and further in the Obamacare debacle... http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/07/wh... maybe someone should tell Obama it's time to stop lying to everybody...he really looks like an idiot saying the same bullshit when his website and the law he is defending says he is lying. Disgraceful... Can't expect much from a guy that calls to congratulate a newly elected mayor, and calls the wrong guy...gotta wonder how this idiot got to be President.
Og please, the terms disgraceful and idiot have already been taken!!!!!!!!!!
"George W. Bush only man alive to make Forest Gump look smart"
"A political puppet of large companies whose main goals in life are getting rich and destroying the planet in the process. That's not a president, that's a prostitute!"
"George W Bush is America's greatest village idiot."
"Perhaps the worst, most hypocritical, idiotic president the U.S. has ever had in office (and anyone who supports him and his war effort in the Middle East needs a foot broken up into his/her ass and his/her facts straightened out)."
"I can't take four more years of dingus ruining our country"
"He's our current president. I am a very Christian person and I hate the man. Yes, he's Christian but he doesn't seem to get separation of church and state. And I don't get how you could say abortions are a sensless waste of life yet send innocent people off to war and blow up people in an underdeveloped country for shady reasons. And I'm sick of the conservatives calling themselves 'normal people' and 'patriots'. I have a normal, boring life and I love my country, but I could never love GWB."
"Shrub never had, nor will ever have, the backbone."
"Disgraceful: In 8 Years, George W. Bush Never Greeted Fallen Troops"
"More than half the country now considers Bush dishonest and untrustworthy, and a decisive plurality consider him less trustworthy than his predecessor, Bill Clinton"
Business week drivel! In so many ways, geography is destiny when it comes to Obamacare. The cost of health plans offered on the new insurance marketplaces varies widely from state to state. Access to the expanded Medicaid program depends on where you live because many GOP-led states opted out of the expansion. And for those who need some help figuring out how the new insurance exchanges work, there’s also a geographic divide. In most states, so-called navigators are available to assist the uninsured in enrolling either via the online sites or on paper. But in some states, these helpers are scarce. Here’s why: Roughly a dozen Republican-led states have enacted laws that make it harder to become a navigator by either forcing them to complete more than the 20-to-30 hours of training the federal government requires or by making them apply for special licenses and charging annual fees to keep the paperwork current. There are exams to pass, too, and hefty $1,000 fines for violating the rules. Missouri, Ohio, and Tennessee passed broad legislation that prevents navigators from offering advice about health plans. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-... Kinda seems like it's really happening huh asswipes!
Yes, heaven forbid that we should ask people that are assisting others with making insurance choices to actually learn something about what they will be doing. Insurance companies hire CERTIFIED PROFESSIONALS to assist people with making these choices, but you obviously advocate that we just let ACORN come in and assist people without knowing what the fuck they're doing...you are the typical stupid kind of Democrat.
No wonder Obama likes you...stupid is as stupid does.
<quoted text> Yes, heaven forbid that we should ask people that are assisting others with making insurance choices to actually learn something about what they will be doing. Insurance companies hire CERTIFIED PROFESSIONALS to assist people with making these choices, but you obviously advocate that we just let ACORN come in and assist people without knowing what the fuck they're doing...you are the typical stupid kind of Democrat. No wonder Obama likes you...stupid is as stupid does.
Stupid is blaming ACORN which doesn't exist anymore.
How about the last "victim" to be pushed by the noise machine?
"The Wall Street Journal caused quite a stir this week with an op-ed from Edie Littlefield Sundby, a California woman whose private insurer is poised to end her coverage. Because Sundby is a cancer survivor with access to great care, the right immediately seized on her case as the ultimate “Obamacare victim,” and she was rushed onto Fox News. This woman, we were told, is in grave danger because of the Affordable Care Act.
The details, however, matter. Sundby’s insurer, United Healthcare, is pulling out of the individual market to save money – something that happened routinely before the reform law was signed – and the company decided there’s far less profit to be made covering sicker patients like her. As Igor Volsky explained,“The company packed its bags and dumped its beneficiaries because it wants its competitors to swallow the first wave of sicker enrollees only to re-enter the market later and profit from the healthy people who still haven’t signed up for coverage.”
But what about Sundby going forward? What will this Obamacare critic do now? Volsky has a follow-up piece today, noting that under the Affordable Care Act, Sundby will fare rather well.
Relying on PacifiCare’s base rate filings with the California Department of Insurance, ThinkProgress estimated how much Sundby and her husband (who is on the same plan) could be paying for a high-deductible PPO in the individual health care market in 2013. We grew the base premium filed by the company by a conservative 40 percent to account for underwriting – the process by which insurers increase premiums to account for beneficiaries’ health profile.(On average, PacificCare increases base premiums by as much as 50 percent and given Sundby’s high medical expenses, her policy was likely heavily underwritten.) We also assumed that the couple hit all maximums in accounting for the average annual cost, estimating that they will pay approximately $37,000 for health care by the end of 2013.
And where does that leave Sundby and her family? With a choice of plans in California in which she’ll save thousands of dollars a year in premiums, have a lower deductible, and gain coverage that can’t be taken away. Indeed, in addition to saving money, Sundby will gain the new consumer protections that will strengthen her health security.
Remember, this story wasn’t cherry-picked by ThinkProgress to make the Affordable Care Act look good; this story was cherry-picked by the right to make the law look bad.
In this “horror story,” we’re talking about a consumer who’ll pay less for better insurance and greater security. It’s these relevant details that didn’t seem to make the cut in many of the reports this week.
"It’s been nearly two weeks since CBS’s “60 Minutes” aired a report that caused considerable excitement from Benghazi conspiracy theorists. Though much of the report, a full year in the making, covered familiar ground, the segment also highlighted an alleged witness to the attack, who said he scaled a 12-foot wall, beat an al Qaeda fighter with the butt of his rifle, and personally saw Ambassador Chris Stevens’ body.
The man’s name is Dylan Davies – he used a pseudonym on “60 Minutes” for no apparent reason – and he has a book coming out about his Benghazi experience, published by a CBS-owned company that releases far-right books from conservative personalities.
Almost immediately, Davies’ story started to unravel – he’d previously told his employers he was nowhere near the U.S. consulate during the attack. Making matters worse, Davies told the FBI the opposite of what he’d told “60 Minutes.” By earlier this week, the defense was that Davies lied before, but the public should neverthless believe his dramatic tale that makes him look like a hero.
The CBS reporters involved with the story continued to defend it anyway, brushing off broad criticism as politically motivated, and insisting that their segment was accurate. On last week’s edition of “60 Minutes,” the show featured feedback from viewers who cheered the segment, but made no mention of the burgeoning controversy.
That posture collapsed last night. The CBS program said about 12 hours ago that it had “learned of new information that undercuts the account” from their alleged witness. Soon after,“60 Minutes” pulled the segment from its website.
And this morning, CBS’s Lara Logan appeared on air to say,“We will apologize to our viewers and we will correct the record on our broadcast on Sunday night…. The truth is that we made a mistake.”
It’s worth noting that the “60 Minutes” error was consequential: its report add fuel to conspiracy theorists’ fire for no reason, and led Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) to start blocking all administrative nominees awaiting Senate confirmation votes.
If recent history is any guide, far-right activists and lawmakers will be unfazed by the unraveling of the CBS report, and will continue to argue that their debunked, wild-eyed allegations are true.
Let me try to simplify things for slow learners. If you refuse to buy Obamacare the Government will charge you obsene amounts of money and if you refuse to pay you will go to jail for life. What's left to ponder? Just give Obama your money already!
I hate it when you obstructionists ask stupid questions like 'where does all of the surpluss money go?' Your stupid questions make me want to set my face on fire with lighter fluid and then put it out with a pitch fork. YOU IDIOTS.
<quoted text> Only a moron like you believes that a simple name change is sufficient, when all the people are the same. Your stupidity is eclipsed only by Obamas stupidity.
Only an a-hole like you takes a couple people and labels them a whole organization!! People doing the public good is soooooo offensive! How dare they want to help anyone at any time. Why aren't they just selfish and ignorant like you!!
"Noble lies have in many ways defined the debate over the Affordable Care Act, but the vast majority of them have been lies conservatives told in a failed effort to nix reform. Death panels are the most famous such lie. Another is that Obamacare is destroying the economy, creating a part-time labor pandemic and a major obstacle to recovery from the great recession. A third is that it will blow up the debt.
A fourth, also still with us, is that Obamacare is a stalking horse for socialized healthcare."
And when the numbers of affected people are 3% of the whole of the market
the notion that the president “lied” about the health care law pretty silly – at worst, he oversimplified a complex issue in a way the right is now exploiting because conservatives have nothing better to do – but even if take the claims at face value, there’s no question as to which side of the political divide has been more honest about the basics in this debate.
Lying is bad. People shouldn’t lie. But on this score, just ask yourself whose descriptions of Obamacare were closer to reality: Obama’s or the Republican Party’s? It isn’t even a close call.
Death Panels! Socialism! Destroying the economy!! Causing more debt!!!!
Reasonable people can argue over the seriousness of the “if you like your health care plan, you can keep it” assurances. But it’s been curious, to put it mildly, to hear President Obama’s Republican critics spend the last two weeks arguing that an unreliable claim related to health care...
is the single greatest threat to the fabric of our democracy they’ve ever seen!
These are, of course, the same group of lawmakers who’ve taken dishonesty about health care to almost unimaginable levels.
One could write a book – a fairly long one, at that – about the scope of Republican mendacity on the “Obamacare” law they love to hate. Indeed, the lies have been so numerous and so sustained for so long, it’s hard to even know where to start.
Jon Stewart, who criticized the Affordable Care Act many times in recent years, told viewers this week,“Yes, the president was somewhat dishonest about the promise of his healthcare program, but here’s the weird part: his opponents have been lying like motherf***ers about its effects.”
The changed plans are the 3% of the population who purchased junk policies between when the law was passed and now. Insurance companies knew these would come to an end, so they sold many of them. They're bad policies that don't cover anything, have massive co-pays, small limits and can be cancelled when the buyer gets sick.
THOSE are the protections the law gives consumers! They can't sell lemon policies anymore!
So, it seems the GOP lies are much more deliberate and not even a % true!!
Geeze buddy...hope your neck is OK from all that spinning. Don't hurt yourself trying to change the truth and make it agree with your failed beliefs. Even Obama is now admitting he didn't quite tell the truth and is apologizing, and here you are, still claiming it is someone else's fault...you are the worse kind of moron.
What "fault" is there? Did he hurt your feelings or something cause none of it affects you or your coverage.
And we already know, you don't GAS about anyone else but your own BS story.
Champion of poor people who don't have insurance are you? Champion of working poor who don;t get coverage from their employers? Champion of the 36 Million without coverage are you?!
Hardly Factless, you don't GAS about anyone or if they've were lied to or anything else, you only care about Teabagging the President!!!!
Where was he born Teabagger? Is he the legitimate President Teabagger? Is he a Muslim Teabagger? Is he a Socialist Teabagger??
You're the worst kind of moron, you think all that is just fine!!!
The President's statements are 97% true! The changed plans are the 3% of the population who purchased junk policies between when the law was passed and now. Insurance companies knew these would come to an end, so they sold many of them. They're bad policies that don't cover anything, have massive co-pays, small limits and can be cancelled when the buyer gets sick. THOSE are the protections the law gives consumers! They can't sell lemon policies anymore! So, it seems the GOP lies are much more deliberate and not even a % true!!
Your lying again....my Mom had a wonderful policy that she never had to worry about. All the billing from the doctors and prescriptions went straight to Blue Cross/Blue Shield and she never had to even deal with premiums.
Now, she will have to pay the premiums and then submit to be reimbursed, tying up her money for a month or so on a never-ending basis. Nice thing to happen to a 76 year old that never thinks of anything but doing for others. She now has higher copays and will have to eat a higher deductible than before...Blue Cross wasn't a "jumk plan" at all.
Some of us have already seen the "true" reality of the changes that were imposed on the insurance industry. But it is OK because my Mom deserves to be hassled every month so some sleazebag parasite interested in taking from everyone else can get something for nothing.
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