What an

Boston, MA

#21 Mar 21, 2014
Lynch for Chief wrote:
Can you say law suit against the city and the Mayor????
For what? There was "contingency" applied.
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#22 Mar 21, 2014
Lynch for Chief wrote:
Can you say law suit against the city and the Mayor????
No lawsuit, part of the application process was to disclose ALL criminal history and that means for his entire life and for ALL incidents involving the police and courts. That also means disclosing sealed cases and any incidents of being CHARGED with a crime.
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#23 Mar 21, 2014
Stamos wrote:
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Honestly, it would make me feel great that I got the job. If ones ego of being 2nd choice for such a position as the Chief of Police is that lame then they don't deserve the position in the first place. With your thinking then what kind of "respect" do you suppose an "acting" Chief will garner?
Most public safety employees do not want to be a Chief. It is a totally different position and is an all administrative and finance duty job. Maybe one member in the force will actually have the qualifications for the job.

Maybe to a civilian it would seem that a police chief job is what all the department members want but it is actually just the opposite.

It has nothing to do with ego. Someone who is qualified to be a Chief will need a masters degree in business administration and finance. There are public safety employees that come right from college and move thru the ranks quickly because they want to be Chief.

These members are usually meant for the top administrative job and were not really interested in being an officer but they knew they had to do their time.

If the candidate was not the 1st pick then obviously the Mayor didn't have confidence in the runner ups.
Nope

Leominster, MA

#24 Mar 21, 2014
Scoop wrote:
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Once eliminated from the search the other candidates can not be considered. All candidates going into the process understands this.
This eliminates the runner up from being appointed in case the finalists does not get the position. The reason for this is because the runner ups may have some hostility and bitterness from not being picked the first time.
The city will not take a chance of appointing a runner up that will feel that they are viewed as the second choice and may feel resentment throughout their term.
I wish your model were entirely true. Let me give you an example. Take for example the Democratic party during Presidential nomination. They will spend millions ripping each other apart to get the nomination. Then once the winner is elected he appoints all of the losers top official jobs. Look at the mess that philosophy has put us in.
Nope

Leominster, MA

#25 Mar 21, 2014
Obama gave the Important jobs in Government to Kerry, Hillary, Biden etc. all Presidential losers and when you look at the state of the Nation now from their 'leadership' it's obvious none of them deserve the titles they received.
Leominster Idiot

Boston, MA

#26 Mar 21, 2014
Nope wrote:
<quoted text>I wish your model were entirely true. Let me give you an example. Take for example the Democratic party during Presidential nomination. They will spend millions ripping each other apart to get the nomination. Then once the winner is elected he appoints all of the losers top official jobs. Look at the mess that philosophy has put us in.
Leave it to Leominster Idiot to drag a perfectly useful and important discussion down to Obama and Dem bashing!!!!

I suppose the fact that you don't have a job is their fault? I suppose the fact that you're an idiot is also their fault.

Jtn

Concord, MA

#27 Mar 21, 2014
Check out wongs past ,blink blink
Nope

Leominster, MA

#28 Mar 21, 2014
Leominster Idiot wrote:
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Leave it to Leominster Idiot to drag a perfectly useful and important discussion down to Obama and Dem bashing!!!!
I suppose the fact that you don't have a job is their fault? I suppose the fact that you're an idiot is also their fault.
Sorry delusional jealous boy. I have earned my money and success. I owned my first business when you were still learning how to read. Not everyone like yourself has to rely on Government freebies to pay bills.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#29 Mar 21, 2014
Scoop wrote:
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Most public safety employees do not want to be a Chief. It is a totally different position and is an all administrative and finance duty job. Maybe one member in the force will actually have the qualifications for the job.
Maybe to a civilian it would seem that a police chief job is what all the department members want but it is actually just the opposite.
It has nothing to do with ego. Someone who is qualified to be a Chief will need a masters degree in business administration and finance. There are public safety employees that come right from college and move thru the ranks quickly because they want to be Chief.
These members are usually meant for the top administrative job and were not really interested in being an officer but they knew they had to do their time.
If the candidate was not the 1st pick then obviously the Mayor didn't have confidence in the runner ups.
There were 3 candidates that were selected by the search committee. All were qualified for the position. One was chosen by Wong then disqualified because she learned he hadn't been forthcoming during the hiring process. So you're now saying the other two are also disqualified because she didn't choose them in the first place and that they need not reapply? What about all the other candidates that applied for the position too, have they all been disqualified and should not apply? I realize Wong has the final say but It doesn't make sense unless of course she has no faith in the search committee that she appointed. This is a costly process so maybe they should all step down too and she can just form another committee.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#30 Mar 21, 2014
Scoop wrote:
<quoted text>
Most public safety employees do not want to be a Chief. It is a totally different position and is an all administrative and finance duty job. Maybe one member in the force will actually have the qualifications for the job.
Maybe to a civilian it would seem that a police chief job is what all the department members want but it is actually just the opposite.
It has nothing to do with ego. Someone who is qualified to be a Chief will need a masters degree in business administration and finance. There are public safety employees that come right from college and move thru the ranks quickly because they want to be Chief.
These members are usually meant for the top administrative job and were not really interested in being an officer but they knew they had to do their time.
If the candidate was not the 1st pick then obviously the Mayor didn't have confidence in the runner ups.
It sounds like the process is flawed and maybe the background checks should be done before the final pick. It could save people's reputations and allot of embarrassment. This guy is now a marked man if he ever applies for another position.
Nope

Leominster, MA

#31 Mar 21, 2014
Anyone can apply for any job they choose to. For instance when Mr. Lynch pulled papers to run for Mayor and used these forums to promote his silly vision and ideas for the city. Anyone who read his proposals knew right away that his promises were not realistic but it wasn't until his boyfriends sister in law posted his criminal history and lack of character that all suspicions were confirmed.
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#32 Mar 21, 2014
Stamos wrote:
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There were 3 candidates that were selected by the search committee. All were qualified for the position. One was chosen by Wong then disqualified because she learned he hadn't been forthcoming during the hiring process. So you're now saying the other two are also disqualified because she didn't choose them in the first place and that they need not reapply? What about all the other candidates that applied for the position too, have they all been disqualified and should not apply? I realize Wong has the final say but It doesn't make sense unless of course she has no faith in the search committee that she appointed. This is a costly process so maybe they should all step down too and she can just form another committee.
Why would they want to reapply anyways? Obviously the Mayor did not feel that they were the right person for the job.

The Chief must be the 1st choice out of the field of candidates. There is no second place. The Mayor did not have confidence in the runner ups so they will not get a another chance.

They will not get the job even if they reapplied.

If you don't work in the corporate world or in the public safety sector then you will not understand that the top job is a one time application.

There are hundreds of Police Chief positions open. It is not a desired job. A Police Chief expectant term is only 3-5 years. Most do not stay longer than that.

Take a course in business management and you will understand that a runner up cannot be hired because they know that the hiring authority did not have confidence in them to perform the job that they applied to.

All departments heads have a relationship with the Mayor that is the same as a husband and wife. If the girl you wanted to marry chose you as her second choice and wasn't confident in you would you still marry her? No.

There will be a new pool of candidates that the search committee will start with.
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#33 Mar 21, 2014
Stamos wrote:
<quoted text>
It sounds like the process is flawed and maybe the background checks should be done before the final pick. It could save people's reputations and allot of embarrassment. This guy is now a marked man if he ever applies for another position.
The background checks most likely were done but during the application process the candidates are required to disclose ALL past criminal history even if it is a sealed case or just a CHARGED crime and not a convicted one.

Look at it the other way, if he felt it wasn't a big deal why didn't he just disclose the information about his past sealed cases and charges?

Sounds like he was hiding something. In the law enforcement world it is not what you say but what you DON'T say that can hurt your character.

As a civilian think the opposite of what you are used to.

Since: Feb 14

Location hidden

#34 Mar 21, 2014
What an wrote:
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Try not to be such an a-hole huh. There's a rational and decent discussion on an extremely important situation, maybe one of the very few to actually happen on this board and here you are just throwing your ignorant nonsense around.
Get a hold of yourself and keep it in your own miserable head.
Low life is no life.
You sound gay.
You Know Who

Orange, VA

#35 Mar 21, 2014
Scoop wrote:
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Most public safety employees do not want to be a Chief. It is a totally different position and is an all administrative and finance duty job. Maybe one member in the force will actually have the qualifications for the job.
Maybe to a civilian it would seem that a police chief job is what all the department members want but it is actually just the opposite.
It has nothing to do with ego. Someone who is qualified to be a Chief will need a masters degree in business administration and finance. There are public safety employees that come right from college and move thru the ranks quickly because they want to be Chief.
These members are usually meant for the top administrative job and were not really interested in being an officer but they knew they had to do their time.
If the candidate was not the 1st pick then obviously the Mayor didn't have confidence in the runner ups.
You seem to be pretty well tuned in to this saga, and all your posts are factual and well written. But, I have to differ with you on the following:

You say that most in public service do not want the Chief's position and you say that egos are not involved. But, we all remember when our beloved DeMoura was made Chief. We had a few high ranking FPD members who had their fragile egos bruised very badly because they figured that they were next in line. So, it was obviuos that 1) they wanted the job. And, 2) they did, in fact have egos. Very fragile egos.

We all had the pleasure of watching those proud men squirm on this very site and behave completely unprofessional. It was funny, yet sad...pathetic in a disturbing kind of way....
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#36 Mar 21, 2014
You Know Who wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem to be pretty well tuned in to this saga, and all your posts are factual and well written. But, I have to differ with you on the following:
You say that most in public service do not want the Chief's position and you say that egos are not involved. But, we all remember when our beloved DeMoura was made Chief. We had a few high ranking FPD members who had their fragile egos bruised very badly because they figured that they were next in line. So, it was obviuos that 1) they wanted the job. And, 2) they did, in fact have egos. Very fragile egos.
We all had the pleasure of watching those proud men squirm on this very site and behave completely unprofessional. It was funny, yet sad...pathetic in a disturbing kind of way....
If I am going to get a Master's degree in business I am not going to waste it on a Police Chief position. I would rather retire and use my degree to earn twice as much in the private sector.

The Chief's job has no resemblance to being a police officer. It is a totally different job. No one wants to sit in an office everyday and balance the budget, work on annual report, write grants and complete other administrative duties. It is a suit and tie job.

Inside officers just want the job to raise their pension. A pension is based on your 3 highest paid years of service.

Out of 90 officers only 2 wanted the job. Think about it.

And a runner up is not going to reapply if they didn't get the job. They DON'T need the job anyways. Either they already have a well paid job or they are retired.

Since: Feb 10

Location hidden

#37 Mar 21, 2014
Scoop wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would they want to reapply anyways? Obviously the Mayor did not feel that they were the right person for the job.
The Chief must be the 1st choice out of the field of candidates. There is no second place. The Mayor did not have confidence in the runner ups so they will not get a another chance.
They will not get the job even if they reapplied.
If you don't work in the corporate world or in the public safety sector then you will not understand that the top job is a one time application.
There are hundreds of Police Chief positions open. It is not a desired job. A Police Chief expectant term is only 3-5 years. Most do not stay longer than that.
Take a course in business management and you will understand that a runner up cannot be hired because they know that the hiring authority did not have confidence in them to perform the job that they applied to.
All departments heads have a relationship with the Mayor that is the same as a husband and wife. If the girl you wanted to marry chose you as her second choice and wasn't confident in you would you still marry her? No.
There will be a new pool of candidates that the search committee will start with.
But the way the process is currently designed is that the pool of candidates are narrowed down to three potential picks by the search committee and then the Mayor has the final choice of picking one. Why even bother having a search committee that gives her three choices and just let her pick from the whole pool of candidates or just let her pick whoever the f'k she wants in the first place? If she picks one that doesn't work out then why not just reach back into the pool? With this process she's going to end up with the best of the worst choice.
Lynch

Fitchburg, MA

#38 Mar 21, 2014
The person from Gardner should not be posting under my name.

But on the subject, I would like for this guy to still be the Chief of Police in Fitchburg. We are beginning to gather signatures requesting for this candidate to be given the job of Chief of police.

Mayor Wong once again dropped the ball. She is worried about an accusation from 1988. Isn't that also her birth year???

Mayor Wong has ailed all the citizens of Fitchburg since she was first elected when it comes to law enforcement. Half measures Mayor avail NOTHING!

I was told by a few people when I was running for Mayor that Lisa Wong would tell you one thing to your face and then she would do the complete opposite.

Mayor, you chose Scott Heagney for this job. You hire a professional search business and appointed a local board to choose. They chose the same guy after months of interviews. Then you chose Mr. Heagney yourself.

Mr. Heagney, the citizens were very excited with the top two both from New York.
Too funny

Fitchburg, MA

#39 Mar 21, 2014
Lynch wrote:
The person from Gardner should not be posting under my name.
But on the subject, I would like for this guy to still be the Chief of Police in Fitchburg. We are beginning to gather signatures requesting for this candidate to be given the job of Chief of police.
Mayor Wong once again dropped the ball. She is worried about an accusation from 1988. Isn't that also her birth year???
Mayor Wong has ailed all the citizens of Fitchburg since she was first elected when it comes to law enforcement. Half measures Mayor avail NOTHING!
I was told by a few people when I was running for Mayor that Lisa Wong would tell you one thing to your face and then she would do the complete opposite.
Mayor, you chose Scott Heagney for this job. You hire a professional search business and appointed a local board to choose. They chose the same guy after months of interviews. Then you chose Mr. Heagney yourself.
Mr. Heagney, the citizens were very excited with the top two both from New York.
Wasting your time getting signatures in support of a person who can not get the job, that makes perfect sense for you Bozo. What happened, you've given up looking for the lost boy and this is your new cause?

Lynch, it's nice having you on Topix because it's always fun to laugh at your idiotic posts. Although I sometimes feel guilty becuase we know you're mentally handicapped. What happened, did Mommy drink a little too much while you were cooking her womb?
Scoop

Gardner, MA

#40 Mar 21, 2014
Lynch wrote:
The person from Gardner should not be posting under my name.
But on the subject, I would like for this guy to still be the Chief of Police in Fitchburg. We are beginning to gather signatures requesting for this candidate to be given the job of Chief of police.
Mayor Wong once again dropped the ball. She is worried about an accusation from 1988. Isn't that also her birth year???
Mayor Wong has ailed all the citizens of Fitchburg since she was first elected when it comes to law enforcement. Half measures Mayor avail NOTHING!
I was told by a few people when I was running for Mayor that Lisa Wong would tell you one thing to your face and then she would do the complete opposite.
Mayor, you chose Scott Heagney for this job. You hire a professional search business and appointed a local board to choose. They chose the same guy after months of interviews. Then you chose Mr. Heagney yourself.
Mr. Heagney, the citizens were very excited with the top two both from New York.
He didn't disclose all of his background. It wasn't his background that made him lose the job it was that he didn't DISCLOSE all of it.

She wasn't worried about the accusation, she is worried that he didn't mention it during the screening. The application stated an applicant will disclose all information pertaining to any legal cases that he was a target of even if it was a sealed case or just being charged.

Why wouldn't he just disclose it to the search committee?

Case closed. He does not want the job now anyways.

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