New child-care center opens in Fitchburg - Sentinel & Enterprise

[LMK1969]

Shoken wrote:

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Did white people jack up your car and steal the rims off of it and drop it on the ground in your driveway this week? I chased off 2 brown people 2 hours before it happened, while they were scoping out my car. You wonder why these F@@@ers get a bad name. I think we are all getting tired of it. I work my **** off and to have some brown piece of S*i* steal it from me when he contributes nothing to our society, yah that makes me mad.Who ever you are, I would like to take you out for a day and show you the real world.

I have, unfortunately, been the victim of violence on 3 separate occasions in my life, each at the hands of a causcasion. While I thank you for your offer to show me the "real world", I'm not in the habit of associating myself with racists.

[RLA]

Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:

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Call the police. Demand protection, patrols, etc. If that doesn't work, then, yes, by all means, leave. I wouldn't want to raise my kids in an unsafe environment. BUT, I want to share a quick anecdote with you about living in a small town, a good, middle-class, suburban small town that I lived in for a while until about 6 years ago - destruction of property and robbery happen ALL THE TIME! Kids get bored. Drugs? Yup, they are prevalent. The difference? The people that live in these towns have money so they keep up appearances. The houses look well kept, so it's not as obvious. The neighborhood turnaround rate is low. The issue people have here is not about crime, it's not necessarily about race, it is classism, plain and simple, and it's unacceptable. People that leave neighborhoods because the dirty/poor/ethnic/(insert insult here) people have moved in down the street are cowards and apathetic.
I'm not trying to judge YOU based on your particular situation. I don't know you. What I am saying (in a long winded rant kind of way) is that some/many (although not all) of the problems that Fitchburg is having right now are caused by people literally being scared out of their neighborhoods because they have become ethnically and socially diverse. The adage "there goes the neighborhood" comes to mind. I grew up in Fitchburg. I saw this happen. I had friends whose neighbors had literally moved out because some non-white and/or financially distressed families moved into their area "degrading it" from what it used to be. That type of mentality may be in the interest of self-preservation, but that doesn't make it right.

Having grown up and lived in of those small towns for many years and moving to Fitchburg eight years ago, I would have to say I wholeheartedly agree with you.

Great post!

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Shoken wrote:

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Did white people jack up your car and steal the rims off of it and drop it on the ground in your driveway this week? I chased off 2 brown people 2 hours before it happened, while they were scoping out my car. You wonder why these F@@@ers get a bad name. I think we are all getting tired of it. I work my **** off and to have some brown piece of S*i* steal it from me when he contributes nothing to our society, yah that makes me mad.Who ever you are, I would like to take you out for a day and show you the real world.

they would rather steal your stuff instead of getting a job and paying for it themselves,reality,,not racism.

[Joe]

Reply, I just read a few of your posts. Why even waste the air-time?

[Tiffany from Fitchburg]

WHAT ABOUT US wrote:

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There are very few who would care about race AT ALL if it weren't for the fact that some races seem to raise their children with lower than normal morals and standards.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Have you ever been to the shops at the Prudential Center? Listen to the way some of the kids treat their parents and other shoppers, or, even better, listen to the way the adults there treat others. Not only will you find that there is an equal amount of disrespect (which is what I assume you mean by morals and standards, since morality, in many respects, is typically relative) and misbehavior, but, also this incredible sense of entitlement. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the offenders would not fit into your definition of "some races".

[Tiffany from Fitchburg]

Not Ignorant wrote:

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".....the problems that Fitchburg is having right now are caused by people literally being scared out of their neighborhoods because they have become ethnically and socially diverse".
The people who leave are not the ones causing the problems. I don't know what you expect people to do, but blaming them for the decline of the neighborhood AFTER they have left puts a big hole in your argument. The racial mix of the neighborhood is not the problem, but the crime and other factors are a very big problem. On the one hand, you're saying that people shouldn't leave when the neighborhood changes. At the same time, you are basically blaming them for what others do to the neighborhood after the leave. What about the people that move in after and contribute to the crime rate and general decline of the neighborhood? If they are of the same racial makeup that you claim caused people to leave, and cause the same kind of problems, don't they bear some responsibility? You can't have it both ways. Good neighbors leaving do not cause bad situations to get worse. The people causing the problems do that. Put the blame where it belongs.

I'm not putting all the blame on people leaving the neighborhoods, but, it is undoubtedly a contributing factor. Everyone seems to be perfectly happy blaming everyone and everything else. I just want people to take some personal responsibility and understand that by running away from the problems, which is a suggestion that seems to be put out ALL THE TIME, they are only worsening the situation. I would compare it to "the devil you know". When people leave neighborhoods in droves, it opens things up. The neighborhood dynamic can and likely will change completely. If people are leaving because of crime, generally, those who are more tolerant of crime will move in. If people are leaving because their neighbors aren't caring for their properties, others who are tolerant of that will move in, etc.

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Joe wrote:

Reply, I just read a few of your posts. Why even waste the air-time?

air?

[geezer]

Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:

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What a ridiculous thing to say. Have you ever been to the shops at the Prudential Center? Listen to the way some of the kids treat their parents and other shoppers, or, even better, listen to the way the adults there treat others. Not only will you find that there is an equal amount of disrespect (which is what I assume you mean by morals and standards, since morality, in many respects, is typically relative) and misbehavior, but, also this incredible sense of entitlement. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the offenders would not fit into your definition of "some races".

Maybe the subject is kids having 6 kids of their own, not knowing or caring who any of the fathers are, robbing, stealing, assaulting and murdering people for little or no reason at all, living off other people without any thought of being self sufficient, maybe, just maybe this is the "morals" that are in question. Sying please, thank you, and excuse me can come after they are taught that killing each other over a drug debt is a no-no. It seems that this type of action is a cultural norm in the "latino community" more so than in others.

[Tiffany from Fitchburg]

geezer wrote:

<quoted text>Maybe the subject is kids having 6 kids of their own, not knowing or caring who any of the fathers are, robbing, stealing, assaulting and murdering people for little or no reason at all, living off other people without any thought of being self sufficient, maybe, just maybe this is the "morals" that are in question. Sying please, thank you, and excuse me can come after they are taught that killing each other over a drug debt is a no-no. It seems that this type of action is a cultural norm in the "latino community" more so than in others.

The other poster said "children". I don't know of many children that have done any of the things that you are talking about, except maybe in the poorest countries - Somalia, Armenia, Hungary, etc.. Have you ever thought that maybe this is a culture of poverty and not necessarily of "race"? The latino community in our area is part of a large scale migration to the area that is farily new. If you look to history, this has happened with EVERY large migration. It is not a racial culture. Look at the Irish immigration - people looked at them in a very similar way: violent drunks who had too many children that they could not afford. The reason we learn about history is so that we don't make the same mistakes over and over again. By stereotyping people and making assumptions, you are perpetuating a cycle of hatred that is part of America's "forgotten" past. What needs to happen is encouragement to do the right thing and, in cases of legal matters, prosecution. Only then can we move forward. People like you are holding the community back. You should be proud of yourself.

[Still not ignorant]

Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:

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I'm not putting all the blame on people leaving the neighborhoods, but, it is undoubtedly a contributing factor. Everyone seems to be perfectly happy blaming everyone and everything else. I just want people to take some personal responsibility and understand that by running away from the problems, which is a suggestion that seems to be put out ALL THE TIME, they are only worsening the situation. I would compare it to "the devil you know". When people leave neighborhoods in droves, it opens things up. The neighborhood dynamic can and likely will change completely. If people are leaving because of crime, generally, those who are more tolerant of crime will move in. If people are leaving because their neighbors aren't caring for their properties, others who are tolerant of that will move in, etc.

Tif, that's my point exactly..."others who are tolerant of that will move in, etc". Like begats like. In the very same way, people who want a safe neighborhood will move to the type of neighborhood they want.

Just a separate observation, you are being just as prejudiced and intolerant as you claim others are being because they disagree with you. First you claimed it was racism, then good vs bad neighbors, then it became a class issue. I'm sorry, but good people leaving bad neighborhoods does NOT ruin the neighborhood. Why do you think that even though people leave for their own survival, it still doesn't make it right? You are just as judgemental, if not more so, than anyone else posting here.

[Tiffany from Fitchburg]

Still not ignorant wrote:

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Tif, that's my point exactly..."others who are tolerant of that will move in, etc". Like begats like. In the very same way, people who want a safe neighborhood will move to the type of neighborhood they want.
Just a separate observation, you are being just as prejudiced and intolerant as you claim others are being because they disagree with you. First you claimed it was racism, then good vs bad neighbors, then it became a class issue. I'm sorry, but good people leaving bad neighborhoods does NOT ruin the neighborhood. Why do you think that even though people leave for their own survival, it still doesn't make it right? You are just as judgemental, if not more so, than anyone else posting here.

Yes, I did say all of those things. I don't know what you expect me to say, "no, I didn't"? The posters here have been blatently racist, which is both inappropriate and unnecessary. Additionally, most of the arguments here about why PRs are ruining the city has to do more with social class than race. The arguments are about poor people abusing the system. I just wish people would come out and say it. Perhaps it is true that the majority of underpriviliged residents of Fitchburg are PRs, but to throw a whole culture of people under the bus because of perceived behavior under the worst of circumstances is an awful thing to do.

Neighbors "giving up" on their neighborhood because what they perceive as "bad neighbors" moving in - whether it is because they are of a different race (yes, some people do and have moved out of their neighborhoods because _____ people moved in next door), because some one in the neighborhood is letting their house go to shambles, because someone committed a crime in or around the neighborhood, etc.- does contribute to a neighborhood going down the tubes, especially when people leave in droves.

I think it is incredibly hypocritical of people who did leave to say the _____ are ruining the city. Maybe, instead of leaving, it might be more productive to try and go through the proper channels to make some changes and TRY to save the city BEFORE it goes further down the spiral. People have no pride in where they live anymore. At least not when it takes some work to fix what one perceives as a problem. There are people here who in the same post will say things like, "the school system has gone to $hit", "we need more police on the streets", and "I pay too much in taxes already, and now they want to raise them?" It's all well and good when it's someone else's problem, but when it hits close to home, it's easier to just leave. There's no such thing as a free lunch. We pay for city services out of taxes that we pay. If you want more police patrols, demand them, but don't be shocked if the taxes go up to pay for the service. Yeah, instead of taking some initiative and trying to fix the problems that we face in the city, it's much easier to pass the blame.

There are undoubtedly hard-working citizens of the city that have suffered as a result of the problems brought about by a combination of businesses shutting down, the economic downturn of the city, and the increase in crime over the years. I don't discount those facts at all. It is just sickening to me that people who live here and the people that used to live here take a racist stance on the whole thing and don't look at the facts.

[WHAT ABOUT US]

Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:

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What a ridiculous thing to say. Have you ever been to the shops at the Prudential Center? Listen to the way some of the kids treat their parents and other shoppers, or, even better, listen to the way the adults there treat others. Not only will you find that there is an equal amount of disrespect (which is what I assume you mean by morals and standards, since morality, in many respects, is typically relative) and misbehavior, but, also this incredible sense of entitlement. I would hazard a guess that the majority of the offenders would not fit into your definition of "some races".

...oh, did they move the prudential center to fitchburg now?!? We are talking fitchburg, "some races" are the majority here these days. Let me just say, I have problems on a weekly basis with certain minorities damaging mine, and my neighbors property, and threatening the neighborhood children. I personally catch them doing it, so - YES I know it was them. I HAVE NEVER had a person whom was NOT of these races create the problems in my neighborhood that these people do. REALITY!

[Tiffany from Fitchburg]

WHAT ABOUT US wrote:

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...oh, did they move the prudential center to fitchburg now?!? We are talking fitchburg, "some races" are the majority here these days. Let me just say, I have problems on a weekly basis with certain minorities damaging mine, and my neighbors property, and threatening the neighborhood children. I personally catch them doing it, so - YES I know it was them. I HAVE NEVER had a person whom was NOT of these races create the problems in my neighborhood that these people do. REALITY!

Sounds to me like you should prosecute these people that you have seen damage your property in both civil and criminal court, instead of lumping a whole group of people together based on your personal experiences with some people who obviously have no consideration for anyone else. Based on your logic, I should say that most non PRs in Fitchburg are racist, because, judging by what I have seen here, it would seem to reflect that, but, I don't jump to that conclusion, because I look at people as individuals and don't lump them all together based on negative (or positive) experiences I have with a select few. If I did that, I might end up a pretty sad and lonely individual.

[RLA]

WHAT ABOUT US wrote:

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...oh, did they move the prudential center to fitchburg now?!? We are talking fitchburg, "some races" are the majority here these days. Let me just say, I have problems on a weekly basis with certain minorities damaging mine, and my neighbors property, and threatening the neighborhood children. I personally catch them doing it, so - YES I know it was them. I HAVE NEVER had a person whom was NOT of these races create the problems in my neighborhood that these people do. REALITY!

Reality......I'm a white person, not "one of these races", living in one of the "nicer" areas of Fitchburg and each white neighbor, neither of them are "one of these races" on each side of me has damaged my property. I've seen them damage my property several times, of course they denied it and refused to pay for the damage. Their kids use my yard as their personal playground, leaving their trash behind. They have parties and their company completely blocks the road, god forbid anyone on my street needs emergency services, they couldn't get to us if they tried.

I have a friend that lives about a mile from me, their white neighbor, not "one of these races", trashes my friends' property all the time.

So, from your twisted logic, since I've never EVER had anyone that IS "one of these races" damage my property, all white people are scum.

[West Fitchburg resident]

RLA wrote:

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Reality......I'm a white person, not "one of these races", living in one of the "nicer" areas of Fitchburg and each white neighbor, neither of them are "one of these races" on each side of me has damaged my property. I've seen them damage my property several times, of course they denied it and refused to pay for the damage. Their kids use my yard as their personal playground, leaving their trash behind. They have parties and their company completely blocks the road, god forbid anyone on my street needs emergency services, they couldn't get to us if they tried.
I have a friend that lives about a mile from me, their white neighbor, not "one of these races", trashes my friends' property all the time.
So, from your twisted logic, since I've never EVER had anyone that IS "one of these races" damage my property, all white people are scum.

LOL...I hear ya there ...People like these come in all shapes and "COLORS"..be it white, black, latino, oriental....etc...

[MeandMyself]

Tiffany from Fitchburg wrote:

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Sounds to me like you should prosecute these people that you have seen damage your property in both civil and criminal court, instead of lumping a whole group of people together based on your personal experiences with some people who obviously have no consideration for anyone else.

I agree 100%!

[Shoken]

LMK1969 wrote:

<quoted text> I have, unfortunately, been the victim of violence on 3 separate occasions in my life, each at the hands of a causcasion. While I thank you for your offer to show me the "real world", I'm not in the habit of associating myself with racists.

Probably because you were trying to steal something to support your crack habit.88

[Joe]

reply wrote:

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air?

Yes, the air in your head.

[only in the burg]

Wow how a topic gets twisted, I believe it started with a beautiful new day care...
Racism is such a sickness, I hope you all get well soon.

[whatever]

RLA wrote:

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Reality......I'm a white person, not "one of these races", living in one of the "nicer" areas of Fitchburg and each white neighbor, neither of them are "one of these races" on each side of me has damaged my property. I've seen them damage my property several times, of course they denied it and refused to pay for the damage. Their kids use my yard as their personal playground, leaving their trash behind. They have parties and their company completely blocks the road, god forbid anyone on my street needs emergency services, they couldn't get to us if they tried.
I have a friend that lives about a mile from me, their white neighbor, not "one of these races", trashes my friends' property all the time.
So, from your twisted logic, since I've never EVER had anyone that IS "one of these races" damage my property, all white people are scum.

When is the last time one of your neighbors shot at your kids bedroom while they were sleeping, or spray painted gang symbols on your house? How about when they were shooting heroin on your porch at 3 AM right outside your ten year old sons bedroom? Left needles on your porch? Tried to pick up your 12 year old daughter? Kept you up all night long while they were stopping cars in the middle of the road trying to kick the drivers asess - just because it was fun?..... Yeah You don't know what real issues are. Me, I can just keep listing them. And the cops have to catch them to do anything :) YOUR neighbors are NOT SO BAD.