Thursday's West Islip Board of Ed Agenda

Feb 14, 2013 Full story: Patch.com 260

The West Islip School Board of Education will hold its montly meeting on Thursday at 8 p.m. at West Islip High School.

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Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#145 Feb 20, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
Fire Protection Requirements
All schools in New York state must provide adequate fire protection. Schools must be equipped with a sprinkler system that is present on every floor, in every room and has a central control station or mechanism. Schools also must be equipped with fire extinguishers, a fire alarm and detection system, and a smoke control system. All fire exit routes must be clear and clearly marked in New York schools.
Tandem Code Provisions
The New York State Fire Prevention and Building Code Council stipulates that all schools in the state meet the standards set by the plumbing, mechanical, property maintenance, and fire codes of the state. The plumbing code alone covers general requirements for buildings, as well as water heaters, fixtures, faucets, fixture settings and sanitary draining amidst its 13 chapters and eight appendices. A school must pass an inspection by a state official as per each of these codes to meet Building Code and be opened to the public.
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Effectiveness Requirements
Article 408-A of the New York state code provides that plans for all future elementary, junior high, and high schools must be presented to the commissioner of education and director of the budget for approval. Approval is contingent upon a planned school's ability to fulfill all the spatial and educational needs of students, while adhering to heating, ventilation, lighting, sanitation and health, fire and accident protection requirements. Schools must be economical enough for the state to afford, without sacrificing quality, and be constructed in such a way that any future additions or reconstruction will be easily facilitated and cost effective.
Other Provisions
As per Article 4-A of the New York code for public buildings, all public schools in New York must be handicap accessible. Article 4-C, effective Aug. 26, 2010, stipulates that all new public construction projects and renovations of existing public buildings, including schools, must adhere to green, or environmentally sensitive, building standards. Green building standards are to be developed by the Department of Environmental Conservation, the Department of Health, the Dormitory Authority of the state of New York, the Department of State, the Department of Education, and the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation.
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I can appreciate the amount of effort that went into all the above, but first you have to trust the system in place, and going by how things have been done historically, I am ye of little faith. Thanks again for the effort.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#146 Feb 20, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
<quoted text>
I can appreciate the amount of effort that went into all the above, but first you have to trust the system in place, and going by how things have been done historically, I am ye of little faith. Thanks again for the effort.
cant really argue with you and understand your position. Again, from seeing it for myself, I believe my kids are safe. I dont know where your kids go, but I do 100% believe that when I send my kids on that bus that the teachers and staff will do everything and anything to protect them and that the building is secure and safe. This information made me feel even more sure that they were safe. I understand your concerns and again if it is really bothering you I think you should not stop until you are satisfied with your answers. Good luck.
Mr Grnspn

West Islip, NY

#147 Feb 21, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
Fire Protection Requirements
All schools in New York state must provide adequate fire protection. Schools must be equipped with a sprinkler system that is present on every floor, in every room and has a central control station or mechanism. Schools also must be equipped with fire extinguishers, a fire alarm and detection system, and a smoke control system. All fire exit routes must be clear and clearly marked in New York schools.
Tandem Code Provisions
The New York State Fire Prevention and Building Code Council stipulates that all schools in the state meet the standards set by the plumbing, mechanical, property maintenance, and fire codes of the state. The plumbing code alone covers general requirements for buildings, as well as water heaters, fixtures, faucets, fixture settings and sanitary draining amidst its 13 chapters and eight appendices. A school must pass an inspection by a state official as per each of these codes to meet Building Code and be opened to the public.
Sponsored Links
NFPA Codes and Standards
Browse & purchase NFPA codes. Now with payment by Purchase Orders
www.NFPA.org/catalog
Effectiveness Requirements
Article 408-A of the New York state code provides that plans for all future elementary, junior high, and high schools must be presented to the commissioner of education and director of the budget for approval. Approval is contingent upon a planned school's ability to fulfill all the spatial and educational needs of students, while adhering to heating, ventilation, lighting, sanitation and health, fire and accident protection requirements. Schools must be economical enough for the state to afford, without sacrificing quality, and be constructed in such a way that any future additions or reconstruction will be easily facilitated and cost effective.
Other Provisions
As per Article 4-A of the New York code for public buildings, all public schools in New York must be handicap accessible. Article 4-C, effective Aug. 26, 2010, stipulates that all new public construction projects and renovations of existing public buildings, including schools, must adhere to green, or environmentally sensitive, building standards. Green building standards are to be developed by the Department of Environmental Conservation, the Department of Health, the Dormitory Authority of the state of New York, the Department of State, the Department of Education, and the Office of Parks, Recreation and Historic Preservation.
Read more: New York State Building Codes for Schools | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6800378_new-state-bu...
Mrs. Horvath will all due respectthe information you provided and linked from ehow.com has little to do with N.Y.S. Fire Safety Codes regarding matters of (if) students are being instructed in utility closets within a school building: The two provisions you provided are explicit in their intension for future construction of new schools buildings and new construction of additions to already existing school buildings. The other information you provided is a general outline of fire safety requirements and not indicative to specific N.Y.S. Fire Code Regulations. Please note: Use of the word ^room^ in the information you provided is detailed in N.Y.S. Fire Safety Codes as a space which is of a specific minimum square footage. Therefore it is entirely possible for a utility closet which has less than the minimum square footage required to be identified as a ^room^ not to be equipped with a fire sprinkler head apparatus and still be well within the state’s fire safety codes.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#148 Feb 21, 2013
Mr Grnspn wrote:
<quoted text>
Mrs. Horvath will all due respectthe information you provided and linked from ehow.com has little to do with N.Y.S. Fire Safety Codes regarding matters of (if) students are being instructed in utility closets within a school building: The two provisions you provided are explicit in their intension for future construction of new schools buildings and new construction of additions to already existing school buildings. The other information you provided is a general outline of fire safety requirements and not indicative to specific N.Y.S. Fire Code Regulations. Please note: Use of the word ^room^ in the information you provided is detailed in N.Y.S. Fire Safety Codes as a space which is of a specific minimum square footage. Therefore it is entirely possible for a utility closet which has less than the minimum square footage required to be identified as a ^room^ not to be equipped with a fire sprinkler head apparatus and still be well within the state’s fire safety codes.
so go read the entire safety code. there are exceptions ...yes this is an overview. you are more than welcome to look it up and do some research yourself . don't sit here waiting for information to be posted just so you can complain about it
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#149 Feb 21, 2013
Mr.Grnspn, as far as (if) students are being instructed in utility closets. I don't know if they were utility closets, but a about a month ago a mother named Valerie stated matter of factly that at Bayview there are 5 resource rooms and 3 out of the five were once closets.
If these people can convert closets to learning space than imagine what else they have been able to get away with.
How can anyone be okay with the fact that, for the taxes we pay EACH, that we should be receiving in exchange such substandard accomodations for our kids?
Now I hear that parents went to the BOE last meeting to discuss the substandard situation regarding the amount of children and noise in the Bayview cafeteria?
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#150 Feb 21, 2013
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#151 Feb 21, 2013
Section 155.12 Lease approval and building aid for leased school buildings and facilities by school districts
**(vi) the lease payments or other annual payment under the lease does not include the costs of heat, electricity, water or other utilities or the costs of operation or maintenance of the leased facility;**
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#152 Feb 21, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
Section 155.12 Lease approval and building aid for leased school buildings and facilities by school districts
**(vi) the lease payments or other annual payment under the lease does not include the costs of heat, electricity, water or other utilities or the costs of operation or maintenance of the leased facility;**
Yes all 4 elementary schools are having the same cafeteria issues which were discussed at the BOE meeting.

Next, there was a disclaimer with regard to your Section 155.12 post - with regard to the entire link - Not sure if you noticed it but it says Disclaimer: These Rules of the Regents and Regulations of the Commissioner of Education ("regulations") are unofficial, and are presented for general informational purposes as a public service. Although reasonable efforts have been made to ensure that these regulations are current, complete and accurate, the State Education Department does not warrant or represent that they are current, complete and accurate. These regulations are subject to change on a regular basis. Readers are advised to consult Title 8 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations of the State of New York (8 NYCRR), published by the Department of State, and the State Register for the official exposition of the text of these regulations, as well as for amendments and any subsequent changes or revisions thereto.

Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#153 Feb 21, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes all 4 elementary schools are having the same cafeteria issues which were discussed at the BOE meeting.
Next, there was a disclaimer with regard to your Section 155.12 post - with regard to the entire link - Not sure if you noticed it but it says Disclaimer: These Rules of the Regents and Regulations of the Commissioner of Education ("regulations") are unofficial, and are presented for general informational purposes as a public service. Although reasonable efforts have been made to ensure that these regulations are current, complete and accurate, the State Education Department does not warrant or represent that they are current, complete and accurate. These regulations are subject to change on a regular basis. Readers are advised to consult Title 8 of the Official Compilation of Codes, Rules and Regulations of the State of New York (8 NYCRR), published by the Department of State, and the State Register for the official exposition of the text of these regulations, as well as for amendments and any subsequent changes or revisions thereto.
It's current.
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#154 Feb 21, 2013
They are allowing our children to put up with a deplorable condition which is the direct result of their poor planning and decision making.

The children deserve, as much as the teachers and support staff, as much as you and I, or anyone in a work envirement, the same type of enjoyable dining experience.
It's their break time.

We are supposed to supply them with dignity, not an unsettling and noisy lunch period, which is something they can't help or control and something not all children are able to tolerate.

It's agitating, nauseating and unfair.
Look what they've done!
Occupiablespace

West Islip, NY

#155 Feb 21, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
They are allowing our children to put up with a deplorable condition which is the direct result of their poor planning and decision making.
The children deserve, as much as the teachers and support staff, as much as you and I, or anyone in a work envirement, the same type of enjoyable dining experience.
It's their break time.
We are supposed to supply them with dignity, not an unsettling and noisy lunch period, which is something they can't help or control and something not all children are able to tolerate.
It's agitating, nauseating and unfair.
Look what they've done!
http://www.p12.nysed.gov/dignityact/
Terry

West Islip, NY

#156 Feb 23, 2013
Occupiablespace wrote:
They are allowing our children to put up with a deplorable condition which is the direct result of their poor planning and decision making.
The children deserve, as much as the teachers and support staff, as much as you and I, or anyone in a work envirement, the same type of enjoyable dining experience.
It's their break time.
We are supposed to supply them with dignity, not an unsettling and noisy lunch period, which is something they can't help or control and something not all children are able to tolerate.
It's agitating, nauseating and unfair.
Look what they've done!
What does the school psychologist say about this practice?
WI mom

West Islip, NY

#157 Feb 23, 2013
Why don't you ask her, I'm sure you're friends with her.
Terry

West Islip, NY

#158 Feb 23, 2013
I have no idea who the school psychologists are, I was just wondering if anyone cared enough to seek one out and see how they view learning in closets or children eating in overcrowded lunch rooms.
I suspect they would have a recommendation or have some idea of what the impact is on the overall well being of each student. Sheesh. Just trying to be helpful.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#159 Feb 23, 2013
I havent heard complaints from staff about the rooms.
W I Family

West Islip, NY

#160 Feb 24, 2013
Jessica Horvath wrote:
I havent heard complaints from staff about the rooms.
ATTENTION ALL WI SCHOOL DISTRICT STAFF: YOU ARE NOW INSTRUCTED TO DIRECT ALL COMPLAINTS TO JESSICA HORVATH.
How pompus of you think staff would seek YOU out for their complains.

How ridiculous for anyone to think a school psychologist would make public their disapproval of the district that employs them.
Come on.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#161 Feb 25, 2013
W I Family wrote:
<quoted text>
ATTENTION ALL WI SCHOOL DISTRICT STAFF: YOU ARE NOW INSTRUCTED TO DIRECT ALL COMPLAINTS TO JESSICA HORVATH.
How pompus of you think staff would seek YOU out for their complains.
How ridiculous for anyone to think a school psychologist would make public their disapproval of the district that employs them.
Come on.
I know it must be SO difficult for you but please just TRY to not be an ASS for one second. I am just saying. I also havent heard any complaints from any parents. And you know how this town loves to talk.
W I Family

West Islip, NY

#162 Feb 25, 2013
ATTENTION ALL WI PARENTS: YOU ARE NOW INSTRUCTED TO DIRECT ALL COMPLAINTS TO JESSICA HORVATH.
How pompus of you to think responsible parents would seek you of all people out for their complaints.
Come on.
about time

West Islip, NY

#163 Feb 26, 2013
I also agree with this comment. Why do you think that there are so many turncoats these days? Why? The turncoats have figured it out that they can't fight city hall, so they turn their coats inside out and start wearing the "make peace not war side". It doesn't matter if they compromise all their principles to do this, it's just a matter of not wanting to be the perennial complainer.
Very few people push back, very few people stand up for their rights and fight for the truth and for justice. Sadly it is the 'THEM VS. US' battle, and each day we lose a few to the "if you can't beat em, join em" crowd.
Part of me doesn't blame them completely, it's not normal to have to live your life constantly fighting to hold these people accountable, it's down right exhausting, so it's understandable to a degree. Sometimes you just have to walk away, to regroup, but then, when you return, don't return a different person, do come back a turncoat, come back ever vigilant and ready to hold these people accountable. They shouldn't be there if they end up morphing into a BOE zombie, unrecognizable from the rest. Each member of the BOE is supposed to sit there in the position of doing the bidding of the tax payers. I've heard it's a thankless job. Interesting that word, thankless. Save for a few BOE trustees that have come and gone, a one or two still there, it's hard to find anything about the decisions made over the past (in their name) to be thankful for.
There is a puppeteer among them, who does hold the strings, but he can be fired (wishful thinking) yet his power over them is beyond measure to put it lightly. Will this town ever wake up, or will it always be about the power of the few over the minions? The people must decide.
Jessica Horvath

Brentwood, NY

#164 Feb 26, 2013
W I Family wrote:
ATTENTION ALL WI PARENTS: YOU ARE NOW INSTRUCTED TO DIRECT ALL COMPLAINTS TO JESSICA HORVATH.
How pompus of you to think responsible parents would seek you of all people out for their complaints.
Come on.
I told you to try not to be an ass but clearly that is impossible. I dont expect people to seek me out with their complaints but of all the people I talk to and see every day I have not heard any complaints. That is all I meant.

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