Will Republicans hold us all hostage again this year

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Zombieplatform

Gardner, MA

#1 Mar 13, 2013
It's hard to believe, but the economy is actually starting to look pretty good. The latest job numbers were strong; the latest manufacturing figures were very encouraging; the housing sector is looking increasingly strong; Wall Street is up; and the new retail-sales numbers were so good, "it's hard to imagine how the numbers could have been stronger."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

All Americans really have to worry about now is their elected lawmakers acting against their interests on purpose.

Take, for example, what the House's top Republican said late last week...

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) on Thursday said he would continue to insist that the next debt-ceiling increase be accompanied by matching spending cuts, raising the prospect of a high-stakes showdown when the borrowing limit expires this spring.

...and what the Senate's top Republican said yesterday.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said Tuesday that Republicans will use the expiration of the debt limit this summer as leverage to get President Obama to consider entitlement reforms. This could set up a standoff over the nation's borrowing authority similar to the one that resulted in the nation losing its credit rating in 2011.[...]

"We all anticipate that the president's request of us to raise the debt ceiling, which we'll probably do sometime this will generate another, hopefully, another discussion about solving the real problem," he said.

For the record, McConnell has long struggled to understand this despite more than a quarter of a century on the Hill, but a debt-ceiling increase is not something presidents "request of" Congress. Rather, Congress allocates funds and the White House lets lawmakers know when the bill is due.

Regardless, what Congress' top two Republicans are arguing is that they're once again ready to hold the nation hostage, threatening to crash the economy deliberately unless President Obama gives them what they want.

Indeed, it's not just Boehner and McConnell -- Paul Ryan is also publicly making similar threats.

To reiterate a point from last week, I'm still skeptical about the seriousness of the GOP rhetoric. The threats only work if everyone, including the White House, believes that Republicans genuinely want another damaging debt-ceiling crisis and are fully prepared to hurt the country on purpose -- again.

There's reason for skepticism. As you'll recall, Republicans all but admitted a couple of months ago that they were bluffing and weren't actually going to allow the nation to default, and it's awfully tough to go back to Democrats with this message: "Sure, we were bluffing in January, but this time we're really prepared to hurt Americans."

"Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), yesterday:

Sen. John Cornyn of Texas, the Republican whip, said in Houston Thursday that Congress will not allow an impasse over raising the debt ceiling to result in the federal government defaulting on its spending obligations.

"We will raise the debt ceiling. We're not going to default on our debt," Cornyn told the Houston Chronicle editorial board.... "I will tell you unequivocally, we're not going to default," Cornyn said Thursday."

In the meantime, nothing can upset a burgeoning economic recovery like two of the nation's most powerful policymakers publicly threatening to trash full faith and credit of the United States.

Wolf has been cried several times by these nutjob children, if we don't get what we want, we'll burn the house down!
Easily confused

Leominster, MA

#2 Mar 13, 2013
I we did't have a Republican President and Congress things would be different!
Joe

Gardner, MA

#3 Mar 17, 2013
Apparently, they will.
Jtn

Concord, MA

#4 Mar 17, 2013
Easily confused wrote:
I we did't have a Republican President and Congress things would be different!
as long as its not won go
Notice

Gardner, MA

#5 Mar 18, 2013
If all agree there is no debt "crisis" and all believe there are JOBS and Growth problems, why are Republicans all running around talking about a debt and deficit "crisis"?

"Last week, President Obama sat down with George Stephanopoulos, and when the discussion turned to the national debt, the president shared a simple fact: "We don't have an immediate crisis."

For reasons unclear, the comment was not well received by Republicans and many in the media, with some suggesting a bipartisan debt-reduction agreement may be dependent, at least in part, on Obama saying the opposite.

But then a funny thing happened. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) unveiled his budget plan, and it also conceded there is no immediate debt crisis. Yesterday, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) made the same concession to Martha Raddatz.

RADDATZ: Is [Obama] right that we don't have an immediate crisis?

BOEHNER: We do not have an immediate debt crisis, but we all know that we have one looming.

Moments later Raddatz clarified further, asking, "So you agree with the president on that?" The Speaker added, "Yes."

This is not to say Boehner and Obama are on the same page when it comes to fiscal issues -- in general, they're very far apart -- but for all the handwringing last week about the president saying there is no debt crisis, it seems to be one of the few areas of bipartisan agreement. Obama, Boehner, and Ryan are all saying roughly the same thing about the nature and the timeframe of the challenge: there may be dangers on the horizon, but as of right now, the so-called "crisis" doesn't exist.

And at this point, any area of bipartisan consensus in the fiscal debate is welcome.

I should note, of course, that the idea that there's a "looming" crisis is itself problematic -- there's very little evidence to suggest there's an actual problem anywhere on the horizon. Interest rates are low, inflation is low, and it's never been easier for the United States to borrow at will. If we look for indicators of a genuine crisis in the near future -- Boehner told ABC "nobody knows" how long the nation has before there's a real problem -- we generally come up empty.

But if policymakers in both parties insist on addressing fiscal issues anyway, they're going to have to compromise. What kind of deal is the House Speaker prepared to consider? One in which the White House gives him everything he wants.

Told that Obama is offering entitlement reforms as part of a compromise, Boehner didn't care.

This is neither new nor surprising, but it does put this talk of an alleged "crisis" in an interesting light. According to the Speaker of the House, there's a "looming" debt crisis which will cause the nation real harm. And according to the Speaker of the House, he and his party aren't willing to compromise to address this crisis before is strikes.

This leads to two possibilities: either Boehner doesn't really believe there's a "looming" debt crisis, or believes the threat to the nation's wellbeing is real and he just doesn't much care about preventing it.

I'd love to know which of these two is accurate, but for now, we can only speculate."
Steve Benen
Just Facts

United States

#6 Mar 18, 2013
Notice wrote:
If all agree there is no debt "crisis" and all believe there are JOBS and Growth problems, why are Republicans all running around talking about a debt and deficit "crisis"?
"Last week, President Obama sat down with George Stephanopoulos, and when the discussion turned to the national debt, the president shared a simple fact: "We don't have an immediate crisis."
For reasons unclear, the comment was not well received by Republicans and many in the media, with some suggesting a bipartisan debt-reduction agreement may be dependent, at least in part, on Obama saying the opposite.
But then a funny thing happened. House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) unveiled his budget plan, and it also conceded there is no immediate debt crisis. Yesterday, House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) made the same concession to Martha Raddatz.
RADDATZ: Is [Obama] right that we don't have an immediate crisis?
BOEHNER: We do not have an immediate debt crisis, but we all know that we have one looming.
Moments later Raddatz clarified further, asking, "So you agree with the president on that?" The Speaker added, "Yes."
This is not to say Boehner and Obama are on the same page when it comes to fiscal issues -- in general, they're very far apart -- but for all the handwringing last week about the president saying there is no debt crisis, it seems to be one of the few areas of bipartisan agreement. Obama, Boehner, and Ryan are all saying roughly the same thing about the nature and the timeframe of the challenge: there may be dangers on the horizon, but as of right now, the so-called "crisis" doesn't exist.
And at this point, any area of bipartisan consensus in the fiscal debate is welcome.
I should note, of course, that the idea that there's a "looming" crisis is itself problematic -- there's very little evidence to suggest there's an actual problem anywhere on the horizon. Interest rates are low, inflation is low, and it's never been easier for the United States to borrow at will. If we look for indicators of a genuine crisis in the near future -- Boehner told ABC "nobody knows" how long the nation has before there's a real problem -- we generally come up empty.
But if policymakers in both parties insist on addressing fiscal issues anyway, they're going to have to compromise. What kind of deal is the House Speaker prepared to consider? One in which the White House gives him everything he wants.
Told that Obama is offering entitlement reforms as part of a compromise, Boehner didn't care.
This is neither new nor surprising, but it does put this talk of an alleged "crisis" in an interesting light. According to the Speaker of the House, there's a "looming" debt crisis which will cause the nation real harm. And according to the Speaker of the House, he and his party aren't willing to compromise to address this crisis before is strikes.
This leads to two possibilities: either Boehner doesn't really believe there's a "looming" debt crisis, or believes the threat to the nation's wellbeing is real and he just doesn't much care about preventing it.
I'd love to know which of these two is accurate, but for now, we can only speculate."
Steve Benen
If you seriously think that a 16 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT ISN'T A PROBLEM, YOU ARE AS BAD AS OBAMA. So I guess we are supposed to ignore the problem until it is too big to fix...
crazy eyes

Leominster, MA

#7 Mar 18, 2013
Just the word 'debt' scares me throw in the word 'crisis' .... wait a minute I just saw a penguin fly to my bird feeder.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#8 Mar 18, 2013
Easily confused wrote:
I we did't have a Republican President and Congress things would be different!
Huh?
Notice

Gardner, MA

#9 Mar 18, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
If you seriously think that a 16 TRILLION DOLLAR DEBT ISN'T A PROBLEM, YOU ARE AS BAD AS OBAMA. So I guess we are supposed to ignore the problem until it is too big to fix...
Oh I see, willing to dive down your f-ing rabbitt hole again huh idiot.

Let's start with the basics since you decided to respond.

TRY responding to what was posted dickweed, can you read?

BOEHNER said there was no crisis, HE agrees with Obama, not ME!!!!!!!!

Why don't you address THAT!
Notice

Gardner, MA

#10 Mar 18, 2013
IF you were able to read, comprehend that and respond to what it is you read, you would be answering this...

"This leads to two possibilities: either Boehner doesn't really believe there's a "looming" debt crisis, or believes the threat to the nation's wellbeing is real and he just doesn't much care about preventing it.

I'd love to know which of these two is accurate, but for now, we can only speculate."

How's that for making it easy for you meathead!
Just Facts

United States

#11 Mar 18, 2013
I really don't give sweet shit what Boehner believes or doesn't believe, and he doesn't speak for all Republicans asswipe.

One minor difference between Obam and Boehner is that Boeehner HAS ACKNOWLEDGED that our government has a spending problem, where Obama is completely oblivious to it.

Some of us have no issues with "saying it like it is", and telling the American people that their pursuit for short term fixes is ruining us in the long term.

Boehner had been saying that, but people just don't want to hear it, so maybe he is just tired of trying to what is best.

Personally, I think he should let Obama and the Democrats raise taxes on everyone the way they want to, and when the entire economy collapses, you won't have Republicans to blame for it. Boehner finally allowed the sequester to happen, and that was the right thing to do. It was Obama's idea and it was appropriate to let it happen.

Obama has been playing games with our economy for years now and it needs to stop.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#12 Mar 18, 2013
"he doesn't speak for all Republicans"

He's LITERALLY the SPEAKER of the House!!

Hahahahahahahahhaahhahaahahaa, just no clue how thungs work.

As for playing games with the Economy, that's funny, he's been bringing it back for more than 4 years now after Republicans sunk it!

"The latest job numbers were strong; the latest manufacturing figures were very encouraging; the housing sector is looking increasingly strong; Wall Street is up; and the new retail-sales numbers were so good, "it's hard to imagine how the numbers could have been stronger."

It's a game the American people would like to continue as opposed to having it all threatened by whining, shitty GOP "Leaders". Boehner keeps saying the country needs leadership completely ignoring the fact that HE is supposed to be a leader, he's second in line to the Presidency for christs sake!
Notice

Gardner, MA

#13 Mar 18, 2013
"Some of us have no issues with "saying it like it is", and telling the American people that their pursuit for short term fixes is ruining us in the long term."

Tell us exactly WHO is "saying it like it is" when it comes to Ryan's plan to END MEDICARE!?!??

Who is it that is telling the American People straight up that Paul Ryan (and the GOP voted for Ryan budget) wants to end Medicare?

Demcrats and Liberals that's who is saying it like it is, the GOP, put it out there and hide by talking in circles!!

The American people know who wants to end Medicare I assure you and since there is no change in GOP policy, well, electoral oblivion is where you will remain, it's going to get worse for you bozos.

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#14 Mar 18, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
I really don't give sweet shit what Boehner believes or doesn't believe, and he doesn't speak for all Republicans asswipe.
One minor difference between Obam and Boehner is that Boeehner HAS ACKNOWLEDGED that our government has a spending problem, where Obama is completely oblivious to it.
Some of us have no issues with "saying it like it is", and telling the American people that their pursuit for short term fixes is ruining us in the long term.
Boehner had been saying that, but people just don't want to hear it, so maybe he is just tired of trying to what is best.
Personally, I think he should let Obama and the Democrats raise taxes on everyone the way they want to, and when the entire economy collapses, you won't have Republicans to blame for it. Boehner finally allowed the sequester to happen, and that was the right thing to do. It was Obama's idea and it was appropriate to let it happen.
Obama has been playing games with our economy for years now and it needs to stop.
LOL... Obama has been playing games with our economy? Really? Have you been paying attention? Obviously not. The GOP can only say no to everything. Everything. It doesn't matter what it is. Where is their great plan? Ryan's plan? HA! What a joke. Any plan that doesn't include repealing all those horrible trade agreements and allows for US businesses and individual to be able to take wealth out of this country without penalty is pissing in the wind. You can cut taxes and cut spending as much as you want. If you don't fix the real problems you won't save the economy. The wealth needs to be in the hands of the majority and the only way that can happen is to make it painful to take it out of the country in the first place.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#15 Mar 18, 2013
I guess Factless is right for once, PAY NO ATTENTION to what Republicans say but pay close attention to what they do!

The following segments are entitled, what they say vs. what they do!

The The so-called “Growth and Opportunity Project" autopsy plan says:
"“The Republican Party must be the champion of those who seek to climb the economic ladder of life. Low-income Americans are hard-working people who want to become hard-working middle-income Americans. Middle-income Americans want to become upper-middle-income, and so on. We need to help everyone make it in America.”

ACTUAL POLICY:

Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) budget, released last week, slashes the health and safety net programs that middle and lower income Americans rely on — like Medicare, Medicaid, and food stamps — while proposing tax code reforms that would significantly benefit top-income earners and corporations. A recent analysis from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities concluded that the budget “would get at least 66 percent of its $5 trillion in non-defense budget cuts over ten years (relative to a continuation of current policies) from programs that serve people of limited means.” GOP governors have offered plans to axe sate corporate and personal income taxes, replacing them instead with an increase in the sales tax. Such policies would directly benefit the rich at the expense of the poor.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#16 Mar 18, 2013
The The so-called “Growth and Opportunity Project" autopsy plan says:

“We have to blow the whistle at corporate malfeasance and attack corporate welfare. We should speak out when a company liquidates itself and its executives receive bonuses but rank-and-file workers are left unemployed. We should speak out when CEOs receive tens of millions of dollars in retirement packages but middle-class workers have not had
a meaningful raise in years.”

ACTUAL POLICY:

Republicans have proposed slashing the corporate tax rate just as corporate profits are skyrocketing and wages for middle and lower income Americans remain stagnant. The GOP seeks to repeal Wall Street reform and resists any efforts to tax capital gains at a higher rate, close the carried interest loophole, or raise any taxes on higher-income earners. Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) budget, for instance,“would result in tax cuts worth an average of about $330,000 a year to households with incomes of more than $1 million a year.”
Notice

Gardner, MA

#17 Mar 18, 2013
The The so-called “Growth and Opportunity Project" autopsy plan says:

“Our candidates, spokespeople, and staff need to use language that addresses concerns that are on women’s minds in order to let them know we are fighting for them.“

ACTUAL POLICY:

Republicans in Congress oppose provisions in the Affordable Care Act that provide contraception coverage to women without additional co-pays, have backed measures to allow employers to deny birth control to their female employees, voted against equal pay for equal work, and even stonewalled the Violence Against Women Act. Lawmakers on the state level have enacted numerous provisions that seek to severly restrict access to abortion services.

Just a few examples, check any policy against what they're saying, same outcome! USe Immigration for example, Jeb Bush can't figure out where they or he wants to be so he's saying both for and against!

Since: Apr 12

Hunt Valley, MD

#18 Mar 18, 2013
Hey, Notice.. Whats up with all those facts? Don't you know that too many real facts just causes the "conservatives" collective head to spin. Same as their posts. Lots of spin.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#20 Mar 18, 2013
Son of SickNTired wrote:
Hey, Notice.. Whats up with all those facts? Don't you know that too many real facts just causes the "conservatives" collective head to spin. Same as their posts. Lots of spin.
They spin so much they believe what they say. Facts do tend to make them slap themselves in the face as they run around in cirlces.
Notice

Gardner, MA

#21 Mar 18, 2013
That should read

Of course OUR resident Bonehead just argued Dems have been playing games for years!!!!!!!!!!

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