Judge OKs mill demolition - Sentinel & Enterprise

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It's only a matter of time before the dilapidated mill building at 794 Westminster Hill Road crumbles into the Nashua River, City Solicitor Michael Ciota told Gardner Housing Court Judge Diane Horan in housing court Tuesday.
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outraged

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Jul 28, 2010
 
This is NOT a legal use of community development block grant money. CDBG funds are to be used to improve neighborhoods and provide better sidewalks, safer neighborhoods, fund programs for seniors, the disabled and children. That is not the mayor's pocket change to be used however she wants. Use the rainy day fund for unexpected expenses and then chase the property owner for the demolition cost.

None of the other dilapidated fire traps in this city have been an emergency. What's so different about this one? Got plans for that property, Lisa?
Mike fom Leominster

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Jul 28, 2010
 
outraged wrote:
This is NOT a legal use of community development block grant money. CDBG funds are to be used to improve neighborhoods and provide better sidewalks, safer neighborhoods, fund programs for seniors, the disabled and children. That is not the mayor's pocket change to be used however she wants. Use the rainy day fund for unexpected expenses and then chase the property owner for the demolition cost.
None of the other dilapidated fire traps in this city have been an emergency. What's so different about this one? Got plans for that property, Lisa?
You're being ridiculous. Yeah, the mayor has plans for an isolated mill lot in the middle of nowhere. Okay.

If she were paying no mind to it you'd say she only cares about downtown and not residents on the outskirts.
Excuse me

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Jul 28, 2010
 
outraged wrote:
This is NOT a legal use of community development block grant money. CDBG funds are to be used to improve neighborhoods and provide better sidewalks, safer neighborhoods, fund programs for seniors, the disabled and children. That is not the mayor's pocket change to be used however she wants. Use the rainy day fund for unexpected expenses and then chase the property owner for the demolition cost.
None of the other dilapidated fire traps in this city have been an emergency. What's so different about this one? Got plans for that property, Lisa?
You put it down yourself!

"provide better sidewalks, safer neighborhoods,"

THe building sits less that 4 feet from the road, that's why she closed it. To accuse her of having a plan for it is just ridiculousness!
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Jul 28, 2010
 
"... Community Development Block Grant Program (CDBG). These programs provide funds for rehabilitation of owner occupied housing, first time homebuyer acquisition and rehabilitation, rental property rehabilitation and demolition." (quote form link below)

"NOT a legal use of community development block grant money..."-outraged

LOL. It takes so little time to do some research. I think outrage is so outraged because he has no idea whats going on or how the government works.

http://www.ci.fitchburg.ma.us/government/depa...
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Fitchburg, MA

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#6
Jul 28, 2010
 
this property owner should be ashamed of herself. this resident is going to let HER OWN city take the financial hit due to her neglect? she should be run out of here on a rail. Go somewhere else, leach.
I wish

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Jul 28, 2010
 
More people understood how challenging it is to do the big things this city needs done.

Here is a clear example; a property owner/wannabe developer who made a poor investment over 20 years ago has let it fester, Now a city in a weakened environment is forced to deal with the public safety concern. This could cost hundreds of thousands to demolish and the city is faced with school season approaching, not to mention winter. And that is a nasty detour set up. Hundreds of thousands is not easy to scrounge up.

Is it a bum deal that it was aloud to fester all those years (administrations)? Yes, of course, but clearly the city has been proactive in reforming the building dept. So it is only natural that they would discover more issues needing urgent attention seeing they have significantly increased code enforcement.

Oh and the mill sits above the river for pete's sake!

I wish people had a better nature of federalism and how the different levels of government operated.

Since: Oct 07

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#8
Jul 28, 2010
 
That building has been just sitting there deteriorating for decades. If she hasn't been able to get a redevelopment effort in action in 22 years I don't see it happening before tons of bricks end up in the river and in the roads. As someone that drives by that building everyday I'm glad the city is on the stick about this as I have been wondering for awhile how much of a danger that place was.

I just think it stinks that ultimately the tax payers in the city are going to end up footing the bill for Lamb's incompetence.
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#9
Jul 28, 2010
 
just to be a pain, i drive by this mill every morning on the way to work and well, its not on the nashua river... its nearby, but the geography is a bit off

that is all
the burg

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Jul 29, 2010
 
does the owner of this rat trap have any other property in town that the city can put a lien on??.. the thing is the bldg has been this bad for many yrs you just need to come from the sanborn st side to see the shape it has been for so long. it should have been on the demolition lists long ago. then it would not be the big problem - detour it now has become.
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#11
Jul 29, 2010
 
Is this property that has been falling down for the past twenty years by any chance on the steamrail line or whatever that greenbelt along the Nashua is called?

Has Lanciani looked at any of the abandoned city buildings to see how many emergencies there are there too? Just waiting for a fire and nothing has been done to dispose of them....

Point the finger at private property owners after the city cleans up its own act.

The Lamb property is an eyesore, has been for a generation. That doesn't make it an emergency. There is a right way - the condemnation procedure.

Due process isn't a strong suit in this administration. And why did this go to Gardner instead of Fitchburg Housing Court?

Anyone smell fish?

Since: Mar 09

Leominster, MA

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Jul 29, 2010
 
"And why did this go to Gardner instead of Fitchburg Housing Court?"

Psssst, it's the same county, same court, same circuit, same judge. Please don't let your hatred and paranoia make you look (more) silly.
YOU ARE WRONG

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Jul 29, 2010
 
question wrote:
Is this property that has been falling down for the past twenty years by any chance on the steamrail line or whatever that greenbelt along the Nashua is called?
Has Lanciani looked at any of the abandoned city buildings to see how many emergencies there are there too? Just waiting for a fire and nothing has been done to dispose of them....
Point the finger at private property owners after the city cleans up its own act.
The Lamb property is an eyesore, has been for a generation. That doesn't make it an emergency. There is a right way - the condemnation procedure.
Due process isn't a strong suit in this administration. And why did this go to Gardner instead of Fitchburg Housing Court?
Anyone smell fish?
From the Worcester Telegram on July 20, 2010:

"The building at 88 Oak Hill Road is one of several buildings being scheduled for demolition because they are health, fire, safety and environmental hazards and/or serve as attractive nuisances, posing a danger to children in the area. The buildings continue to deteriorate the longer they remain vacant.

The list of buildings to be torn down is still being worked on, but is likely to include a dozen or more. It was created by a task force made up of the city building commissioner, fire inspector, a representative of the Board of Health and a neutral party who visited buildings reported to be in bad shape or abandoned.

Mr. McNutt said that once properties were identified as at-risk, or already blighted, members of the task force visited them to determine if they were salvageable. He said some properties were found to have potential to be put back into productive use. Those were placed in receivership and are being worked on, with an eye toward returning them to the tax rolls.

Those seen as too far gone were placed on the list for demolition and a demolition lien was placed against the property. The city then followed a legal process before moving forward with plans to tear down the buildings.

Mr. McNutt said it has been a necessarily slow process to ensure the city does not face legal problems after the buildings are removed."

Any more questions, one who smells fish?
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Jul 29, 2010
 
YOU ARE WRONG wrote:
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From the Worcester Telegram on July 20, 2010:
"The building at 88 Oak Hill Road is one of several buildings being scheduled for demolition because they are health, fire, safety and environmental hazards and/or serve as attractive nuisances, posing a danger to children in the area. The buildings continue to deteriorate the longer they remain vacant.
The list of buildings to be torn down is still being worked on, but is likely to include a dozen or more. It was created by a task force made up of the city building commissioner, fire inspector, a representative of the Board of Health and a neutral party who visited buildings reported to be in bad shape or abandoned.
Mr. McNutt said that once properties were identified as at-risk, or already blighted, members of the task force visited them to determine if they were salvageable. He said some properties were found to have potential to be put back into productive use. Those were placed in receivership and are being worked on, with an eye toward returning them to the tax rolls.
Those seen as too far gone were placed on the list for demolition and a demolition lien was placed against the property. The city then followed a legal process before moving forward with plans to tear down the buildings.
Mr. McNutt said it has been a necessarily slow process to ensure the city does not face legal problems after the buildings are removed."
Any more questions, one who smells fish?
Ah yah. Note that all the other properties followed a slow due process. Overnight this one became an "emergency" that .... oops ... won't be addressed until at least September.

Herring? Cod?

Why so much anger in you? Even your all caps screen name shouts. Tone it down. Yet another brainwashed Wong Mooney who would like to drown anyone who questions Madame Fuhrer into the Nashua River.
john

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Jul 29, 2010
 
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wow you just don't get it. Did you bother to read the article? What is fishy? You can't just go around tearing down buildings. The owner had a court order to do something about the building by JUNE. Nothing was done and the city has been after her to do something about the building for over 20 years. Sounds like long due process to me.

I would like to add that the CDBG has the right and will place a lien against the property owners for the cost of the demoliition.

Also the CDBG is a federal and state funded program.
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Jul 29, 2010
 
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Ah yah. Note that all the other properties followed a slow due process. Overnight this one became an "emergency" that .... oops ... won't be addressed until at least September.
Herring? Cod?
Why so much anger in you? Even your all caps screen name shouts. Tone it down. Yet another brainwashed Wong Mooney who would like to drown anyone who questions Madame Fuhrer into the Nashua River.
Wrong on all counts. Edited my screen name, that better for you? Didn't realize you were so fragile. From the article:

"Because Sylvia Lamb, the owner of the trust that holds the mill building, was found in contempt of a court order to remedy the problem in June, Horan ordered that she produce financial records in order to determine whether she has assets that could help the city pay for the work. A hearing on the matter will take place in Fitchburg District Court on Sept. 10."

The Judge set the date of September 10th, not the Mayor. You really need to get a grip on reality and knock off the conspiracy bullsh..
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Jul 29, 2010
 
But if she uses up all the CDBG money tearing down buildings on private property there won't be any left to tear down decrepit city buildings or destroy any more parks.

So much for a summer on the riverfront this year. Just wait until the city gets the final bill for all the remediation that's going to have to be done there. You only though Mylott was a big spender.
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Jul 29, 2010
 
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But if she uses up all the CDBG money tearing down buildings on private property there won't be any left to tear down decrepit city buildings or destroy any more parks.
So much for a summer on the riverfront this year. Just wait until the city gets the final bill for all the remediation that's going to have to be done there. You only though Mylott was a big spender.
The city has not and will not need to spend a dime on the work at the park. All grant funded. TRC will most likely be fined by DEP and the fine will go to the state same as where the grant funding came from.

Yes one summer went by while one park was worked on, but never mind the (40)(forty) other parks you could use in the city.

Why doesn't research or facts interest you?
Mike fom Leominster

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Jul 30, 2010
 
research do some wrote:
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The city has not and will not need to spend a dime on the work at the park. All grant funded. TRC will most likely be fined by DEP and the fine will go to the state same as where the grant funding came from.
Yes one summer went by while one park was worked on, but never mind the (40)(forty) other parks you could use in the city.
Why doesn't research or facts interest you?
Because she hates the mayor and is jealous of her, and facts don't support her rage on this issue.
Ignoring facts

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Jul 30, 2010
 
Mike fom Leominster wrote:
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Because she hates the mayor and is jealous of her, and facts don't support her rage on this issue.
Pretending facts don't exist doesn't change their existence, any more than everyone being afraid to name Lisa Wong as the FRA project director who signed off on the fraudulent documents (word "fraud" was used in the meeting, see tape).

There is no more grant money for Riverfront Park. It was spent already.

TRC may or may not have to pay for the remediation. It will go into executive session, suit will be filed or not filed, and more money will quietly disappear from the city coffers as in all the legal settlements that have been paid out over the past couple of years.

I have nothing against Lisa Wong except that she is a spoiled, arrogant kid who knows nothing about running a city and accepts no accountability. She needs some time in the business sector supporting herself and she needs to learn a bit about real life. She is by far the worst mayor this city has ever endured.

She will not stand a chance of reelection if someone like Joe Solomito runs against her.
I love reality immensely

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#21
Aug 24, 2010
 
The building hasn't fallen since 1988 or the 100 plus years of its' existence either. Is their a structural engineer with a take on the matter? Or just judges and a city lawyer. I'd like to know if pushing the owner benafets a developer in the area that is close with city officials. God knows, I must have seen that more than once.

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