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Here we go again...really? really? really?
You're going to compare an addon for prescription drugs(Part D)to medicare, which is something the Democrats love VS a complete government takeover of the health insurance industry, with sweeping mandatory changes in coverage, who can be covered, allowable deductibles, co-insurance, and limits.
Thats even a stretch for you, but I guess once you're on a roll, the bullshit just kind of takes on a life of its own.
Typical Factless response, youm don't care to understand the point of the post, the point is

"Republican Hypocracy on display!!"

The congressman said one thing when it was a Republicann problem, another completely different thing when the shoe is on the other foot!

It's the Hypocracy stupid, that's the point!!
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I should just go hit myself in the head with a rock as it will be more productive than trying to discuss anything with the Teabagger Factless!

BTW, piss moan cry all you want, you're going to be doing it a very, very long time cause your BS, is front and center of your party. And you're going to be losing election after election cause you think it's all working just great!!!

You just keep that mentality Factless, keep trying to make people believe Faux Snewsbot bubble propaganda, you did so well in 2012!!!!
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"Obama knows damn well that NOTHING that Republicans propose for trying to deal with the issues regarding Social Security and its future insolvency will EVER get past Reid and Pelosi and their buddies in The Senate"
And you said I twist and turn?
You specifically said "Obama won't negotiate". When I prove you are lying, you pivot to Pelosi and reid!
YOU SAID HE WON'T, I proved he will!!! And then you misdirect to others. You're a real POS at supposed "discussion".
Then you try this keenly worded BS
"complete government takeover"
CAre to admit to your big lie of the day LIAR??? Once again, caught with your lies out in public.
Is Obama "mandating" the debt limit be raised???
It's called paying your bills dumbass!
You say I'm twisting and turning, I'm responding to your BS twists and turns by proving factually, they are just that, BS lies!!!
You cannot even admit, you're a Teabagger! What's your problem admitting who you are? Could it be you don't want to be one, don't want to admit you are one??? Why is that? Is there something wrong with admitting you are one?
You're a riot!! Obama agrees to something he is assured he will never have to agree to, and you call it negotiating...that has to be one of the dumbest statements I've read in a very long time...no wonder you are up his ass.

Look dumbass, you can't even come close to understanding anything of any value...God knows I've tried to help you understand even the most simple of concepts, but I can't fix your obvious stupidity...I've only found this kind of stupidity in one other person...Kevin Lynch, and we all know he is completely fucked up in the head, so I'm all done trying to reason with you...can't be done...bye bye
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"understanding anything of any value"

Right, got it, it's just me who thinks all I've proven to you last couple days, why then this...?

Five generations of Tafts have served our nation as unwaveringly stalwart Republicans, from Alphonso Taft, who served as attorney general in the late 19th century, through William Howard Taft, who not only was the only person to be both president of the United States and chief justice of the United States but also served as the chief civil administrator of the Philippines and secretary of war, to my cousin, Robert Taft, a two-term governor of Ohio.

As I write, a photograph of my grandfather, Senator Robert Alphonso Taft, looks across at me from the wall of my office. He led the Republican Party in the United States Senate in the 1940s and early 1950s, ran for the Republican nomination for president three times and was known as “Mr. Republican.” If he were alive today, I can assure you he wouldn’t even recognize the modern Republican Party, which has repeatedly brought the United States of America to the edge of a fiscal cliff — seemingly with every intention of pushing us off the edge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/opinion/the ...

"Throughout my family’s more than 170-year legacy of public service, Republicans have represented the voice of fiscal conservatism. Republicans have been the adults in the room. Yet somehow the current generation of party activists has managed to do what no previous Republicans have been able to do — position the Democratic Party as the agents of fiscal responsibility.

Speaking through the night, Senator Ted Cruz, with heavy-lidded, sleep-deprived eyes, conveyed not the libertarian element in Republican philosophy that advocates for smaller government and less intrusion into the personal lives of citizens, but a new, virulent strain of empty nihilism:“blow it up if we can’t get what we want.”

This recent display of bomb-throwing obstructionism by Republicans in Congress evokes another painful, historically embarrassing chapter in the Republican Party — that of Senator Joseph McCarthy, chairman of the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations, whose anti-Communist crusade was allowed by Republican elders to expand unchecked, unnecessarily and unfairly tarnishing the reputations of thousands of people with “Red Scare” accusations of Communist affiliation. Finally Senator McCarthy was brought up short during the questioning of the United States Army’s chief counsel, Joseph N. Welch, who at one point demanded the senator’s attention, then said:“Until this moment, Senator, I think I never really gauged your cruelty or your recklessness.” He later added:“Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

Watching the Republican Party use the full faith and credit of the United States to try to roll back Obamacare, watching its members threaten not to raise the debt limit — which Warren Buffett rightly called a “political weapon of mass destruction”— to repeal a tax on medical devices, I so wanted to ask a similar question:“Have you no sense of responsibility? At long last, have you left no sense of responsibility?”

There is more than a passing similarity between Joseph McCarthy and Ted Cruz, between McCarthyism and the Tea Party movement. The Republican Party survived McCarthyism because, ultimately, its excesses caused it to burn out. And eventually party elders in the mold of my grandfather were able to realign the party with its brand promise: The Republican Party is (or should be) the Stewardship Party. The Republican brand is (or should be) about responsible behavior. The Republican party is (or should be) at long last, about decency.

What a long way we have yet to go.

And the many polls taken that have you and your BS Teabaggers tactics and games playing pegging at a about 25% favorability?

Because everyone see through your BS, they don't live in your little bubble of misinformation and BS!
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"but a new, virulent strain of empty nihilism:“blow it up if we can’t get what we want.”

This recent display of bomb-throwing obstructionism by Republicans in Congress evokes another painful, historically embarrassing chapter in the Republican Party — that of Senator Joseph McCarthy,"

Makes it pretty clear huh, just like I've said here too!

"Watching the Republican Party use the full faith and credit of the United States to try to roll back Obamacare, watching its members threaten not to raise the debt limit — which Warren Buffett rightly called a “political weapon of mass destruction”— to repeal a tax on medical devices, I so wanted to ask a similar question:“Have you no sense of responsibility? At long last, have you left no sense of responsibility?”

Of course you don't as I've proven as well. You're completley shameless, no moral bearings or integrity, nothing.

Don't forget your mantra

Obama seeks to destroy the country
He's a muslim
HE's un American
he's a socialist!(see McCarthyism above!)
And America's problems only started in January 2009!!!!!!!
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Since you believe, every news outlet, every media organization, every newspaper, every pundit, every broadcaster and communications companies are "in Obama's pocket" and are all telling only lies, we'll look forward to your next fox news link!!!

Cause, they, only them, one media organization, is the only one telling the truth!!!!!!!!!!

It's a little orwellian don't you think!?!?

Watch the spinning wheel Factless, you're getting sleepy, when you awake, you'll belive nothing but that which we've drilled into your head. No the things people say to you on the outside aren't true, only the misinformation and direction we gave you is real. Proceed to promote what we tell you to promote, you're a soldier in the mis-information campaign of the century!!!!
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Did your daddy eve diddle you?
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Good Morning Everyone,

In the news today...

The Fitchburg Police Department was called in to invstigate an odd sound cming from the home of Reality.

The sound permeated the entire neighborhood and had many people alarmed.

When police arrived, they heard a sound similar to the sound a baby makes when they are feeding from a bottle of formula.

Upon entering the residence of Reality, they found that it was only Reality sucking on Obama's left cheek...what a relief! Mystery solved.

Have a wonderful Friday and a great weekend!!
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Just Facts wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,
In the news today...
The Fitchburg Police Department was called in to invstigate an odd sound cming from the home of Reality.
The sound permeated the entire neighborhood and had many people alarmed.
When police arrived, they heard a sound similar to the sound a baby makes when they are feeding from a bottle of formula.
Upon entering the residence of Reality, they found that it was only Reality sucking on Obama's left cheek...what a relief! Mystery solved.
Have a wonderful Friday and a great weekend!!
See, that's the best you can do on your own!
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Its a good thing our Republican Representatives are pushing for answers...we sure don't want another Benghazi...Obama and the Democrats that voted for Obamacare would like people to forget or ignore whats happening with the failed rollout, just like they got people to forget about Americans being uselessly killed in Benghazi.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/25/go...
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This just in: Team Obama has changed its rallying cry of “Yes We Can” to “No We Can’t.”

Can’t do anything right, that is.

The second term is only 10 months old, but it feels like a decade of failure. It’s been all downhill since the inauguration, and the rollout of ObamaCare suggests things will get worse before they get better. Much worse.

Even Obama’s skill — making speeches before adoring crowds — is a punch line, thanks to Monday’s dreary infomercial. Jon Stewart, who usually reserves his barbs for Republicans, mocked the president’s performance in ways that had to warm Ted Cruz’s heart. When Dems lose Stewart, they’re in deep doo-doo.

Obama's second term is only 10 months old, but it feels like a decade of failure.
The comedian better have paid his taxes. This White House is not shy about using the IRS to enforce loyalty. And Consumer Reports should look over its shoulder after telling readers to “stay away” from the ObamaCare site until it is fixed.

The computer problems are just the start. The law is a variation on a Ponzi scheme in that it relies on young, healthy new customers to provide insurance companies with the money to pay for treating older, sicker ones.

Because of sweeping dictates on coverage, many potential buyers will face sticker shock. Some will choose to pay a fine instead, further pushing up the cost for those who enroll.

For others, including people in private plans, the law’s impact on premiums, deductibles and co-pays will drive up, not down, the cost of care.

Then there is the cost for the bureaucratic army needed to take over one-sixth of the economy. The expensive tech “surge” Obama promises will add to the estimated $400 million spent on the computer system alone.

All that explains why ObamaCare is his “signature” achievement. It perfectly reflects his arrogance and incompetence.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/24/oba...
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Its a good thing our Republican Representatives are pushing for answers...we sure don't want another Benghazi...Obama and the Democrats that voted for Obamacare would like people to forget or ignore whats happening with the failed rollout, just like they got people to forget about Americans being uselessly killed in Benghazi.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/25/go...
Fox news bubblebot BS!
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This just in: Team Obama has changed its rallying cry of “Yes We Can” to “No We Can’t.”
Can’t do anything right, that is.
The second term is only 10 months old, but it feels like a decade of failure. It’s been all downhill since the inauguration, and the rollout of ObamaCare suggests things will get worse before they get better. Much worse.
Even Obama’s skill — making speeches before adoring crowds — is a punch line, thanks to Monday’s dreary infomercial. Jon Stewart, who usually reserves his barbs for Republicans, mocked the president’s performance in ways that had to warm Ted Cruz’s heart. When Dems lose Stewart, they’re in deep doo-doo.
Obama's second term is only 10 months old, but it feels like a decade of failure.
The comedian better have paid his taxes. This White House is not shy about using the IRS to enforce loyalty. And Consumer Reports should look over its shoulder after telling readers to “stay away” from the ObamaCare site until it is fixed.
The computer problems are just the start. The law is a variation on a Ponzi scheme in that it relies on young, healthy new customers to provide insurance companies with the money to pay for treating older, sicker ones.
Because of sweeping dictates on coverage, many potential buyers will face sticker shock. Some will choose to pay a fine instead, further pushing up the cost for those who enroll.
For others, including people in private plans, the law’s impact on premiums, deductibles and co-pays will drive up, not down, the cost of care.
Then there is the cost for the bureaucratic army needed to take over one-sixth of the economy. The expensive tech “surge” Obama promises will add to the estimated $400 million spent on the computer system alone.
All that explains why ObamaCare is his “signature” achievement. It perfectly reflects his arrogance and incompetence.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2013/10/24/oba...
More Fox news bubblebot BS!
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Since you believe, every news outlet, every media organization, every newspaper, every pundit, every broadcaster and communications companies are "in Obama's pocket" and are all telling only lies, we'll look forward to your next fox news link!!!

Cause, they, only them, one media organization, is the only one telling the truth!!!!!!!!!!

It's a little orwellian don't you think!?!?

Watch the spinning wheel Factless, you're getting sleepy, when you awake, you'll belive nothing but that which we've drilled into your head. No the things people say to you on the outside aren't true, only the misinformation and direction we gave you is real. Proceed to promote what we tell you to promote, you're a soldier in the mis-information campaign of the century!!!!
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Since you believe, every news outlet, every media organization, every newspaper, every pundit, every broadcaster and communications companies are "in Obama's pocket" and are all telling only lies, we'll look forward to your next fox news link!!!
Cause, they, only them, one media organization, is the only one telling the truth!!!!!!!!!!
It's a little orwellian don't you think!?!?
Watch the spinning wheel Factless, you're getting sleepy, when you awake, you'll belive nothing but that which we've drilled into your head. No the things people say to you on the outside aren't true, only the misinformation and direction we gave you is real. Proceed to promote what we tell you to promote, you're a soldier in the mis-information campaign of the century!!!!
When Rupert Murdoch was poised to add the Wall Street Journal to his media empire, there were a few concerns about what it would mean for the one of the nation’s most powerful news organizations. Little did we know at the time just how far the newspaper would go.

The WSJ now has an online feature called “The Experts,” in which the paper features commentary from specialists and authorities in their given fields. Yesterday, as Jon Chait discovered, this meant giving ’70s-era actress Suzanne Somers a forum to attack the Affordable Care Act as a “socialist Ponzi scheme.”

The piece is a bizarre, 543-word screed, filled with strange errors of fact and judgment, culminating in Somers’s attempt to draw a historical parallel:“It’s the dark underbelly of the Affordable Care Act reminiscent of what Lenin and Churchill both said. Lenin:‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.’ Churchill:‘Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens.’”

As the paper’s editors later conceded, the quotes Somers relied on aren’t real.

An earlier version of this post contained a quotation attributed to Lenin (“Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state”) that has been widely disputed. And it included a quotation attributed to Churchill (“Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens”) that the Journal has been unable to confirm.

What’s more, as Chait noted, the argument doesn’t make any sense anyway, since Churchill was a strong proponent of a national health care system.

But even putting that aside, can the **Wall Street Journal** explain why, exactly, it’s presenting Suzanne Somers to its readers as an “expert”?

I can, because faux snewsbots believe every word of it, that's why!!

Indeed, it’s possible the right has grown confused over what “expertise” even means. Fox News and House Republicans consider John McAfee to be a credible expert;

"John McAfee, following some notable drug-induced escapades, moved to Belize, where he surrounded himself with firearms, bodyguards, and teenaged girlfriends. When a neighbor filed a noise complaint against McAfee, the neighbor was soon after shot in the head and killed.

McAfee then fled Belize, was detained in Guatemala, and was deported back to the United States.

This is the man House Republicans have sought out for guidance on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act."

"Horowitz, for example, is one of the nation’s most abrasive anti-Muslim activists, a notorious conspiracy theorist who’s dabbled in some ugly racial politics, and someone who believes political correctness will lead to a “totalitarian future.” He’s also written books with titles like “Hating Whitey and Other Progressive Causes” and “The Race Card: White Guilt, Black Resentment, and the Assault on Truth and Justice.”

And who better to help broaden the RNC’s appeal than the guy who wrote “Hating Whitey”?

the Republican National Committee considers David Horowitz to be an equally reliable authority; and now the **WSJ** is publishing strange pieces from Suzanne Somers on health care policy she doesn’t understand.

well you know cause mass media bla blah blah!!!

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If you don't like Fox, don't watch it. I think if you're a liberal and watch Fox you watch it because you do want to hear the truth but you don't won't to accept the truth and therefore go on posts and cry and complain that they aren't fair. That's why Fox has the best ratings over the other networks because people want to hear the truth and not BS such as what is coming from the other networks.

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When Rupert Murdoch was poised to add the Wall Street Journal to his media empire, there were a few concerns about what it would mean for the one of the nation’s most powerful news organizations. Little did we know at the time just how far the newspaper would go.
The WSJ now has an online feature called “The Experts,” in which the paper features commentary from specialists and authorities in their given fields. Yesterday, as Jon Chait discovered, this meant giving ’70s-era actress Suzanne Somers a forum to attack the Affordable Care Act as a “socialist Ponzi scheme.”
The piece is a bizarre, 543-word screed, filled with strange errors of fact and judgment, culminating in Somers’s attempt to draw a historical parallel:“It’s the dark underbelly of the Affordable Care Act reminiscent of what Lenin and Churchill both said. Lenin:‘Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state.’ Churchill:‘Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens.’”
As the paper’s editors later conceded, the quotes Somers relied on aren’t real.
An earlier version of this post contained a quotation attributed to Lenin (“Socialized medicine is the keystone to the arch of the socialist state”) that has been widely disputed. And it included a quotation attributed to Churchill (“Control your citizens’ health care and you control your citizens”) that the Journal has been unable to confirm.
What’s more, as Chait noted, the argument doesn’t make any sense anyway, since Churchill was a strong proponent of a national health care system.
But even putting that aside, can the **Wall Street Journal** explain why, exactly, it’s presenting Suzanne Somers to its readers as an “expert”?
I can, because faux snewsbots believe every word of it, that's why!!
Indeed, it’s possible the right has grown confused over what “expertise” even means. Fox News and House Republicans consider John McAfee to be a credible expert;
"John McAfee, following some notable drug-induced escapades, moved to Belize, where he surrounded himself with firearms, bodyguards, and teenaged girlfriends. When a neighbor filed a noise complaint against McAfee, the neighbor was soon after shot in the head and killed.
McAfee then fled Belize, was detained in Guatemala, and was deported back to the United States.
This is the man House Republicans have sought out for guidance on the implementation of the Affordable Care Act."
"Horowitz, for example, is one of the nation’s most abrasive anti-Muslim activists, a notorious conspiracy theorist who’s dabbled in some ugly racial politics, and someone who believes political correctness will lead to a “totalitarian future.” He’s also written books with titles like “Hating Whitey and Other Progressive Causes” and “The Race Card: White Guilt, Black Resentment, and the Assault on Truth and Justice.”
And who better to help broaden the RNC’s appeal than the guy who wrote “Hating Whitey”?
the Republican National Committee considers David Horowitz to be an equally reliable authority; and now the **WSJ** is publishing strange pieces from Suzanne Somers on health care policy she doesn’t understand.
well you know cause mass media bla blah blah!!!
what a long winded response that no one will read. You're a windbag.
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what a long winded response that no one will read. You're a windbag.
STFU spammer!

Is Suzanne Summers now the expert on healthcare in America??

The only reason you won't read it is there are too many words for you!

I'll make it easy for you, Fox News LIES constantly, such as the quote I just gave you!
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It's the hypocracy stupid!!!

"Last week, the House Energy and Commerce Committee launched the first in a series of show trials hearings into problems with the Affordable Care Act’s rollout, but there was a problem that lurked just below the surface. GOP members on the panel were outraged by three weeks of “Obamacare” troubles, but said nothing when the Medicare Part D rollout struggled badly for months under Bush/Cheney.

In one especially jarring example, Rep. Joe Barton (R-Texas), in high dudgeon last week, said during systemic Medicare Part D breakdowns,“This is a huge undertaking and there are going to be glitches.”

And with the House Ways & Means Committee holding its own hearing today, some quotes from Republican committee members during the Medicare Part D problems to highlight the same problem:

Rep. Kevin Brady (R-Texas):“I think it needs to be understood that in a major reform, an improvement of a program like this, there are bound to be glitches.”

Rep. Tom Price (R-Ga.):“Kinks” in Part D got “worked out.”

Rep. Sam Johnson (R-Texas) to CMS official:“You guys have done a super job.”

Fmr. Rep. Nancy Johnson (R-Conn.):“This is a major change in the Medicare program and it is not surprising that there have been implementation pitfalls along the way.”

Also at the time, Mark McClellan, the CMS administrator under Bush/Cheney, told lawmakers,“Establishing a standard of absolute perfection for this transition, when dealing with over 6 million dual eligible individuals, is clearly untenable…. A change this big in this short a period of time is bound to have some problems.”

Republicans, at the time, found all of this quite reasonable.

Here’s a two-prong test for GOP lawmakers raising a fuss now:(1) Were you in Congress during the Medicare Part D rollout?(2) Did you complain bitterly, question the administration’s competence, condemn the law, refuse to help fix the system, and call for officials’ resignations?

yes and no, they did not!

It's the hypocracy stupid!

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STFU spammer!
Is Suzanne Summers now the expert on healthcare in America??
The only reason you won't read it is there are too many words for you!
I'll make it easy for you, Fox News LIES constantly, such as the quote I just gave you!
lol calling me a spammer when you litter this forum with useless diatribe day in and day out. You Obama nutswinger.

You know that you are in trouble when SNL is making fun of you and NBC news (not FOX) is reporting that The Commander in Chief is a liar.

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