Immigration laws tear families apart

May 25, 2013 Full story: Worcester Telegram & Gazette 438

Miguel Leal of Fitchburg and six others had the full attention of President Barack Obama and Vice President Joseph Biden in the Oval Office on Tuesday.

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spud

Bangor, PA

#210 Jun 10, 2013
How about lets say it like it is. Illegal immigration tears families apart, not immigration laws. All laws tear families apart when someone gets caught and punished. So what. Is this a call to remove all laws or what?
Just Facts

United States

#211 Jun 10, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
The child is not "illegal" and I'm not comparing you with the parents. It's always easier to blanket an "enemy," but that doesn't make it right. Tactile engagement is the key to US intelligence. We did define the computer.
If the child wasn't born here, he/she is illegal. Get the point?

If the child is born here, that person is an American citizen and you have no argument for that...gawd your thick.
Sam

Antwerpen, Belgium

#212 Jun 10, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
If the child wasn't born here, he/she is illegal. Get the point?
If the child is born here, that person is an American citizen and you have no argument for that...gawd your thick.
"We donít define people as illegal and we donít classify peopleís entire being based on one action."

"The phrase is linguistically illogical: it defines people as illegal rather than their actions."

The child has taken no action against the law, has upon being informed of their situation, gone to the law, yet is punished by the law for being an "illegal," upon doing so.
Sam

Antwerpen, Belgium

#213 Jun 10, 2013
spud wrote:
How about lets say it like it is. Illegal immigration tears families apart, not immigration laws. All laws tear families apart when someone gets caught and punished. So what. Is this a call to remove all laws or what?
Unwarranted acts of discrimination inside or outside the US by federal representatives incite equal unwarranted actions by the people being discriminated against. If a law-abiding citizen criminalized and those "legal" methods of entry or acceptance removed without warrant, then those individuals in turn have few options within the law, and many times end up spawning further dissent and illegal actions.

Your claims of law assume that those practicing observe it,
no matter who they are.

Defending law breakers within the system doesn't help stop the case of laws being broken by those outside the system.

If "Alex" in X country at the US Embassy decides, "Fuck it, I feel bad today." and removes the right to entry of individuals for the sake there of, those individuals will have a hard time or may never be able to correct the situation from the outside.

Top that off with people in the US telling them "Ha, people come in legally all the time." and you get an individual who enters the US illegally to see their friends.

Now, I've been telling you about children.

Here you have a people that all they believe in is doing their duty and their service to the country.

Let's add you're "they're illegal" (which doesn't even make sense), claim to them, and when they graduate, obeying every law and being a model citizen, come to us, LOCK THEM UP, SEIZE THEIR STUFF, AND SHIP EM OFF!'hahaha'

What do you think this now ill-treated observer of the law ends up like on the outside, after being effectively "raped" by people that don't understand the difference between not having paperwork and taking actions against the law?

This is a cycle that needs to be called out.
Austinite

Austin, TX

#214 Jun 10, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
"We donít define people as illegal and we donít classify peopleís entire being based on one action."
"The phrase is linguistically illogical: it defines people as illegal rather than their actions."
The child has taken no action against the law, has upon being informed of their situation, gone to the law, yet is punished by the law for being an "illegal," upon doing so.
Illegal implies their illegal presence in the country and not their physical being of self as a person.
spud

Bangor, PA

#215 Jun 10, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
Unwarranted acts of discrimination inside or outside the US by federal representatives incite equal unwarranted actions by the people being discriminated against. If a law-abiding citizen criminalized and those "legal" methods of entry or acceptance removed without warrant, then those individuals in turn have few options within the law, and many times end up spawning further dissent and illegal actions.
Your claims of law assume that those practicing observe it,
no matter who they are.
Defending law breakers within the system doesn't help stop the case of laws being broken by those outside the system.
If "Alex" in X country at the US Embassy decides, "Fuck it, I feel bad today." and removes the right to entry of individuals for the sake there of, those individuals will have a hard time or may never be able to correct the situation from the outside.
Top that off with people in the US telling them "Ha, people come in legally all the time." and you get an individual who enters the US illegally to see their friends.
Now, I've been telling you about children.
Here you have a people that all they believe in is doing their duty and their service to the country.
Let's add you're "they're illegal" (which doesn't even make sense), claim to them, and when they graduate, obeying every law and being a model citizen, come to us, LOCK THEM UP, SEIZE THEIR STUFF, AND SHIP EM OFF!'hahaha'
What do you think this now ill-treated observer of the law ends up like on the outside, after being effectively "raped" by people that don't understand the difference between not having paperwork and taking actions against the law?
This is a cycle that needs to be called out.
I'd like to reply to you but I'm not sure what you said. Sorry.

“Liberal Teachers ruin Kids”

Since: Mar 09

Paradise Valley Arizona

#216 Jun 10, 2013
Illegal aliens linked to rise in crime statistics

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/060...
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#217 Jun 10, 2013
Vance1 wrote:
Illegal aliens linked to rise in crime statistics
http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/kouri/060...
Shouldn't you be sending that to scoobie dubio?

hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Orville

Vancouver, WA

#218 Jun 10, 2013
Deport them and make them one happy family again.
North American Proud

Miami, FL

#219 Jun 10, 2013
Visit any ICE/DHS detention center and you see many of the families are a US born spouse + immigrant spouse. Therefore, the children are probably US citizens or even dual citizens. Now, imagine all those recent 2 million immigrants recently deported by the government. If each had 2 children, you now have 2 million spouses and 4 million US born children growing up without a parent. Result: 2 million anti government deportees outside the US and 6 million anti government torn apart family members inside the US. SOLUTION: keep the 8 million family members together inside the US.
NYM8387

United States

#221 Jun 10, 2013
North American Proud wrote:
Visit any ICE/DHS detention center and you see many of the families are a US born spouse + immigrant spouse. Therefore, the children are probably US citizens or even dual citizens. Now, imagine all those recent 2 million immigrants recently deported by the government. If each had 2 children, you now have 2 million spouses and 4 million US born children growing up without a parent. Result: 2 million anti government deportees outside the US and 6 million anti government torn apart family members inside the US. SOLUTION: keep the 8 million family members together inside the US.
negative,you say that as if it's something to be afraid of. Deport all illegal aliens and end birthright citizenship.If anchor babies grown up And up and commit crimes against thier own country,then they will be dealt with,just like anyother group of terrorist
Chicopee

Danbury, CT

#222 Jun 11, 2013
Ah der wrote:
<quoted text>You are 100% correct but this list unfortunately can go on and on. Ever had to bring someone to the emergency room at a hospital? You have to wait in line because little illegal Chico has the sniffles.
Oh, yes. We have one of the largest hospitals in the state here in Danbury, Ct..

We also, for several years, had the highest per capita population of illegal aliens in the country.

My daughter hurt herself playing field hockey...around 8:30 pm on a Thursday and after watching the injured limb continue to swell and turn some interesting red, blue and purple colors, I decided to go to the ER.

It's a very large ER, with two sections. One for injuries, one for illnesses which might be contagious, like flus or noro viruses.

We walked in and came to a screeching halt. Standing room only. We turned around and walked out, then had to drive three towns to the north for another hospital.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#223 Jun 11, 2013
North American Proud wrote:
Visit any ICE/DHS detention center and you see many of the families are a US born spouse + immigrant spouse. Therefore, the children are probably US citizens or even dual citizens. Now, imagine all those recent 2 million immigrants recently deported by the government. If each had 2 children, you now have 2 million spouses and 4 million US born children growing up without a parent. Result: 2 million anti government deportees outside the US and 6 million anti government torn apart family members inside the US. SOLUTION: keep the 8 million family members together inside the US.
Rewarding illegals for their disregard of our laws is not the answer. The spouses are guilty of aiding and abetting.
Sam

Belgium

#224 Jun 11, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>Rewarding illegals for their disregard of our laws is not the answer. The spouses are guilty of aiding and abetting.
The infants and toddlers are not disregarded our laws, but they are still judged "guilty" and have a lifelong stigma placed upon them, while their normal travel rights are revoked etc etc.

For some cases where adults enter the US "unlawfully," they have also, prior to that action, not committed crimes, and in many cases have had their rights to free travel already revoked for similar reasons.

They are kept from visiting their friends and affections for YEARS without considerations by embassy personnel on their pleas (this is all prior to them actually breaking ANY laws).

In one of these cases, the individual breaks the law, but is doing so by unjust and unrighteous design of discriminatory federal staff, and in the other case, the individual has broken no law and is put into prison and criminalized.

Drinking and driving is against the law,
but not having paperwork isn't always by choice.

Being grouped into terms used to carry out hate crimes through no action of your own is called discrimination.

Hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, NATIONALITY, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, are against US law.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#225 Jun 11, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
The infants and toddlers are not disregarded our laws, but they are still judged "guilty" and have a lifelong stigma placed upon them, while their normal travel rights are revoked etc etc.
For some cases where adults enter the US "unlawfully," they have also, prior to that action, not committed crimes, and in many cases have had their rights to free travel already revoked for similar reasons.
They are kept from visiting their friends and affections for YEARS without considerations by embassy personnel on their pleas (this is all prior to them actually breaking ANY laws).
In one of these cases, the individual breaks the law, but is doing so by unjust and unrighteous design of discriminatory federal staff, and in the other case, the individual has broken no law and is put into prison and criminalized.
Drinking and driving is against the law,
but not having paperwork isn't always by choice.
Being grouped into terms used to carry out hate crimes through no action of your own is called discrimination.
Hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, NATIONALITY, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, are against US law.
How do they get hired? That's an easy answer, with fake or stolen documents. Ho do they get to their stolen jobs? Another no brainer, in their vehicles, although they don't have a licens or insurance. Their actions say enough. They cheat, lie and steal to take things of which they aren't privy. By the way, they choose to break our laws, therefore they should expect to face the consequences when and if they are caught.

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#226 Jun 11, 2013
s/b: How, license

“Work hard at work worth doing.”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#227 Jun 11, 2013
Sam wrote:
<quoted text>
The infants and toddlers are not disregarded our laws, but they are still judged "guilty" and have a lifelong stigma placed upon them, while their normal travel rights are revoked etc etc.
For some cases where adults enter the US "unlawfully," they have also, prior to that action, not committed crimes, and in many cases have had their rights to free travel already revoked for similar reasons.
They are kept from visiting their friends and affections for YEARS without considerations by embassy personnel on their pleas (this is all prior to them actually breaking ANY laws).
In one of these cases, the individual breaks the law, but is doing so by unjust and unrighteous design of discriminatory federal staff, and in the other case, the individual has broken no law and is put into prison and criminalized.
Drinking and driving is against the law,
but not having paperwork isn't always by choice.
Being grouped into terms used to carry out hate crimes through no action of your own is called discrimination.
Hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, NATIONALITY, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability, are against US law.
I doesn't matter how old they are when they enter our country, they are still disregarding our laws...their parents are teaching them that it's okay to ignore or disobey our laws. Not exactly the best role models for young children. Don't think for a minute that many of these kids don't grow up with the same mindset, and act upon that notion.
Line jumping criminals

Hondo, NM

#228 Jun 11, 2013
Deport them all together, happy, happy!
Sam

Belgium

#229 Jun 11, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>I doesn't matter how old they are when they enter our country, they are still disregarding our laws...their parents are teaching them that it's okay to ignore or disobey our laws. Not exactly the best role models for young children. Don't think for a minute that many of these kids don't grow up with the same mindset, and act upon that notion.
I'm not sure you read the last comment, or prior citations.

Infants and many toddlers cannot yet regard "laws," (consider and understand their meanings and decide on appropriate actions).

They are not "disregarding" (or doing anything other than existing, really) a law that says they cannot stay more than XX days in the US.

Furthermore, I've just pointed out that the federal agent in some cases is disregarding the law, unjustly causing extreme hardships upon their victim.

These people have no "Civil court of the world" to report to and efforts to fight such actions may result in years and years of being subjected to unlawful treatment, through the continued denial of services for the well-meaning individual.

When law becomes more important than right or wrong,
and not the other way around,
we destroy the whole notion of what is generally regarded as humanity.
Sam

Belgium

#231 Jun 11, 2013
teddyr4me wrote:
<quoted text>How do they get hired? That's an easy answer, with fake or stolen documents. Ho do they get to their stolen jobs? Another no brainer, in their vehicles, although they don't have a licens or insurance. Their actions say enough. They cheat, lie and steal to take things of which they aren't privy. By the way, they choose to break our laws, therefore they should expect to face the consequences when and if they are caught.
You are citing individuals who have worked and have driven cars; Several undocumented people fresh out of school have performed neither of these acts, yet you include them in your target.

The fact that an "insurance" company doesn't "insure" or "protect" the person paying them (but rather it protects the offenders), is also another topic.

If you feel that insurance companies should pay and support the people paying them, rather than other individuals (for example, since motor vehicles were brought up), then that is a topic for another discussion and a movement should be made to change those companies.

Driving without a license IS illegal, however.

That doesn't stop all other offenders outside of your target from breaking this law.

It should also be noted that a license is the equivalent to a national ID in the United States and is therefore another method of restricting those that would otherwise qualify for a license to drive a vehicle.

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