Just Facts

United States

#102 Oct 10, 2013
and the website cost us $ 634,000,000 to build...incredible!!! Absolutely incredible!!
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#104 Oct 10, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
This is a great question...
"How can we tax people for not buying a product from a website that doesn't work?" House Speaker John Boehner said.
The healthcare.gov site opened for enrollment on Oct. 1, but users are still having trouble breaking through the website's myriad problems just to sign up.
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/10/10/glitch...
Oh what a surprise, a Faux Snews article from Factless! Dude, it's like crack to you! You know it hurts you but you keep going back for more and more and more!!

MEanwhile, the heavy hitters are throwing the towel in!!

Koch brothers...
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/A_...

Who US??!???!!?

Heritage...
"WASHINGTON -- A crack appeared Wednesday morning in the conservatives' united front against President Barack Obama in the budget-and-borrowing crisis of 2013.

Michael Needham, CEO of the powerful group Heritage Action, said that he opposed conditioning a crucial vote to increase the government's borrowing authority on the group's main goal: defunding Obamacare.

Under questioning at a breakfast with reporters, hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, Needham, a product of the Stanford Business School, conceded that failure to raise the debt ceiling would indeed disrupt the global economy.

"I'm sure the markets will react negatively," he said, even if, as he suggested was possible, the Treasury could "prioritize" interest payments to foreign bondholders.

Rather than try to hold the debt ceiling vote hostage to the defunding of Obamacare, he said, the better "tactical" course for Heritage and other key foes of the administration is to continue to focus on annual spending -- and on allowing the full opening of government only if Obamacare is dismantled.

"No, we should raise the debt limit," he said

What, us, no!

Freedomworks..
"FreedomWorks CEO Matt Kibbe said that he, too, believes Congress needs to raise the debt ceiling.

"Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) blamed tea party Republicans for the government shutdown during a CNN interview on Wednesday, saying Congress never had a shot at defunding Obamacare.

“We started this on a fool’s errand, convincing so many millions of Americans and our supporters that we could defund Obamacare," McCain said.

While McCain didn't name names, he faulted members of Congress -- "tea partiers specifically" -- for wrongly telling "millions of Americans" that Obamacare can be defunded.

Meanwhile, the idiots...
"Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) believes that we're living in the End Times"

Well, if the GOP succeeds in crashing and burning the country, maybe!?!!??!
Just Facts

United States

#105 Oct 10, 2013
You cannot challenge the issue represented because the facts are undeniable, so you spit and sputter your normal garbage...nice try...you lose.

Obamacare's rollout is an atrocious disaster and is just the newest example of why government doesn't belong in these things.

3 years and millions of dollars, and they cannot even develop a working website...leave it up to our government to piss away taxpayer money...every person in office that supported this reckless law should be fired immediately!! There isn't any logical excuse for such a disaster.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#106 Oct 10, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
You cannot challenge the issue represented because the facts are undeniable, so you spit and sputter your normal garbage...nice try...you lose.
Obamacare's rollout is an atrocious disaster and is just the newest example of why government doesn't belong in these things.
3 years and millions of dollars, and they cannot even develop a working website...leave it up to our government to piss away taxpayer money...every person in office that supported this reckless law should be fired immediately!! There isn't any logical excuse for such a disaster.
26 weeks of open enrollement, get your fear mongering done now Factless, when it's over, big success!!

You are aware, millions are going to that site in just the one week.

You all claim Democrats are scaring people concerning the Debt limit, that's EXACTLY what you're doing concerning the ACA!!!
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#107 Oct 10, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>Wasn't one of Obamas election promises was that he would bring the troops home? How's that lie working out for ya? I like talking to myself.
I'm glad you asked nutjob.

Yes, he did promise to end your forgotten War for you, and bring them home! They ARE coming home, soon, THEY'RE NOT HOME YET THOUGH MEATHEAD!!!!

We've got Soldiers in the battlefield trying to stay alive and you bozo's think this is all a great time for a game!!!!!!

It's disgraceful, too bad TEabaggers don't GAS about our Troops but prefer their stupid hissy fit game playing to actually being Americans!!!
Devils Advocate

Rockville, MD

#108 Oct 10, 2013
Who Shut Down the Government?
By Thomas Sowell
Even when it comes to something as basic, and apparently as simple and straightforward, as the question of who shut down the federal government, there are diametrically opposite answers, depending on whether you talk to Democrats or to Republicans.
There is really nothing complicated about the facts. The Republican-controlled House of Representatives voted all the money required to keep all government activities going — except for ObamaCare.
This is not a matter of opinion. You can check the Congressional Record.
As for the House of Representatives' right to grant or withhold money, that is not a matter of opinion either. You can check the Constitution of the United States. All spending bills must originate in the House of Representatives, which means that Congressmen there have a right to decide whether or not they want to spend money on a particular government activity.
Whether ObamaCare is good, bad or indifferent is a matter of opinion. But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion.
Devils Advocate

Rockville, MD

#109 Oct 10, 2013
ObamaCare is indeed "the law of the land," as its supporters keep saying, and the Supreme Court has upheld its Constitutionality.
But the whole point of having a division of powers within the federal government is that each branch can decide independently what it wants to do or not do, regardless of what the other branches do, when exercising the powers specifically granted to that branch by the Constitution.
The hundreds of thousands of government workers who have been laid off are not idle because the House of Representatives did not vote enough money to pay their salaries or the other expenses of their agencies — unless they are in an agency that would administer ObamaCare.
Since we cannot read minds, we cannot say who — if anybody — "wants to shut down the government." But we do know who had the option to keep the government running and chose not to. The money voted by the House of Representatives covered everything that the government does, except for ObamaCare.
The Senate chose not to vote to authorize that money to be spent, because it did not include money for ObamaCare. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid says that he wants a "clean" bill from the House of Representatives, and some in the media keep repeating the word "clean" like a mantra. But what is unclean about not giving Harry Reid everything he wants?
If Senator Reid and President Obama refuse to accept the money required to run the government, because it leaves out the money they want to run ObamaCare, that is their right. But that is also their responsibility.
You cannot blame other people for not giving you everything you want. And it is a fraud to blame them when you refuse to use the money they did vote, even when it is ample to pay for everything else in the government.
When Barack Obama keeps claiming that it is some new outrage for those who control the money to try to change government policy by granting or withholding money, that is simply a bald-faced lie. You can check the history of other examples of "legislation by appropriation" as it used to be called.
Whether legislation by appropriation is a good idea or a bad idea is a matter of opinion. But whether it is both legal and not unprecedented is a matter of fact.
Perhaps the biggest of the big lies is that the government will not be able to pay what it owes on the national debt, creating a danger of default. Tax money keeps coming into the Treasury during the shutdown, and it vastly exceeds the interest that has to be paid on the national debt.
Even if the debt ceiling is not lifted, that only means that government is not allowed to run up new debt. But that does not mean that it is unable to pay the interest on existing debt.
None of this is rocket science. But unless the Republicans get their side of the story out — and articulation has never been their strong suit — the lies will win. More important, the whole country will lose.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#110 Oct 10, 2013
Lot's of words, none of it relevant

"But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion."

They get to make those decisions before they get the bills!

They don't get to agree on something, then renig on the bill when it comes!!

That's what deadbeats do!!

And who is Thomas Sowell

"Sowell compared President Barack Obama's actions to Adolf Hitler's in a June 2010 editorial for Investor's Business Daily titled "Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?"[36] The example he gave was the creation of a relief fund for the BP oil spill, Sarah Palin recommended it to her Twitter followers, prompting the President of People for the American Way, Michael B. Keegan, to ask whether Palin "agree[d] with Sowell that President Obama's work to hold BP accountable for the worst oil spill in American history can be compared to the actions of Hitler?

Sowell, Palin and Teabaggers are all in agreement and we all know, when that happens, they must be right!!!!!!!!
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#111 Oct 10, 2013
Why is there such a big Federal exchange needed?

"The original plan for the Affordable Care Act to rely on state-based exchanges -- rather than have one big federal marketplace, Obamacare intended for states to set up their own exchanges, invite insurers to compete, and trouble-shoot as necessary.

Many states did exactly that, but a variety Republican governors balked -- to set up a marketplace for consumers, they said, would be cooperate with a law they don't like. It meant a sweeping federally run exchange for everyone in those states.

It's created disparate experiences based on where Americans live.

In Washington State, the state-run exchange had a rocky start on Oct. 1, but managed to turn things around quickly by adjusting certain parameters on its Web site to alleviate bottlenecks. By Monday, more than 9,400 people had signed up for coverage. The Washington Health Benefit Exchange does not require users to create an account before browsing plans.

"The site is up and running smoothly," said Michael Marchand, a spokesman for the Washington exchange. "We're seeing a lot of use, a lot of people coming to the Web site. If anything, I think it's increasing."

Other states reporting a steady stream of enrollments in recent days include California, Connecticut, Kentucky and Rhode Island.

Some states are having more success than others -- as Sarah Kliff explained, ease of use and online registrations matter. But I can't help but wonder how much easier the last 10 days would have been if more Republican governors weren't intent on keeping their constituents from signing up for the health care benefits they're entitled to?"

Because, GOP governors wanted it that way, it didn't have to be, but is because of choice!
Just Facts

United States

#112 Oct 10, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>
26 weeks of open enrollement, get your fear mongering done now Factless, when it's over, big success!!
You are aware, millions are going to that site in just the one week.
You all claim Democrats are scaring people concerning the Debt limit, that's EXACTLY what you're doing concerning the ACA!!!
Anyone with millions of dollars and skills for building websites should be able to handle that kind of traffic...google, yahoo, and many other companies do it all the time. I can imagine the complaints if twitter, facebook, and you tube and many others were unable to handle the traffic for users that hit them all the time.

You would make a great excuse man for the Democratic Party and should see about getting a job for Harry Reid or Nancy pelosi.

EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES

If any company paid millions of dollars to put a website or multiple websites in service and waited 3 years to do it, and had this kind of result, they would bring a lawsuit against the company that botched it.
Just Facts

United States

#113 Oct 10, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
Lot's of words, none of it relevant
"But it is a matter of fact that members of the House of Representatives have a right to make spending decisions based on their opinion."
They get to make those decisions before they get the bills!
They don't get to agree on something, then renig on the bill when it comes!!
That's what deadbeats do!!
And who is Thomas Sowell
"Sowell compared President Barack Obama's actions to Adolf Hitler's in a June 2010 editorial for Investor's Business Daily titled "Is U.S. Now On Slippery Slope To Tyranny?"[36] The example he gave was the creation of a relief fund for the BP oil spill, Sarah Palin recommended it to her Twitter followers, prompting the President of People for the American Way, Michael B. Keegan, to ask whether Palin "agree[d] with Sowell that President Obama's work to hold BP accountable for the worst oil spill in American history can be compared to the actions of Hitler?
Sowell, Palin and Teabaggers are all in agreement and we all know, when that happens, they must be right!!!!!!!!
Yes, yes...you say lots of words, but none of it relevant because it is proof that your argument is a losing argument. Our Constitution provides the "The House of Representatives" is the body within government that determines what bills and/or laws get funded. Thats their job idiot!!!

Now we will return you back to your stupid ranting and raving about nothing that matters.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#114 Oct 10, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, yes...you say lots of words, but none of it relevant because it is proof that your argument is a losing argument. Our Constitution provides the "The House of Representatives" is the body within government that determines what bills and/or laws get funded. Thats their job idiot!!!
Now we will return you back to your stupid ranting and raving about nothing that matters.
Idiot, Those decisions happened long before the bills come due!

Now, you don't want to pay our bills and you want to hold the whole country hostage!

Yeah, great stance, what happens when you don't pay your bills?
Just Facts

United States

#115 Oct 10, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot, Those decisions happened long before the bills come due!
Now, you don't want to pay our bills and you want to hold the whole country hostage!
Yeah, great stance, what happens when you don't pay your bills?
No idiot...the decisions to not have a budget that would include funding OBAMASCARE are the fault of the Democrats. Obama and the Obamacrats haven't allowed a budget to be passed since that moron took office in the Whitehouse, and he was told over and over that they wouldn't fund it. He continued to say he wasn't going to listen to it and they would do it anyway, so here we are.

He has known for many years that Republicans controlling the purse strings wouldn't fund it, so tough shit.
Boehner and Cantor

Leominster, MA

#116 Oct 10, 2013
Now they want to stop sending Funding to Egypt. What the hell now they are never going to get those Pyramids finished!!!
Boehner and Cantor

Leominster, MA

#117 Oct 10, 2013
Jutst facts you think you know so much about the internet. Did you know Al Gore made it????
Boehner and Cantor

Leominster, MA

#118 Oct 10, 2013
If the Government doesn't get back to work soon Nancy Pelosi might pose for Playboy to make some extra cash. I for one am excited by the idea!
Boehner and Cantor

Leominster, MA

#119 Oct 10, 2013
I like Barney Frank. I just want to coddle him like a little puppy and then give him my house!
Boehner and Cantor

Leominster, MA

#120 Oct 10, 2013
I'm still upset that the attack in Benghazi was over a youtube video. I hope it wasn't the one of me showing off my Monica Lewinski bobble head collection.
Bowmen andweizer

Hudson, MA

#121 Oct 10, 2013
Boehner and Cantor wrote:
I like Barney Frank. I just want to coddle him like a little puppy and then give him my house!
we liberals concur
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#122 Oct 11, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
No idiot...the decisions to not have a budget that would include funding OBAMASCARE are the fault of the Democrats. Obama and the Obamacrats haven't allowed a budget to be passed since that moron took office in the Whitehouse, and he was told over and over that they wouldn't fund it. He continued to say he wasn't going to listen to it and they would do it anyway, so here we are.
He has known for many years that Republicans controlling the purse strings wouldn't fund it, so tough shit.
really, that's your final answer? I can prove you're lying nutjob, the budget negotiations should have happened 6 months ago and I can prove Republicans never planned on having those negotiations....

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/fitchburg-ma/...

Posted on July 8th!!!!! BAck when Republicans were supposed to enter committee and agree on the Budget!!!!!!!!

THEY deiced to wait for what they call leverage, what the rest of us call, hostage taking!!!!!!!!!

You're a f-ing liar Factless, just like Faux Snews!!!

Provable, factual and relevant!!!

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