examples by the pros.

At this point I would ask where such people should petition their case, when the embassy (which couldn't possibly be involved in such efforts) plays a deaf ear to individual circumstance.

Would you guide them to an "international civil court of law?"

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