Immigration laws tear families apart

May 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Worcester Telegram & Gazette

Miguel Leal of Fitchburg and six others had the full attention of President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

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Sam

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teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>You are truly laughable.
I try.
Austinite

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Hi Austinite,
Not all "illegal aliens" are here by choice. Some where taken here when they are little and when they find that out, they are mad and they want to listen to the law.
Those people shouldn't be driving unless the law is fixed.
If you hit an American with no money and no insurance or license,
then you will not get much or any money.
The law is not broken, it is just not enforced or not enforced much.
Illegal aliens brought here as children know later as teens or adults their status and need to leave the country and get in line to legally enter. Instead of knowingly breaking other laws while staying here, illegally.
You missed the entire meaning of my post anyways.

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I try.
You try to justify the actions os those who should not be here, whether they came on their own, or were brought here by their parents. They should be the ones rectifying their status; our government should not even be considering gifting them with the right to remain without imposing heavy fines and substantial back tax repayment. The taxpayers seem to get stuck propping them up at every turn of the corner, and our focus should be on helping get our own people back to work and off the government teat...period. There is no justification for illegal behaviot period, no matter who commits the infractions.
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What is going on at Greenwoods MWCC ?
Sam

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Austinite wrote:
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The law is not broken, it is just not enforced or not enforced much.
Illegal aliens brought here as children know later as teens or adults their status and need to leave the country and get in line to legally enter. Instead of knowingly breaking other laws while staying here, illegally.
You missed the entire meaning of my post anyways.
Some of them do leave Austinite,
but they have their rights to normal entry removed.
Sam

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Jun 16, 2013
 
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>You try to justify the actions os those who should not be here, whether they came on their own, or were brought here by their parents. They should be the ones rectifying their status; our government should not even be considering gifting them with the right to remain without imposing heavy fines and substantial back tax repayment. The taxpayers seem to get stuck propping them up at every turn of the corner, and our focus should be on helping get our own people back to work and off the government teat...period. There is no justification for illegal behaviot period, no matter who commits the infractions.
Teddy4rme,
They aren't "gifted" any rights right now. IF they leave (so that they can enter lawfully), their normal rights are removed.
The kids haven't done anything yet in this scenario, but their normal entry rights are stripped away from them by the government.
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Teddy4rme,
They aren't "gifted" any rights right now. IF they leave (so that they can enter lawfully), their normal rights are removed.
The kids haven't done anything yet in this scenario, but their normal entry rights are stripped away from them by the government.
Their normal entry rights have been stripped away from them by their illegal parents. When are you going to stop blaming the victims that these illegal's jumped in front of and the taxpayers that are being forced to pay for their deportation.
Sam

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Sarah wrote:
<quoted text>Their normal entry rights have been stripped away from them by their illegal parents. When are you going to stop blaming the victims that these illegal's jumped in front of and the taxpayers that are being forced to pay for their deportation.
Their parents do not have power in the US government.

Governmentally removing the rights of a legal "rape" victim and telling everyone their parents have the power in US law to further condemn them is an injustice.
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Sam wrote:
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Their parents do not have power in the US government.
Governmentally removing the rights of a legal "rape" victim and telling everyone their parents have the power in US law to further condemn them is an injustice.
when are you going to realize that no one cares?
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Juan wrote:
Me, i like alot live here,
i have 6 kids with 4 different mommies
hahahahah, they all on welfare collecting food stamps too. we trade stamps for money then get beer and cigarettes.
my kid get free college tuition too, thakyou so much Gov.Patrick
oh u make the country proud,start packing,party is over! Goodbye and take ur wifes and kids
Just Facts

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Sam wrote:
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We were discussing kids that get taken over and immediately report to recruiters and government agencies.
They get sent away and cannot "enter the US legally" under "normal" circumstances. If they report to the government, they are and will be labeled a criminal and their normal entry rights removed; this is before they've done anything.
They get effectively punished for observing the law.
There is little reason to leave and be restricted by the law when you've done nothing wrong (if you really are aware what will happen to you).
Staying and hiding seems logical when the alternative is being forcefully kept from the people you love.
Sam,

The answer for them, under the current circumstances, is to make arrangements in the other country to store the money nessesary for them to leave and file to come back here through our legal process. If the authorities don't know they were here illegally, they cannot hold that against them...right?
Sam

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Just Facts wrote:
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Sam,
The answer for them, under the current circumstances, is to make arrangements in the other country to store the money nessesary for them to leave and file to come back here through our legal process. If the authorities don't know they were here illegally, they cannot hold that against them...right?
Under current circumstances, sneaking out of the country in order to legally enter may work, since lawfully injury might be avoided.

The unfortunate side of that option is the "naive" factor of the individual or the "absolute faith in the US government and law" that brings them to an official in the first place.

Next, there is the issue of not being allowed to work legally (so that you may sneak out to re-enter).

There's also general honesty to consider, which could get them into the barred situation as soon as any amount of their former presence in the US becomes apparent, during any normal entry interviews/paperwork later.

Finally, when you further consider financing:
Their language and cultural understanding is US.

This leads to a direct conflict with the other country, for which they are required to develop strong (likely unwanted) ties, while acquiring such funding that would enable them to return home.

So, while sneaking out of the US may be viable in avoiding legal injury in some cases, actually carrying it out is an issue, while it also fails to address the current state of our legal system regarding these issues.
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Sam wrote:
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Under current circumstances, sneaking out of the country in order to legally enter may work, since lawfully injury might be avoided.
The unfortunate side of that option is the "naive" factor of the individual or the "absolute faith in the US government and law" that brings them to an official in the first place.
Next, there is the issue of not being allowed to work legally (so that you may sneak out to re-enter).
There's also general honesty to consider, which could get them into the barred situation as soon as any amount of their former presence in the US becomes apparent, during any normal entry interviews/paperwork later.
Finally, when you further consider financing:
Their language and cultural understanding is US.
This leads to a direct conflict with the other country, for which they are required to develop strong (likely unwanted) ties, while acquiring such funding that would enable them to return home.
So, while sneaking out of the US may be viable in avoiding legal injury in some cases, actually carrying it out is an issue, while it also fails to address the current state of our legal system regarding these issues.
Why would an illegal alien need to sneak back home?
Honesty? What a farce, they engage in willfull criminal acts while here so honesty will not come into play. I am excusing the infants brought her in terms of being criminals as they had no option but as adults they do and follow the criminal path.
Most have ties back home and speak the language as well, in the case of hispanics they almost excusively speak it here and virtually demand everyone else does and all government welfare and other forms be in their language. Those infants who grew up here and are so American refuse to speak English and will wave a Mexican flag demanding their rights in America.
Illegals send tens of billions of dollars back to their home countries every year so they have no funding issues, clearly they do not.
It is illegal for anybody in America to work without a valid Social Security number. The only exception is that if you are a work visa holder or Green Card holder. If you are one of those then you get an ITN from the IRS to file your taxes with. Illegal aliens have none of these three things so they are legally not allowed to work in this country.
Of course millions of illegal aliens returning to their home countries would be upsetting to those home countries as most of them were glad to be rid of their mostly trash and very happy this trash was sending Dollars back to spent in their home countries. In Mexico alone the monies illegals send home is the thrid largest inco,e for Mexico, behind their national oil company and tourism.
Our immigration laws are fine, they just need to be enforced.

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Yep, an illegal charged with DUI in Phoenix AZ...kills a police officer

Good Going ICE!!!
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http://www.examiner.com/article/previously-de...
Illegal alien aged 37 was deported 4 months ago returned and rapes a 1 month old girl to death.
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Sam, lets be honest. Illegals are not coming to America for jobs. America has made it impossible to run a company here so they all moved to Mexico. The Mexicans said oh shit chico we might have to get a job so they ran to the border and hopped the fence so they could get free stuff from America.
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Austinite wrote:
http://www.examiner.com/articl e/previously-deported-illegal- alien-charged-fatal-rape-of-in fant
Illegal alien aged 37 was deported 4 months ago returned and rapes a 1 month old girl to death.
You don't know all of the facts of that case. Te baby could've instigated it.
Sam

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Austinite wrote:
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Why would an illegal alien need to sneak back home?
Honesty? What a farce, they engage in willfull criminal acts while here so honesty will not come into play. I am excusing the infants brought her in terms of being criminals as they had no option but as adults they do and follow the criminal path.
Most have ties back home and speak the language as well, in the case of hispanics they almost excusively speak it here and virtually demand everyone else does and all government welfare and other forms be in their language. Those infants who grew up here and are so American refuse to speak English and will wave a Mexican flag demanding their rights in America.
Illegals send tens of billions of dollars back to their home countries every year so they have no funding issues, clearly they do not.
It is illegal for anybody in America to work without a valid Social Security number. The only exception is that if you are a work visa holder or Green Card holder. If you are one of those then you get an ITN from the IRS to file your taxes with. Illegal aliens have none of these three things so they are legally not allowed to work in this country.
Of course millions of illegal aliens returning to their home countries would be upsetting to those home countries as most of them were glad to be rid of their mostly trash and very happy this trash was sending Dollars back to spent in their home countries. In Mexico alone the monies illegals send home is the thrid largest inco,e for Mexico, behind their national oil company and tourism.
Our immigration laws are fine, they just need to be enforced.
In that quote, we were still discussing the victims of parents who are undocumented,
who are persecuted as "illegals."

Not all people without documentation are from Mexico.
These people number in the millions.

The American-raised wouldn't be "sneaking back home."
They would be "sneaking to some other country, so that that they can enter home legally."

This is what Just Facts and I were discussing.

Doing so requires funding,
which is generally illegal on the way out,
and a conflict of interest on the way back.

Not all infants or toddlers that grow up in America care for any other country and any other language.
Sam

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You don't know all of the facts of that case. Te baby could've instigated it.
It wouldn't matter Civil Servant Supporter:
Current US immigration law may view the baby as a criminal without needing all of the facts.
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People shouldn't drink and drive. That includes "Americans."
(and insurance companies should protect the person paying them insurance money IMO)
When undocumented people choose to disobey the law,
they are acting as anyone else choosing to disobey the law.
Targeting only the undocumented drunk drivers,
ignoring documented drunk drivers,
and then telling others that are undocumented,
who don't drink or drive,
that they are guilty of that crime as well,
isn't correct.
I can understand that anyone that experiences a drunk driver who is undocumented, may have extended difficulties with financial security, but that issue lies with the way insurance companies work.
A broke American driver with absolutely nothing (including a license), that is drunk and causes someone injury, is going to provide similar complications.
It is not the fault of all undocumented people that someone drank alcohol and stepped in a car without a license.
Every illegal alien who lacks a license and insurance is committing a crime whenever they get behind the wheel, drunk or not.

Almost every legal driver involved in an accident with an illegal alien is dealing with an uninsured driver.

Insurance laws vary from state to state. In some states, auto insurance companies only pay out when the insured is the party who caused the accident, though some medical costs are mandatory.

Other "no fault" states, pay no matter who is found at fault.

There is a limit to how much auto insurance covers, and those limits are often based upon cost to the insured and also vary state to state.

In an accident that causes serious injuries, insurance limits are often quickly exceeded. That debt is assumed by the injured party, who can then go after the other drivers insurance...as long as they have coverage. If they don't have coverage, property, savings and wages can be seized or garnished.

If insurance companies had to pay coverage in perpetuity, none of us would be able to afford any insurance. Their money does not grow on trees.

If that accident involves an illegal alien, who typically carries no ID, who works under the table, who doesn't keep his/her money in a bank and doesn't own property...the injured party is stuck with the bills.

And as an officer at the scene of my sister in law's accident acridly observed, these people never have ID, an address, a job, a phone number or money to pay for their own medical treatment...but they always have plenty of cash to pay their bail.

So if a citizen finds themselves in this unlucky situation, odds are 50 to 1 that the driver is not a destitute American citizen, but an illegal alien.

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