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#1 Oct 1, 2013
What a surprise...you would think with all of the money they take from us, they could get something right...nope, wishful thinking.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/09/30/ob...
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#2 Oct 1, 2013
When the website does work, those folks that are in massachusetts are sent to the Massachusetts Connector to check on premiums for the plans offered in Massachusetts.

The lowest premium available for people that won't qualify for some assistance with the premium is $ 1,000 per month...can you imagine being forced to pay $ 1,000 per month for medical insurance??

Yup, really affordable for middle income families.

We really should send a letter of Thanks to all those Democrats that forced this on everyone, whether locally in the state of Massachusetts or now at the Federal level.

Maybe we need them to also force us to start buying Life Insurance because everyone dies, but some people can't afford being buried because that is getting expensive too.

maybe we need them to force everyone to buy a house because everyone should have a house, and we can certainly have the middle class and wealthy pony up the money so people that cannot afford those things can have them too.

I'm sure we can think of all kinds of things that everyone MUST HAVE and be forced to buy them.
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#3 Oct 1, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
When the website does work, those folks that are in massachusetts are sent to the Massachusetts Connector to check on premiums for the plans offered in Massachusetts.
The lowest premium available for people that won't qualify for some assistance with the premium is $ 1,000 per month...can you imagine being forced to pay $ 1,000 per month for medical insurance??
Yup, really affordable for middle income families.
We really should send a letter of Thanks to all those Democrats that forced this on everyone, whether locally in the state of Massachusetts or now at the Federal level.
Maybe we need them to also force us to start buying Life Insurance because everyone dies, but some people can't afford being buried because that is getting expensive too.
maybe we need them to force everyone to buy a house because everyone should have a house, and we can certainly have the middle class and wealthy pony up the money so people that cannot afford those things can have them too.
I'm sure we can think of all kinds of things that everyone MUST HAVE and be forced to buy them.
Hmmmm, by "forcing" people to buy something, are you referring to the Individual Mandate by any chance?

"BAck when individual responsibility was important to Conservatives...

"In this 2007 interview, Mitt Romney defends the individual mandate that was a part of the health care legislation he signed into law in Massachusetts.

"When they show up at the hospital, they get care, they get free care, paid for by you and me. If that's not a form of socialism, I don't know what is. So my plan did something quite different. It said, you know what, if people can afford to buy insurance, if they can afford to buy insurance, or if they can pay their own way, then they either buy that insurance or pay their own way, but they no longer look to government to hand out free care. And that, in my opinion, is ultimate conservatism. That's why the Heritage Foundation worked with us and was at the celebration of the signing. The Heritage Foundation, as you know, a quintessentially conservative group, recognized that the principles of free enterprise and personal responsibility were at work. And I'm proud to talk about what we did. We did not need to raise taxes. We did not need to have the government take over health care. Instead, we rely on private market dynamics to get people in our state insured and for individuals to finally take responsibility for some portion of their health care rather than expecting government to give them a free ride."

Now, they ignore all past history and simply hate a black President with the heat of a thousand suns so they cast aside everything they ever stood for!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

Why isn't personal responsibility important to you anymore? it was a platform and Mitt say's so right here, Conservatives should love this, why don't they now? It's their idea, it's their work, it's their direction.

When people don't have healthcare insurance, they get free care at the Hospital and we all pay for their free care, why isn't personal responsibility important to Conservatives anymore???

Anyone who doesn't GET insurance for themselves are freeloaders!! Expecting you and I to pay for their Hospital visits, Republicans don't care about that anymore???
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#4 Oct 1, 2013
Just Facts

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#5 Oct 1, 2013
You really need to get a grip on things and understand that just because someone leans a particular way on political issues, the actions of a political party or even of a given politician are not always acceptable to someone in the same party.

I already told you that I didn't agree with Massachusetts doing it either...it has nothing to do with personal responsibility...if you are so damn hyped up about personal responsibility, start posting about all the people that forsake personal responsibility and live off the taxpayers wallet.

Personal responsibility cannot be legislated by mandatory laws...you are either care about it or you don't.
LoLbama

Fitchburg, MA

#6 Oct 1, 2013
If you think that the Obamacare was about anything other than the Democrats using their one chance in a generation with a supermajority in congress to seize as much control of a huge sector of the economy as they could, you're sadly mistaken.
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#7 Oct 1, 2013
LoLbama wrote:
If you think that the Obamacare was about anything other than the Democrats using their one chance in a generation with a supermajority in congress to seize as much control of a huge sector of the economy as they could, you're sadly mistaken.
Right, what are you going to do about it? As everyone knows, you're not repealing it, EVER, means NEVER!!!

If you have an idea, it needs to be introduced and debated through Congress. EXTORTION, is not how the system works.

And again, you won't be repealing it, ever!!

So, all this pain and LOSS OF GDP is for a HISSY FIT and a HISSY FIT only! You lost on the 2008 election, you lost on the ACA, you lost on the 2012 election while claiming the repeal and replace slogan, you lost in the Supreme Court and you'll lose this attempt at repeal as well.

You voted 42 times to repeal it, knowing it will never happen (waste tax payer time and money), you'll waste the recovery for millions for nothing but a HISSY FIT!!!!
LoLbama

Fitchburg, MA

#8 Oct 1, 2013
OK will do wrote:
<quoted text>
If you have an idea, it needs to be introduced and debated through Congress. EXTORTION, is not how the system works.
Right because special interests dipping their hands in the process of writing the laws had nothing to do with this debacle. Right simpleton.
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#9 Oct 1, 2013
New York state residents will be able to get health insurance next year on the Obamacare exchange for half the average price available in the state today.
The cost of a "silver" plan -- which covers at least 70% of medical costs, on average -- will drop to as little as $359 a month for a single adult Manhattan resident, for instance, according to a rate sheet released Wednesday by state officials. Currently, the cheapest plan a city resident can buy on the individual market is $1,001.

The Empire State is the latest to reveal premiums that are lower than current rates. Residents inCalifornia and Oregon, among others, will also have offerings that are cheaper than many plans on the market today. The administration and Democrats trumpeted the news, which runs counter to argument advanced by Obamacare opponents who said that health reform would cause rates to skyrocket.

These Americans can't wait until they can apply for health insurance under the new state-based exchanges, scheduled to open for enrollment in October. For some with pre-existing conditions, there are no other options.

http://money.cnn.com/gallery/news/economy/201...
Just Facts

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#11 Oct 2, 2013
Its good to see that our House of Representatives is FINALLY doing the job it is meant to do! One of the primary responsibilities is to control the governments use of our money and it is the only house that can put forth a budgetary bill according to our design.

The House has put forth NUMEROUS budget bills for the Senate and President Obama to authorize, and here we are 5 or 6 years later, and Obama and his Democrats have never allowed our budget to be completed.

It is interesting that the mass media has shaped public sentiment by convincing everyone that Republicans in the House of Representatives are obstructionists, when the truth is the Democrats in the Senate as well as President Obama have been the true obstructionists...they continue to refuse anything that will move our country's economy forward, if they can't get what they want...with them, it is "all or nothing".

The latest examples are the bills sent to the Senate that are funding bills for current operations within the government that are shutdown...the Senate and Obama stated they will deny or veto anything that doesn't give them what they want.

The House of Representatives is the part of our government responsible for putting spending bills out to be agreed, and they have been trying to do their job all along...too bad the Democrats and Obama keep blocking whatever they try to do to move us forward.
Boehner and Cantor

Gardner, MA

#12 Oct 2, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
Its good to see that our House of Representatives is FINALLY doing the job it is meant to do! One of the primary responsibilities is to control the governments use of our money and it is the only house that can put forth a budgetary bill according to our design.
The House has put forth NUMEROUS budget bills for the Senate and President Obama to authorize, and here we are 5 or 6 years later, and Obama and his Democrats have never allowed our budget to be completed.
It is interesting that the mass media has shaped public sentiment by convincing everyone that Republicans in the House of Representatives are obstructionists, when the truth is the Democrats in the Senate as well as President Obama have been the true obstructionists...they continue to refuse anything that will move our country's economy forward, if they can't get what they want...with them, it is "all or nothing".
The latest examples are the bills sent to the Senate that are funding bills for current operations within the government that are shutdown...the Senate and Obama stated they will deny or veto anything that doesn't give them what they want.
The House of Representatives is the part of our government responsible for putting spending bills out to be agreed, and they have been trying to do their job all along...too bad the Democrats and Obama keep blocking whatever they try to do to move us forward.
In your dream world they have.

The Budget was supposed to go to Committee, SIX MONTHS AGO! But Republicans decided they would rather negotiate through extortion and Hostage taking instead so here we are.

"Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) appeared on "Face the Nation" yesterday and made clear that he's confused about the federal budget process. Noting that the House and Senate have passed competing spending measures intended to keep the government's lights on, the Republican senator asked, "Why don't we have a conference committee on this?"

It fell to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) to patiently try to explain the details Rand Paul must have missed: "We've been trying for more than six months to get Republicans to approve a conference committee on the budget."

It's worth taking a moment to remember that this crisis isn't an accident -- congressional Republicans created it on purpose several months ago.

In the early spring, both the House and Senate approved competing budget resolutions, and under the American system of government, both sides were supposed to go to a conference committee to hash out the differences. This year, Republicans refused. Consider this Washington Post piece from early May, which is all the more amazing nearly five months later.

[The shrinking deficit] might seem like good news, but it is unraveling Republican plans to force a budget deal before Congress takes its August break. Instead, the fiscal fight appears certain to bleed into the fall, when policymakers will face another multi-pronged crisis that pairs the need for a higher debt limit and the fresh risk of default with the threat of a full-scale government shutdown, which is also looming Oct. 1.

In the meantime, Republicans face a listless summer, with little appetite for compromise but no leverage to shape an agreement. Without that leverage, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday, there is no point in opening formal budget negotiations between the House and the Senate.

This is critically important to understanding what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. If the House and Senate had gone to a conference committee back in the spring to work out their budget differences, Republicans would have been expected to compromise to reach a broader agreement -- but Republicans don't want to compromise.

So they decided to abandon the budget process they themselves had asked for so they could do precisely what they're doing now -- use extortion instead of compromise to try to get what they want.

Nice try true to form Factless!

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#13 Oct 2, 2013
Barry wants the shutdown so Obamacare will fail, and they can institute what they've wanted all along, a single payer health care system. What better way to spread the wealth than through eventual mandated fees against the wealthy. That is the main goal. If they own your healthcare, they own you.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/ma...
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#14 Oct 2, 2013
With the deadline for a government shutdown now just 16 hours away, there's a dirty little secret that hasn't received as much attention as it deserves: there's an obvious solution that enjoys the support of the White House, a majority of the Senate, and a majority of the House. It's not going anywhere, however, because House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) is too afraid of the idea.

It came up briefly yesterday on "Meet the Press" when Dee Dee Myers asked Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) a good question. So what's the endgame, though, congressman?" Myers said. "Are you willing to vote for a continued resolution that comes back [to the House] that does not delay or defund Obamacare?"

"I am not, but I think there's enough people in the Republican Party who are willing to do that," the far-right congressman responded.

And there it is: the obvious resolution. A temporary budget bill (or "continuing resolution") that keeps current spending levels in place, and leaves the federal health care system alone, has already been approved by the Senate. The White House has said President Obama would sign it. And if it came to the House floor for a vote, it'd probably get a majority there, too, ending the threat of a shutdown.

Indeed, Labrador isn't the only one who thinks so. Reps. Peter King (R-N.Y.), Charlie Dent (R-Pa.), and Steve Womack (R-Ark.) have all made similar comments in recent days.

So why doesn't the House GOP leadership just take the obvious step and allow the House to vote on the Senate bill? Boehner may yet do exactly that -- like I said, there are still 16 hours to go -- but he's balked up until now because he insists on placating his far-right members.

We're on the brink of another shutdown, because Boehner is a weak Speaker who has allowed extremists to push him around -- and push us to another Republican-imposed crisis.

There was also this from the Hill yesterday:

House Republicans, who insisted that they had passed a compromise over the weekend that would avoid a shutdown if only the Senate would act, blamed Mr. Reid for purposely running out the clock.

Ah yes, a "compromise." The House GOP unanimously approved a measure that would strip millions of Americans of their health care benefits for a year, while blocking access to contraception for much of the public. Republicans then told the Senate to pass this or they'd shut down the government -- and this is, in their strange minds, a "compromise."
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#15 Oct 2, 2013
Why didn't Republicans in the House go to Committee with the budget six months ago like they are supposed to do?

Here they are, making believe they offered that, except, they offer it under duress of extortion at midnight last night!

"'As a last-minute stunt, House Republicans, who've spent the last six months refusing to enter budget negotiations with Democrats, announced late last night that they're ready for budget negotiations with Democrats. Early this morning, GOP leaders selected the eight members they'd like to send to these negotiations, known as a "conference committee."

True to form, Republicans chose eight middle-aged, far-right white guys, most of whom are from the south. They then put the eight GOP lawmakers in a conference room across from empty chairs, and tweeted the picture in the hopes of making it appear that they, unlike those rascally Democrats, are "ready to negotiate."

And if there's one thing Republicans are good at, it's debating empty chairs, right Clint Eastwood?

In case anyone is tempted to find this silly little picture/gambit compelling, let's note a few relevant details Republicans desperately hope you don't know.

1. Democrats pleaded with Republicans to enter budget talks for six months, but Republicans refused, fearing such talks might lead to a compromise. For GOP officials to throw out the idea last night with literally less than an hour to go before the shutdown deadline was cheap and childish, even by Republican standards.

2. GOP leaders now say they're ready to "compromise," but only if they take away health care benefits, and only if Republicans don't have to accept any concessions. I've come to believe GOP lawmakers are genuinely, sincerely confused about what the word "compromise" actually means. I'm tempted to take up a collection and buy them all dictionaries.

3. Democrats have said they're prepared to participate in the conference committee anyway if Republicans would only end the government shutdown.

So if the eight middle-aged, far-right white guys want to stop losing a debate to empty chairs and start governing, they should move past these little stunts and turn the government's lights on."

Stunts, Hissy fits, grandstanding, Hostage taking, extorion and shutting the Government down! THAT'S how today's Republicons THINK we're supposed to work.

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader/status/38507521...

You just wish everyone was as stupid and gullible as you!!
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#16 Oct 2, 2013
It's a slimdown!!!! Factless said with a straight face!!!

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) appeared on "Face the Nation" yesterday and made clear that he's confused about the federal budget process. Noting that the House and Senate have passed competing spending measures intended to keep the government's lights on, the Republican senator asked, "Why don't we have a conference committee on this?"

Talk about out if touch, BECAUSE YOU WON'T GO THERE! What ignorance? Same ignorance they expect from you followers!!

It fell to Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) to patiently try to explain the details Rand Paul must have missed: "We've been trying for more than six months to get Republicans to approve a conference committee on the budget."

I mention this exchange because I imagine there are quite a few Americans wondering how in the world we ended up, once again, with the prospect of an imminent government shutdown. It's worth taking a moment to remember that this crisis isn't an accident -- congressional Republicans created it on purpose several months ago.

In the early spring, both the House and Senate approved competing budget resolutions, and under the American system of government, both sides were supposed to go to a conference committee to hash out the differences. This year, Republicans refused. Consider this Washington Post piece from early May, which is all the more amazing nearly five months later.

[The shrinking deficit] might seem like good news, but it is unraveling Republican plans to force a budget deal before Congress takes its August break. Instead, the fiscal fight appears certain to bleed into the fall, when policymakers will face another multi-pronged crisis that pairs the need for a higher debt limit and the fresh risk of default with the threat of a full-scale government shutdown, which is also looming Oct. 1.

In the meantime, Republicans face a listless summer, with little appetite for compromise but no leverage to shape an agreement. Without that leverage, House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Tuesday, there is no point in opening formal budget negotiations between the House and the Senate.

This is critically important to understanding what's happening on Capitol Hill right now. If the House and Senate had gone to a conference committee back in the spring to work out their budget differences, Republicans would have been expected to compromise to reach a broader agreement -- but Republicans don't want to compromise.

So they decided to abandon the budget process they themselves had asked for so they could do precisely what they're doing now -- use extortion instead of compromise to try to get what they want.

The government may shut down in 15 hours, but it's not an accident. Indeed, it could have been easily avoided if Congress had just done what Congresses are supposed to do when the House and Senate disagree on the budget. But Republicans insisted on this confrontation, hoping that if they just threatened enough harm, maybe Democrats would put aside the election results and meet some or all of the GOP's demands.

There is a process already in place that's intended to prevent disasters like these. House Republicans deliberately rejected it because they wanted a crisis, assuming it would give them "leverage" so they wouldn't have to compromise at all.

They cried and cried and cried about not having a Budget to hash out, they got one, THEN refused to hash it out in Committee and instead prefer to hold everything Hostage even while what they asked for WAS ON THE TABLE!!!

It's a GOP manufactured shut down of the Government, great show!! Thanks a padload! And you THINK this is going to help you in coming elections?!??!
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#17 Oct 2, 2013
Stamos wrote:
Barry wants the shutdown so Obamacare will fail, and they can institute what they've wanted all along, a single payer health care system. What better way to spread the wealth than through eventual mandated fees against the wealthy. That is the main goal. If they own your healthcare, they own you.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/02/ma...
Oh boy a Fuax Snews opinion!!!

Republicans aren't afraid it won't work, Republicans are afraid it will work!!!!

10 years from you the clown show won't be calling it Obamacare!!!
Just Facts

United States

#18 Oct 2, 2013
Actually, there really is a solution to all of this...

The Republicans should offer to fund ObamaCare IF all of the provisions go into effect all at once, and Congress has to join the rest of us in the process. Obama selectively eliminated provisions within the law that selectively suited him and his cronies...labor unions and others that are responsible for putting him in office, and then he expects Republicans to say it is ok...IT ISN'T ok.

If it is such a good thing, then implement the entire law, not just the pieces and parts of it that Obama wants.

So they should offer that to Obama, and let him decided if he really thinks his law is so damn good for everyone.

They need to offer him the same thing he always offers, "All or Nothing".
OK will do

Gardner, MA

#19 Oct 2, 2013
Just Facts wrote:
Actually, there really is a solution to all of this...
The Republicans should offer to fund ObamaCare IF all of the provisions go into effect all at once, and Congress has to join the rest of us in the process. Obama selectively eliminated provisions within the law that selectively suited him and his cronies...labor unions and others that are responsible for putting him in office, and then he expects Republicans to say it is ok...IT ISN'T ok.
If it is such a good thing, then implement the entire law, not just the pieces and parts of it that Obama wants.
So they should offer that to Obama, and let him decided if he really thinks his law is so damn good for everyone.
They need to offer him the same thing he always offers, "All or Nothing".
Actually, it's the Law, he needs to do no such adjustments to Laws in order to have Congress do it's job and pass a budget resolution they couldn't address 6 months earlier.

Hostage taking IS WRONG, it's astonishing that you think it's SOP!

You want to address laws, you do that in legislative process, when you lose that process, you don't get to stomp your feet, cry and whine and cause deliberate harm to everyone in the country!!

What IF dems said they would only keep the Government open if Congress passes a background check for all gun purchases, something >90% of this country wants?

Yeah right, you'd scoff at that just as this stunt is being scoffed at!!!

Since: Feb 10

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#20 Oct 2, 2013
OK will do wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, it's the Law, he needs to do no such adjustments to Laws in order to have Congress do it's job and pass a budget resolution they couldn't address 6 months earlier.
Hostage taking IS WRONG, it's astonishing that you think it's SOP!
You want to address laws, you do that in legislative process, when you lose that process, you don't get to stomp your feet, cry and whine and cause deliberate harm to everyone in the country!!
What IF dems said they would only keep the Government open if Congress passes a background check for all gun purchases, something >90% of this country wants?
Yeah right, you'd scoff at that just as this stunt is being scoffed at!!!
Where in the law does it say that Barry can make changes without Congressional approval which he already has done with his crony waivers?

Since: Feb 10

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#21 Oct 2, 2013
OK will do wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh boy a Fuax Snews opinion!!!
Republicans aren't afraid it won't work, Republicans are afraid it will work!!!!
10 years from you the clown show won't be calling it Obamacare!!!
Not, 10 years from now we will be calling it what it really is, Obomacide!

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