Two boaters killed during Great South...

Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race

There are 80 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 25, 2008, titled Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race. In it, Newsday reports that:

Two people were killed yesterday afternoon when their high-speed racing boat flipped during the Battle on the Bay powerboat race in Great South Bay off the Village of Patchogue, Coast Guard officials said.

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EXTREME RACING G-127

Winchester, IN

#55 Aug 26, 2008
GOD SPEED TO PHIL AND KEVIN.
OUR PRAYERS GO OUT TO THEIR FAMILIES AND FRIENDS.
AS A 3 TIME BOAT FLIPPER I WOULD LIKE TO THANK ALL THE SAFETY PERSONELL THAT WAS THEIR.
EXTREME RACING TEAM.

Since: Jun 08

Brooklyn, NY

#56 Aug 27, 2008
Jacob wrote:
<quoted text>
yeah, everyone should go through life like you - as a complete sissy.
I never said I was against speed. In fact, I enjoy it myself when it’s done legally. Since you’re from St. Louis you haven’t a clue what kind of fun you can have on the water here.
That’s a nice pink shirt you’re wearing. Are you feeling a bit light in the loafers?
Was There 2

Wappingers Falls, NY

#57 Aug 27, 2008
MI Powerboater....

The Police, Coast Guard, and Fire Dept boats were easy to spot. Some of the control boats were also pretty easy to spot but I didn't hear any bull horns which they should have had... not to say they didn't, I just didn't hear any.

Additonal info .. the Coast Guard issues the race permit and works with law enforcement and the racing community to establish and enforce the saftey zone. I think the starting point for the permitter of this venue was too close. Evidently there is a formula that the CG uses to decide what's safe.

Also, I don't think they were prepared for the huge jump in the number of pleasure boats that were there this year over last year. According to our local paper, there were 3 times as many boats this year. Again, it still comes down to some common sense on the boaters parts... but it was clear we couldn't depend on that.

I still don't understand why NY, with all it's water access, doesn't require boat licenses. I was forced as a kid to take Power Squadron courses before my Dad would let me near the controls of a boat. I know MI requires it along with about 43 other states. You get these half baked idiots who plunk down a check, jump in the boat and away they go. I'm sure you know, things can go wrong real fast on a boat and you can't just pull over and jump out like a car. And don't even get me started on Jet Skiers. One of those idiots ran into a pleasure boat during the race and had to be taken off by rescue workers.

Maybe I'm getting a bit off track, but your point about responsible boating is a big factor in keeping everyone safe during a race.

I appreciate your responsible post as opposed to so much of the other dribble people clutter these forums with.

“I'm Back - sort of”

Since: Mar 08

Anytown USA

#58 Aug 27, 2008
Pit Bull owner wrote:
<quoted text>
"that's what happens when there is need for speed"
I've been watching Formula 1 racing for twenty years
in that time I've seen to racers killed on a F1 race weekend
Austrian rookie Roland Ratzenberger on April 30, 1993 during qualifying for the GP of San Marino
and 3x World Champion Ayrton Senna on May 01, 1993
during the race
the only thing I can add besides my condolences for the friends and families is what Ayrton Senna's mother testified to in an Italian court when they tried Frank Williams Formula 1 team for "murder"
"My son signed a piece of paper ackowledging the potential dangers of racing and he accepted those dangers and chose to race. He loved to race and he lived to race. My son died in an accident."
I still don't see anything wrong with the original statement. When people (including myself) feel the need to do things that are inherently dangerous then these things can and do happen. I feel it is part of the choice to do that activity. There is nothing wrong with making the choice and taking the utmost care. That was how I interpreted the original statement.

I fully understand all you wrote. It is also thrilling to watch successful racing. It is also sad to watch accidents.

My condolences to those men's families.
Glass Houses

Wappingers Falls, NY

#61 Aug 27, 2008
Pete Guards wrote:
I attended the Friday night events on Main Street in Patchogue the local Patchogue Emergency Medical & Fire personal were all over Main St, they were trying to grub free stuff of the Geico booth. Geico did not give in. The entire time the Patchogue Fire Department was unprofessional and carelessly drunk Friday night.
I feel if your going to wear you Volunteer Fire Departments crest – stay sober these volleys were so bombed they were stumbling in & out of bars on Main Street. If there was an emergency Friday night they would have been attended to drunk by the Patchogue volleys.
Generally speaking in Patchogue the residents are missing one chromosome anyway they area is loaded with trailer park true trash.
I would hope the volunteer will look at this and improve on there overall character.
Interesting... since Holtsville offers such amazing and exciting things as the half dead animals at the Ecology Center, I suspect that's why you went to a major event in Patchogue put on by folks that are missing chromosomes but who were able to attract some of biggest names in offshore racing.

Next time, at least try posting with halfway decent grammar and spelling.

BTW.. I moved out of Holtsville because it was 'so high class'... right...
Keen Observer

New York, NY

#63 Aug 27, 2008
Misunderstood wrote:
Death Race - Your a complete idiot!! What part of this event was illegal? What part of this event was not sanctioned? Your rude, insensitive comments are not needed! Lives were lost doing something completely legal. We were there racing to benefit the town of Patchogue, Long Island, NY, as well as a group of non-profit organizations; and you have the audacity to make us out to be some sort of rebel racers who are participting in an illegal, unsanctioned event! It's really easy to make all of these comments over a damn computer monitor....if you would like, we race in Point Pleasant, NJ September 5th, 6th, and 7th; your more than welcome to come down and talk to a group of us in regards to your "views!"
You have a reading comprehension problem.
Glass Houses

Wappingers Falls, NY

#64 Aug 27, 2008
Sad Sister in Law wrote:
Hello, I work for the town of Patchogue and have been employed for 20 years with them. I attended the event Saturday and Sunday and witnessed many of these accused inebriated Volunteers drinking alcoholic beverages in public view.
It saddens me greatly what happened but thinks could have been much worse with the poor decision making of the local emergency response personal in change that day. What if an tragic event happened on shore we would have had dozens of volunteers incapable of administering first aid due to there state of mind and condition.
I know first hand this is typical behavior for the Patchogue Fire Department there firehouses are used mostly for booze infested drinking parties.
I would hope Patchogue and the sound rounding emergency personal will monitor the behavior of members more careful.
You are making Pete Guards' case for him. Since you claim you work for the 'Town' of Patchogue for 20 years, and clearly can't spell or form a grammatically correct sentence, then Patchogue is in big trouble... then you propogate the exact same dribble over multiple forums.. yikes. I know a number of the Patchogue employees, and none of them would post such a poorly crafted or slanderous post.

I'll make sure Paul gets a copy of your post. He will be so happy to have you as a loyal Patchogue employee.
The other side

United States

#70 Aug 27, 2008
My condolences to the families.

The rest of you with the moaning an groaning I ask:
What did any of you do to make the situation safer?

How many calls were made to the SCPD, U.S. Coast Guard etc. reporting the encroachment of specatator boats into the race area?

Did any one of you who stand upon your soapboxes preaching the sins of the rest of the world, make any attempt to educate those boating nearby?

Did you creep up as well to keep your view?

To the SCPD officer who posted from West Babylon. If you have never seen the members of the Patchogue FD bombed then you have never left the station house or ride a desk. While I know and appreciate many in the PFD I can attest to the fact that many drink heavily and frequently. I understand your wanting to dispell this rumor since a good portion of the PFD are also police officers. Perhaps if the rest of the readers had the opportunity to see the recreation rooms in the Patchogue FD houses the fully stocked bars and big screen TV's wouldn't help your defense of them either.

I have witnessed a half dozen volunteers get a call and run out of the bar they were drinking in to go get in a fire truck on more than one occassion. Say all you want but this is fact and it is the truth.
Glass Houses

Wappingers Falls, NY

#74 Aug 27, 2008
NYPD Lieutenant -

If they were passed out and you 'seen' them, how do you know they were drunk and not just sleeping ? Did you do a breathylizer ? As a Police Officer, did you make sure they didn't drive ?

If you fire all the volunteers, who will respond to the accidents and fires ? Paid personnel ? The tax base simply can't afford it.

Not sure what it says when a NYPD Lieutenant can't spell or form reasonable sentences.
Doug

Towson, MD

#75 Aug 27, 2008
Look, you roll the dice, you play the game
On turn two

Chester, NY

#76 Aug 27, 2008
I was one of the boats off turn two it is really sad to read how people want to blame the vollys for want they did not do! UMM you are correct the driver was in the water in seconds. I was in contact all day with one of the Vollys out all day on one of the boats, to here about drinking is a joke. For me as a boater, Long Islanders should be embarished, when you listened to channel 78 is was a joke. And the fans kept moving closer to the race. This is a sad day for the family. When you know what really happen reading what is written above is sad.
racer

Brooklyn, NY

#77 Aug 27, 2008
me as a profressional racer, racing the circuit since 1989 i never seen anything like this in my life, they are blaming the boats canopies as being outdated, me as a racer know water will get in, so a timely rescue is essential, i know the stars safety crew did a great job as always with every apba event i ever raced, but to put the blame on the canopies is absurd, that was not the cause of there death, i dont know what caused there death, broken neck, head trauma, or drowning, but this race was a joke, and now im without a great friend, i love you phil and will never forget you, or kevin.
racer
sorry your so sad

AOL

#78 Aug 27, 2008
Sad Sister in Law wrote:
Hello, I work for the town of Patchogue and have been employed for 20 years with them. I attended the event Saturday and Sunday and witnessed many of these accused inebriated Volunteers drinking alcoholic beverages in public view.
It saddens me greatly what happened but thinks could have been much worse with the poor decision making of the local emergency response personal in change that day. What if an tragic event happened on shore we would have had dozens of volunteers incapable of administering first aid due to there state of mind and condition.
I know first hand this is typical behavior for the Patchogue Fire Department there firehouses are used mostly for booze infested drinking parties.
I would hope Patchogue and the sound rounding emergency personal will monitor the behavior of members more careful.
if you work for the village you would know that both stations of PFD or free and clear of any alcohol for a long time now. and you can pass that on to any other Ahole that has something to say
confused you are

AOL

#79 Aug 27, 2008
The other side wrote:
My condolences to the families.
The rest of you with the moaning an groaning I ask:
What did any of you do to make the situation safer?
How many calls were made to the SCPD, U.S. Coast Guard etc. reporting the encroachment of specatator boats into the race area?
Did any one of you who stand upon your soapboxes preaching the sins of the rest of the world, make any attempt to educate those boating nearby?
Did you creep up as well to keep your view?
To the SCPD officer who posted from West Babylon. If you have never seen the members of the Patchogue FD bombed then you have never left the station house or ride a desk. While I know and appreciate many in the PFD I can attest to the fact that many drink heavily and frequently. I understand your wanting to dispell this rumor since a good portion of the PFD are also police officers. Perhaps if the rest of the readers had the opportunity to see the recreation rooms in the Patchogue FD houses the fully stocked bars and big screen TV's wouldn't help your defense of them either.
I have witnessed a half dozen volunteers get a call and run out of the bar they were drinking in to go get in a fire truck on more than one occassion. Say all you want but this is fact and it is the truth.
you have patchogue confused with the other departments on the island that have 6 million dollar houses and open bar, we are dry. at any time you can check it out
Waterwave

AOL

#81 Aug 27, 2008
wrsqr wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for recognizing the fact that the rescuers were their quickly. Our divers were there and in the water in about 1 1/2 minutes, if you have any pictures we could use them for training and for the betterment of future accidents, we would appreciate it.send it to [email protected]
Hello - I sent you an e-mail,but it was returned.
I tried agian. Did you recieve anything?
Waterwave

AOL

#82 Aug 27, 2008
wrsqr wrote:
<quoted text> HEY dick head - you are a real moron and probably have no idea what you were seeing or probably heard - how much were you drinking in the hot sun all day as a spectator?. It was the Bayport FD and Patchogue FD divers and rescue swimmers along with a rescue diver from the Star Rescue Team that went in and extricated the crew from the wreckage in approx. 2 minutes from the time the accident occured. Furthermore EMS was standing by on the dock to receive the patients and were able to do so efficiently. Time from the accident to delivery at the hospital was 13 minutes. I doubt you can even wake yourself up in the morning in under 15 minutes...deal with it and find a new job - you are washed up and there is no place in the emergency services for a person like you !
Again, You are correct.
Again, I have pics, at 6 minutes after the capsize, our boaters were already en route the hospital. I am not morbid and took a pics of the rescue boats after, drop off.
I have proof on my camera, so anyone who doesn't have proof and facts. A total of 7 minutes from diver rescue to shore. Seven miniutes to the hospital seems correct.
Just pray and again, I observed, beforehand, too many pleasure boats, too close to the channel.
Most are good boaters, I know, but the jetski story makes too much sense.
Waterwave

AOL

#83 Aug 27, 2008
Was There 2 wrote:
MI Powerboater....
The Police, Coast Guard, and Fire Dept boats were easy to spot. Some of the control boats were also pretty easy to spot but I didn't hear any bull horns which they should have had... not to say they didn't, I just didn't hear any.
Additonal info .. the Coast Guard issues the race permit and works with law enforcement and the racing community to establish and enforce the saftey zone. I think the starting point for the permitter of this venue was too close. Evidently there is a formula that the CG uses to decide what's safe.
Also, I don't think they were prepared for the huge jump in the number of pleasure boats that were there this year over last year. According to our local paper, there were 3 times as many boats this year. Again, it still comes down to some common sense on the boaters parts... but it was clear we couldn't depend on that.
I still don't understand why NY, with all it's water access, doesn't require boat licenses. I was forced as a kid to take Power Squadron courses before my Dad would let me near the controls of a boat. I know MI requires it along with about 43 other states. You get these half baked idiots who plunk down a check, jump in the boat and away they go. I'm sure you know, things can go wrong real fast on a boat and you can't just pull over and jump out like a car. And don't even get me started on Jet Skiers. One of those idiots ran into a pleasure boat during the race and had to be taken off by rescue workers.
Maybe I'm getting a bit off track, but your point about responsible boating is a big factor in keeping everyone safe during a race.
I appreciate your responsible post as opposed to so much of the other dribble people clutter these forums with.
As I Stated, to my friend, on the day I attended this exciting event.
TOO MANY PLEASURE BOATS on the Bay. It,should
have been blocked east and west of the race. God bless the families and I hope in two years, they would consider a race, with no obvious distraction.
Misunderstood

Sterling, VA

#85 Aug 28, 2008
Keen Observer wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a reading comprehension problem.
I sincerely apologize but what part of my comment did I not comprehend? I'm pretty sure that my comment made complete sense. It's possible if I was responding to something you had said, that you would understand!
Keen Observer

New York, NY

#87 Aug 28, 2008
Misunderstood wrote:
<quoted text>
I sincerely apologize but what part of my comment did I not comprehend? I'm pretty sure that my comment made complete sense. It's possible if I was responding to something you had said, that you would understand!
Original statement
Death Race wrote:
At least it was a legal competition on the water and no innocent bystanders were hurt.
Your statement
Misunderstood wrote:
<quoted text>
Death Race - Your a complete idiot!! What part of this event was illegal? What part of this event was not sanctioned?
Reading comprehension issue – it was not stated in the original post that the event was illegal or not sanctioned. Therefore your attack was unwarranted and your original post was deleted.
The proper contraction is “you’re” as in you are and idiot.
Fireman

Coram, NY

#88 Aug 28, 2008
ernie schaffer wrote:
I was about 1000 ft away from the crash in my power boat, and yes the coast guard and police were on scene quickly, but had no divers aboard.it took approx 4 minutes for the diver in the helicopter to be deployed (1) diver with 2 people to be rescued.....I follow the varios sanctions of off shore powerboat racing and was in disbelief that the boats had no divers on board.My thoughts and prayers go out to their families and I hope that the investigation into the accident concludes that all parties were dilligent in protecting the racers here and in the future.
Wrong Wrong Wrong

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