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<quoted text>Where in the law does it say that Barry can make changes without Congressional approval which he already has done with his crony waivers?
Barry barry barry barry, well, you're wrong Stamos, lying is what you're doing...

"It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation."

And it's NOT without Precedence!!

"Graves’ comments suggest that so many changes to the health care law means it's fundamentally flawed. Actually, major pieces of legislation rarely remain the same as the day the president signs them into law.

The Medicare prescription drug benefit, passed under President George W. Bush, was changed several times after its initial passage.

Both that law and the recent health care law lay a government program on top of a complex private market system, said Ted Marmor, a professor of health policy at Yale University.

"Patches on a patchwork mean making a coherent quilt very difficult," Marmor said.

Even though the country had about two years to get ready for the Medicare drug program, about the same as with Obamacare, some pieces were not in place when the program launched, said Jack Hoadley, a research professor at the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University.

"States were worried that bunches of people would show up on Jan. 1, 2005, and not be able to get their prescription drugs," Hoadley said. "So some of them started picking up the tab."

Later, Hoadley said, the Bush administration pulled money from another fund to reimburse the states."

Changes to the Affordable Care Act

Some items on the list qualify as significant in the eyes of the health policy experts we contacted. One of the country’s leading authorities on health care law, Timothy Jost at the Washington and Lee School of Law, pointed to three:

A one-year delay in requiring firms with over 50 workers to provide insurance

Scrapping a long-term care insurance program (for nursing home care, for example) called the CLASS Act

Lifting the requirement on businesses to file a form called a 1099 for a variety of business expenses

The administration acted on its own to delay the employer mandate, explaining that the systems were not in place to implement it. The other two changes came through votes in Congress.

"Congress couldn’t find a way to make the CLASS Act actuarially sound," Jost said, "so they repealed it and put the money elsewhere."

As for the business reporting rule, "businesses said this was a huge burden and Congress responded," Jost said. "There was strong bipartisan support, and you could find the votes to make those sorts of changes."

In addition to those three, a program to create consumer health insurance cooperatives was retained but lost $2.2 billion in funding.

Most of the items on the Congressional Research Service list, however, are less dramatic. Several clarified that certain government health insurance programs would count as coverage under the individual mandate. This included Tricare, which covers the military, and insurance through Veterans Affairs.

Other adjustments extended tax breaks, such as a tax credit for families that adopt a child. There were changes in the Medicaid federal matching formula (to keep money flowing to Louisiana after Katrina), and a tweak to the calculation of income that determines the level of premium subsidies in the insurance exchanges.

Such changes are common in Congress, according to our experts.

"Legislators aren't perfect," said Jost. "They don't get everything right the first time. That’s the nature of the legislative process."

It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.
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It's funny thinking the Government should be in control of our healthcare. Everything the Government touches ends up a mess. I read the Obamacare web site doesn't even work but I'm not surprised.
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<quoted text>Where in the law does it say that Barry can make changes without Congressional approval which he already has done with his crony waivers?
Um yeah but, you're lying Stamos, no matter how many time ayou say Barry barry barry barry, you're still lying!!

Obama did not make those changes, they were not done by fiat, changes to laws has happened before, guess who's term it happened under!

"It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation.

We’ve been here before

Graves’ comments suggest that so many changes to the health care law means it's fundamentally flawed. Actually, major pieces of legislation rarely remain the same as the day the president signs them into law.

The Medicare prescription drug benefit, passed under President George W. Bush, was changed several times after its initial passage.

Both that law and the recent health care law lay a government program on top of a complex private market system, said Ted Marmor, a professor of health policy at Yale University.

"Patches on a patchwork mean making a coherent quilt very difficult," Marmor said.

Even though the country had about two years to get ready for the Medicare drug program, about the same as with Obamacare, some pieces were not in place when the program launched, said Jack Hoadley, a research professor at the Health Policy Institute at Georgetown University.

"States were worried that bunches of people would show up on Jan. 1, 2005, and not be able to get their prescription drugs," Hoadley said. "So some of them started picking up the tab."

Later, Hoadley said, the Bush administration pulled money from another fund to reimburse the states.

The law required insurance plans to set up systems to keep an eye on people who took many different medications. The goal was to make sure the drugs were compatible. The purpose was sensible but as of 2005, the technology wasn’t ready.

"Something very important has happened since the president did win the election," Graves said on ABC’s This Week. "He himself has amended, delayed, or repealed 19 components of his very own law. So if it's so good for America, then why he is delaying it for his friends in big business?"

We wondered if in fact, Obama has made that many changes in the law.

Graves’ office pointed us to a letter from the Congressional Research Service, the nonpartisan think tank for Congress. The Congressional Research Service review listed 19 times the Affordable Care Act changed since it was passed in 2010. The report counted 14 public laws and five administrative actions that made a variety of modifications to the law.

For the record, we note that a dozen of those adjustments took place before the 2012 election, and not after as Graves said. The timing seems less important than the substance of what was done.

Changes to the Affordable Care Act

Some items on the list qualify as significant in the eyes of the health policy experts we contacted. One of the country’s leading authorities on health care law, Timothy Jost at the Washington and Lee School of Law, pointed to three:

A one-year delay in requiring firms with over 50 workers to provide insurance

Scrapping a long-term care insurance program (for nursing home care, for example) called the CLASS Act

Lifting the requirement on businesses to file a form called a 1099 for a variety of business expenses

The administration acted on its own to delay the employer mandate, explaining that the systems were not in place to implement it. The other two changes came through votes in Congress.

As for the business reporting rule, "businesses said this was a huge burden and Congress responded," Jost said. "There was strong bipartisan support, and you could find the votes to make those sorts of changes.
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It's funny thinking the Government should be in control of our healthcare. Everything the Government touches ends up a mess. I read the Obamacare web site doesn't even work but I'm not surprised.
The Government is NOT controlling your healthcare, they are forcing YOU to CONTROL YOUR HEALTHCARE so the rest of us don't have to pay for you!

Conservatives used to understand that, now, their hatred burries their own past convictions.
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Actually, it's the Law, he needs to do no such adjustments to Laws in order to have Congress do it's job and pass a budget resolution they couldn't address 6 months earlier.
Hostage taking IS WRONG, it's astonishing that you think it's SOP!
You want to address laws, you do that in legislative process, when you lose that process, you don't get to stomp your feet, cry and whine and cause deliberate harm to everyone in the country!!
What IF dems said they would only keep the Government open if Congress passes a background check for all gun purchases, something >90% of this country wants?
Yeah right, you'd scoff at that just as this stunt is being scoffed at!!!
Obama made all kinds of changes without going through congress...can't have it both ways. I didn't here you throwing a hissy fit when he was doing that.
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and news in Illinois...

http://watchdog.org/107421/pay-more-get-less-...

...more to come...

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The Government is NOT controlling your healthcare, they are forcing YOU to CONTROL YOUR HEALTHCARE so the rest of us don't have to pay for you!
Conservatives used to understand that, now, their hatred burries their own past convictions.
This has never been about access to health care, everyone had access before this mess. It has always been about getting federal control over the entire medical field and through that into your finances and personal, private information that you wouldn't reveal willingly to anyone.
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Obama made all kinds of changes without going through congress...can't have it both ways. I didn't here you throwing a hissy fit when he was doing that.
Oh right, cause you said so huh Factless!

Even though it posted twice, you still come up short on comprehension!

"It is also clear that Obama did not drive the majority of the changes. They emerged as Congress worked on various elements of a multi-faceted law. Still, Obama signed off on those changes as part of larger pieces of legislation. "

But do keep trying to make everyone believe your Faux Snews spinning!
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In your dream world they have.
The Budget was supposed to go to Committee, SIX MONTHS AGO! But Republicans decided they would rather negotiate through extortion and Hostage taking instead so here we are.
"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) appeared on "Face the Nation" yesterday and made clear that he's confused about the federal budget process. Noting that the House and Senate have passed competing spending measures intended to keep the government's lights on, the Republican senator asked, "Why don't we have a conference committee on this?"
It fell to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) to patiently try to explain the details Rand Paul must have missed: "We've been trying for more than six months to get Republicans to approve a conference committee on the budget."
It's worth taking a moment to remember that this crisis isn't an accident -- congressional Republicans created it on purpose several months ago.
In the early spring, both the House and Senate approved competing budget resolutions, and under the American system of government, both sides were supposed to go to a conference committee to hash out the differences. This year, Republicans refused. Consider this Washington Post piece from early May, which is all the more amazing nearly five months later.
[The shrinking deficit] might seem like good news, but it is unraveling Republican plans to force a budget deal before Congress takes its August break. Instead, the fiscal fight appears certain to bleed into the fall, when policymakers will face another multi-pronged crisis that pairs the need for a higher debt limit and the fresh risk of default with the threat of a full-scale government shutdown, which is also looming Oct. 1.
In the meantime, Republicans face a listless summer, with little appetite for compromise but no leverage to shape an agreement. Without that leverage, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday, there is no point in opening formal budget negotiations between the House and the Senate.
This is critically important to understanding what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. If the House and Senate had gone to a conference committee back in the spring to work out their budget differences, Republicans would have been expected to compromise to reach a broader agreement -- but Republicans don't want to compromise.
So they decided to abandon the budget process they themselves had asked for so they could do precisely what they're doing now -- use extortion instead of compromise to try to get what they want.
Nice try true to form Factless!
This one is pretty easy...if you've read through the budget proposals, the Senate proposal included absolutely nothing to work on the issues that will happen when Medicare and Social Security situations self-destruct. In addition, the deficits after the 10 year plan was still way above 500 billion a year.

In contrast, the House proposal had a section specifically designated to start work on finding some potential solutions for the upcoming problems for both Social Security and Medicare. In addition, the 10 year plan gets our deficit down to around 250 billion and is much closer to a balanced budget. This would give us the ability to start thinking about how our country pays down all this debt hanging over our heads and the heads of our kids and grandkids.

Why should the House consider a budget proposal that doesn't do as good a job? I know it comes from Obama and the Democrats in the Senate and the House is just supposed to accept it, right?

The budget proposals from The Senate won't do what we need it to do and The House rejected it before even wasting any time on it...smart move.

So here we are with The House doing its job...refusing to provide funding for bad policy. Just because Obama rammed the law up our butts doesn't mean The House has to fund it...thats their job.
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"Why should the House consider a budget proposal that doesn't do as good a job? I know it comes from Obama and the Democrats in the Senate and the House is just supposed to accept it, right?

The budget proposals from The Senate won't do what we need it to do and The House rejected it before even wasting any time on it...smart move."

Oh an easy one huh, how the heck come do you have it all wrong then?

3 step process, it's how it works

Senate proposes Budget
House proposes Budget
In Committee, they, here's the word you don't want to hear, COMPROMISE.

paying the bills happens.

Are you OK now with how it actually works?

THAT, could have happened six months ago, REpublicans didn't want to! Now you want to do it under extortion and hostage taking, it's a (really bad for you) tactic, a childish and ignorant stunt, there is no connection of the appropriations CR and the ACA, NONE!

So, you got nothing but an attempt at a campaign to convince people, you didn't do it on purpose and it's all Obama's fault!

Best of luck, there's no way the rest of the country is as stupid as you.
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The Government is NOT controlling your healthcare, they are forcing YOU to CONTROL YOUR HEALTHCARE so the rest of us don't have to pay for you!
Conservatives used to understand that, now, their hatred burries their own past convictions.
Easy there Cindy hot pants. I'm happy with the current medical plan I have for my family and have no problem affording it. My problem is let's say YOUR life partner stumbles out of a bar drunk and high on drugs. Why does it become my problem to pay their medical bills?
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Okie Dokie,

You are wrong again dumb ass. Taken right from the United States Constitution...ya know that document?

All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

The Senate can propose amendments to a bill offered by The House, but they aren't authorized to produce the bill themselves...just because thats what they try to do doesn't mean its correct.

Thats one of the big problems, when Democrats don't like the rules, they don't obey them. Obama is the best example of that with everything he's done the last 6 years, going around any law he didn't like and making it up as he goes along.
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Okie Dokie,
You are wrong again dumb ass. Taken right from the United States Constitution...ya know that document?
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.
The Senate can propose amendments to a bill offered by The House, but they aren't authorized to produce the bill themselves...just because thats what they try to do doesn't mean its correct.
Thats one of the big problems, when Democrats don't like the rules, they don't obey them. Obama is the best example of that with everything he's done the last 6 years, going around any law he didn't like and making it up as he goes along.
Keep making your bogus arguments nutjob, Budgetary process has changed since 1776 DUMBAZZ, there's ONE THING I'D like to make clear to you!

HOSTAGE TAKING IS WRONG! It's astonishing that this has to be told to you people. Holding people's well being hostage for ransom, to extort something, is unacceptable to MOST Americans!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Bu...

Holding the country hostage because you don't like a law, attaching that to the budget is also unacceptable, and your Reps know it!!!!!

It's nothing more than a hissy fit by a small group of extremists, PERIOD!
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Yup, explain that to the Veterans that had to remove barriers blocking an OPEN MONUMENT just because the Democrats are having a temper tantrum. The open monuments are just fine without the funding right now, but Obama wants to make sure that anything visible is impacted in the worse way...you really must think people are stupid and can't see what they're doing.

Yup, explain that to the girl that cannot get her cancer treatements because Reid says it isn't as importnant as getting his "all or none" option. The Senate are the "hostage takers" if there are any hostages being taken.
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Okie Dokie,

You obviously never read the nonsense you post or the links you attach within your post. The budget control acts or changes clearly state procedural changes within each branch of government but IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE ORIGINAL FUNCTIONS OF THE TWO HOUSES IN CONGRESS.

I know you have few brain cells, and as long as I have enough energy, I will try to teach you something even though it is obviously pretty hopeless...I guess I'm just a good guy in that way.
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Yup, explain that to the Veterans that had to remove barriers blocking an OPEN MONUMENT just because the Democrats are having a temper tantrum. The open monuments are just fine without the funding right now, but Obama wants to make sure that anything visible is impacted in the worse way...you really must think people are stupid and can't see what they're doing.
Yup, explain that to the girl that cannot get her cancer treatements because Reid says it isn't as importnant as getting his "all or none" option. The Senate are the "hostage takers" if there are any hostages being taken.
Nice try, we're supposed to believe Harry Reid is a Conservative who doesn't support funding for cancer kids, really! That's your argument. Like I said, only a brainfart could believe that!
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Yup, explain that to the Veterans that had to remove barriers blocking an OPEN MONUMENT just because the Democrats are having a temper tantrum. The open monuments are just fine without the funding right now, but Obama wants to make sure that anything visible is impacted in the worse way...you really must think people are stupid and can't see what they're doing.
Yup, explain that to the girl that cannot get her cancer treatements because Reid says it isn't as importnant as getting his "all or none" option. The Senate are the "hostage takers" if there are any hostages being taken.
How about NAtional Security? No worries? How about the CDC? How about NASA, how about....the other >100 programs and agencies that are shut down?

It's a stunt, a gimmick, trying to control the messaging, not trying to Govern!!!
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The Righwing Taliban is holding the country Hostage!
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/obamaca...

Republicans are just lying to supoort their ideology.

They're not afraid the ACA won't work, they're afraid it will so they're holding the country Hostage to gut that one law, period!!

It has nothing to do with the budget, it has nothing to do with the ACA, the ACA has launched and will keep going, it's not part of the CR on the budget.

It's a hissy fit by the tEa party Taliban, hold it all Hostage, extort ransom just to keep the Government open!!
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Now, they don't even want anything, they insist they get something, they don't care what!!!!!!

""We're not going to be disrespected," conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. "We have to get something out of this. And I don't know what that even is."

Go ahead, Republicans, tell us another one about how the shutdown is Democrats' fault.

The quote is just ... perfect. "We're not going to be disrespected" helps capture the extent to which Republican lawmakers are acting like a street gang, hurting the country deliberately out of some twisted sense of self-serving pride. "We have to get something out of this" reinforces the way in which GOP officials are holding the country hostage, expecting a ransom to be paid.

And "I don't know what that even is" makes clear that Republicans are being driven by a mindless radicalism. There's no meaningful policy goal in mind; there's no substantive motivation; there isn't even a strategic end goal. There's just a primal instinct and a right-wing id causing a national crisis."

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