Two boaters killed during Great South...

Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race

There are 80 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 25, 2008, titled Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race. In it, Newsday reports that:

Two people were killed yesterday afternoon when their high-speed racing boat flipped during the Battle on the Bay powerboat race in Great South Bay off the Village of Patchogue, Coast Guard officials said.

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typical

Brooklyn, NY

#29 Aug 25, 2008
My Pizza Place wrote:
The patchogue volly wrecked the sceen, they had no clue what to do.
thats a typical comment coming from an idiot without a clue and too much beer in him.
manhasset clan

Centereach, NY

#31 Aug 26, 2008
FDNY Capt wrote:
The race was very dangerous because we had drunk and usless emergency people who are volunteers, the Vollys had no clue what to do and they were not ready for this, most were drinking all day and clueless. The Patchogue EMS, EMT, fire, Police should be sued for letting Vollys dring at an event like this. This was the worst I ever in my life seen. you knew right away it was not going to turn out good when you seen the mismanagement of the Volunteers
You must be black!
Pit Bull owner

Brooklyn, NY

#32 Aug 26, 2008
Death Race wrote:
This is what happens when there's a need for speed. At least it was a legal competition on the water and no innocent bystanders were hurt. The boat will probably be sold cheap.
you are a complete idiot pal
I am usually amused by your comments
but this one is way off base and completely ignorant
It was a sanctioned professional race
they were doing it the "right way"
all racers know and accept the dangers of racing
they weren't a bunch of kids racing accross the bay
sheiskopf
Gene W

United States

#33 Aug 26, 2008
This is unfortunate. I have been Offshore racing for 25 years. I have been in three accidents with injury. Each time the snctions medical team did the rescue and performed exceptionally well. The " Volly's" are there to mind gates, empty trach, etc. not perfomr rescues. This is a dangerous sport and we all know it. No diffeerent than guys getting stingers on the football field or Nascar piling in to the wall at high speed. These things happen in racing. Anyone that does not realize this is asleep.
God bless the families and the participants. We do this because it is our passion. Celebrate the Racers.

“I'm Back - sort of”

Since: Mar 08

Anytown USA

#34 Aug 26, 2008
Pit Bull owner wrote:
<quoted text>
you are a complete idiot pal
I am usually amused by your comments
but this one is way off base and completely ignorant
It was a sanctioned professional race
they were doing it the "right way"
all racers know and accept the dangers of racing
they weren't a bunch of kids racing accross the bay
sheiskopf
Isn't that what he said and I quote "At least it was a legal competition on the water and no innocent bystanders were hurt."
I took legal to mean it was professional and sanctioned.

“Slappy X. Sanchez, Esq.”

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#35 Aug 26, 2008
SCPD Officer wrote:
<quoted text>
If you are going to make things up you should at least have gotten information from someone who was there. It is obvious that you weren't anywhere close to that scene, nor do you have a single clue of the exemplary service performed by all the volunteers.
In all my years as a Suffolk Police Officer, I have never seen a more professionally organized service being rendered by the volunteers.
First of all, There were no civilians at all at the scene out in the water...so how could you possibly know who went into the water to make the rescues...for your information, there were 3 divers off the Patchogue Fire Boat which included one from Star Rescue(the rescue divers that go along with the racing crews). One of the Patchogue divers was the one who got one of the men out and to the boat. There was no alcohol involved..of course, this is something that you just made up...you sound like a complete idiot.
As for "running from cars"..."looking for equipment"...what are you talking about ?....Nobody responded in...the volunteers were already in place for 2 days, everything took place on the dock...there were no units responding in...ambulance personell awaited dockside for the fire boats to bring in the victims.
Not one single volunteer was "stumbling drunk".....
So next time you want to spew **** out of your mouth...you better back it up with facts you total moron.
Don't even bother with this moron. He's been spewing the same krap on every forum regarding this story.

I was there. Everybody did a fine job.
ernie schaffer

Lavallette, NJ

#36 Aug 26, 2008
I was about 1000 ft away from the crash in my power boat, and yes the coast guard and police were on scene quickly, but had no divers aboard.it took approx 4 minutes for the diver in the helicopter to be deployed (1) diver with 2 people to be rescued.....I follow the varios sanctions of off shore powerboat racing and was in disbelief that the boats had no divers on board.My thoughts and prayers go out to their families and I hope that the investigation into the accident concludes that all parties were dilligent in protecting the racers here and in the future.
Lance Taines

AOL

#37 Aug 26, 2008
Always a sad event when a race has a tragic incident occur. The Air induction hulls, or CATS as they are refered to have several design characteristics that mae them more prone to a flip, then the Deep" V's.
The build up of air inside of the tunnel can lead to filps as well as roll over during a turn when the sponson on one side digs into the water. The V's ar so much more adapteto the Ocean then the cats, which are really nothing more then enlarged closed course CIRCLE RACE boats,
best suited for the Marine Stadiums then the open water, especially if it is a rough water & windy day. The speeds they go leave little room for error. The list of accidents in the cats gorws at a much highe rte the the few mishaps in the V's.
The rules established by the APBA & the reciently Merged with SBI, are designed to reduce the chances of a mishap, perhaps the young & inexperianced circuit that put on this race will in the future look to some of the more experianced professionals as well as some of the Past & current Racers, of the other 2 clubs& treat them with mor respect & get some better advice from them regarding SAFTEY. Did "GEICO" underwrite the event? Were they too busy racing themselves to get it right? Or was it just one of those Racing kind of things?Regardless the Owner of the company that owns GEICO might want to look into the facts a bit more & see what might have allowed such a tradegy to have occured 7 seewhat needs to be done to prevent another one from happening..
AJD

East Setauket, NY

#41 Aug 26, 2008
Was there 2 wrote:
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I was on the first turn in my boat and I watched the police, the FD, and the spotter boats going up and down the line pushing boats back - all day. Since you were on the south side a mile plus away, I suspect you didn't see all these support boats.
There is also a thing called personal responsibility as a spectator. The spectators showed pure disrespect as they were being pushed back and then just kept creeping up. Think of the idiots at soccer/baseball/football games, concerts, etc that just insist on being stupid. Parents living vicariously through their kids who beat the crap out of other parents at their kids sporting events. It's really hard to police stupidity.
Also, these are professional race teams. If they at all felt it was more dangerous than it already is, they should have shut it down... at whatever cost !
There is a reason they call it an accident... as tragic as it is, races of all kinds, sanctioned or not, can cause death. These guys died because they flipped the boat at 100mph and hit liquid concrete. It happened while they were doing something they loved doing.
We can blame the spectators, the Police, the FD, the Coast Guard - whoever we want.. but these guys race and know thr risks.
It's still just so upsetting.. these racers spend big bucks to show us something they can do that we can't.. they have my very high respect.
Our prayers go out to Aero Express' families, friends and racing buddies.
I was there also, and totally agree with every word you wrote...
AJD

East Setauket, NY

#42 Aug 26, 2008
Racing participant wrote:
Fire Capt.. I was a participant at the race in Patchogue..let's stick to the subject of what happened and stop blaming the "volly's" who had nothing to due with unfortunate death of our fellow racers. The reason these two men parished was a direct result of an accident. The vollys had no participation with the rescue of these men and only transported them to the hospital. They were deceased basically when then arrived at the dock. For those of you who are unaware, obviously you aren't, the racing organization has it own rescue team, which includes fire fighter-paramedics, emt's, and doctors who are all professional trained in water-type situations and scuba certified. They did everything humanily possible to save these two men. I personally have known some of these individuals for 10+ years and they are nothing but professional, train very hard and do everything possible to keep the racers safe. I know none of them were drinking anything but water on Sunday. As for the "volly's", I passed-by the "volly's all weekend long, hundreds of times and never did I see any of them drinking alcoholic beverages. Again, this accident was simply that, "an accident"...
<quoted text>
I'm glad you cleared it up for the ignorant people who just like to be nasty.
AJD

East Setauket, NY

#44 Aug 26, 2008
Misunderstood wrote:
First off, I am a fellow racer who took part in the first heat. We have lost not only lost fellow competititors, but we have lost a friend, a family member, a father, a son, and and innocent lives. These men were not a fault, but participating in an event that they had a true passion for. For all of you who think that this is " what happens when there's a need for speed," you are completely wrong. This is not a time to point fingers or play Monday morning quaterback. The issue at hand is that two lives were lost, and how do we move forward from here! For all of the "innocent bystanders" who were in the spectator fleet off of the course; YOU WERE THERE WATCHING A BOAT RACE...A HIGH SPEED BOAT RACE - next year (if there is an event in Patchogue) USE COMMON SENSE, and back your boats off of the race course! Every time we moved the markers in, you all moved your boats closer to the course. Next year, stay off of channel 78A, race command! You made it 100x's harder to communicate in an emergency situation because of your pointless chatter..... to sum it up....if OPA never came back to LI to race, i feel that there would be many of us racers who would be completely content. You all have no idea of the time, money and resources that are involved with putting together an event of this size.
Please do not feel that way about racing here - it's not fair that a bunch of ignorant morons have to ruin it for all of us. Many people, including myself were there, followed the rules and were enjoying the weekend of events. It is unfortunate that it had to end so sadly.
Pit Bull owner

Brooklyn, NY

#45 Aug 26, 2008
elphaba_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Isn't that what he said and I quote "At least it was a legal competition on the water and no innocent bystanders were hurt."
I took legal to mean it was professional and sanctioned.
"that's what happens when there is need for speed"
I've been watching Formula 1 racing for twenty years
in that time I've seen to racers killed on a F1 race weekend
Austrian rookie Roland Ratzenberger on April 30, 1993 during qualifying for the GP of San Marino
and 3x World Champion Ayrton Senna on May 01, 1993
during the race

the only thing I can add besides my condolences for the friends and families is what Ayrton Senna's mother testified to in an Italian court when they tried Frank Williams Formula 1 team for "murder"
"My son signed a piece of paper ackowledging the potential dangers of racing and he accepted those dangers and chose to race. He loved to race and he lived to race. My son died in an accident."
MI Powerboater

Adrian, MI

#46 Aug 26, 2008
The water response was handled like others said by the pro's and none of them could have saved the two men. Also it is not uncommon for a race to continue when a boat flips since most of the time the guys are not hurt. The volunteers are for crowd control. You'd have to be an imbecile to believe that an organization with some of the top racers in the country, let alone some of the wealthiest as well, would put their lives in the hands of volunteers.

On the other hand I can say that there must be a lot of imbeciles that boat on the Great South Bay. I have been a spectator at many races in different parts of the country, and have never seen a bunch of dumber and ruder boating spectators then I did this past Sunday. This was the first race I have been to on the Island, I kept telling my family who are local that I have never seen spectator boats so close to the turn as I did here. After seeing Lighting Jack get edged out in a turn in the second heat and weave through a bunch of spectator boats, I was so appalled I asked a friend with OPA why the boats were so close. Well I got an earful; they said that they have never encountered a ruder group of boating spectators in their life. They said the non-coast guard race control boats were being ignored and told left and right FU, we will anchor where we want, and you can't make us move, you’re not the coast guard. Also like someone else said spectators were talking crap all over the marine race channel, this is very distracting and a safety hazard. What about after the accident, before the race was called some bone head in a fishing boat, blew right through the course and had to be surrounded by coast guard boats. Do you know how much work it takes to be a race control boat, hours in advance meetings, then 8 hours on the water the day of the race, and what about the gas you burn. How anxious do you think these people will be to do this over again, after being treated the way they were. I know I sure as hell would not be.

I walked around all weekend and saw lots of locals enjoying the weekend festitivities. I am not sure of the total dollars this race brings into the local community but I know like myself there were a lot of fans and race organizations from outside the area spending lots of money in the community. The racer that basically stated he would be happy if the race did not return to Patchogue is not alone in his thoughts. If those of you from the GSB are lucky enough to see the race return I hope if you view from water you will be respectful of the rules. Also as an FYI, take if from someone that is an avid boater and has viewed races from boats and from land, that land is much better, you really miss a lot if you are on a boat. The sad thing is that I am sure there were more respectful spectator boats then A holes, but you know which ones will be remembered!
Was There 2

Wappingers Falls, NY

#47 Aug 26, 2008
Misunderstood wrote:
First off, I am a fellow racer who took part in the first heat. We have lost not only lost fellow competititors, but we have lost a friend, a family member, a father, a son, and and innocent lives. These men were not a fault, but participating in an event that they had a true passion for. For all of you who think that this is " what happens when there's a need for speed," you are completely wrong. This is not a time to point fingers or play Monday morning quaterback. The issue at hand is that two lives were lost, and how do we move forward from here! For all of the "innocent bystanders" who were in the spectator fleet off of the course; YOU WERE THERE WATCHING A BOAT RACE...A HIGH SPEED BOAT RACE - next year (if there is an event in Patchogue) USE COMMON SENSE, and back your boats off of the race course! Every time we moved the markers in, you all moved your boats closer to the course. Next year, stay off of channel 78A, race command! You made it 100x's harder to communicate in an emergency situation because of your pointless chatter..... to sum it up....if OPA never came back to LI to race, i feel that there would be many of us racers who would be completely content. You all have no idea of the time, money and resources that are involved with putting together an event of this size.
A few bad apples can really put a bad spin on such a wonderful event. I worked on the Bay for years and know that there are a lot more responsible boat owners than there are idiots out there.
One suggestion if OPA and the Village decide to do the race next year is to get a large contingent of private boat owners to maintain the course boundaries. Serious boaters will just not allow these other jerks to jepordize something that so many people enjoy seeing. If the 'good ones' are allowed to be part of such a wonderful event, they just won't put up with the nonsense.
I am very serious about this. I bet lots of the 'quality' boaters would be happy to participate.
Again though, I don't blame what happened on the spectators, just wish they would show a lot more common sense and eliminate this issue as part of future potential problems.
Hank The Crank

East Setauket, NY

#48 Aug 26, 2008
Misunderstood wrote:
First off, I am a fellow racer who took part in the first heat. We have lost not only lost fellow competititors, but we have lost a friend, a family member, a father, a son, and and innocent lives. These men were not a fault, but participating in an event that they had a true passion for. For all of you who think that this is " what happens when there's a need for speed," you are completely wrong. This is not a time to point fingers or play Monday morning quaterback. The issue at hand is that two lives were lost, and how do we move forward from here! For all of the "innocent bystanders" who were in the spectator fleet off of the course; YOU WERE THERE WATCHING A BOAT RACE...A HIGH SPEED BOAT RACE - next year (if there is an event in Patchogue) USE COMMON SENSE, and back your boats off of the race course! Every time we moved the markers in, you all moved your boats closer to the course. Next year, stay off of channel 78A, race command! You made it 100x's harder to communicate in an emergency situation because of your pointless chatter..... to sum it up....if OPA never came back to LI to race, i feel that there would be many of us racers who would be completely content. You all have no idea of the time, money and resources that are involved with putting together an event of this size.
It is said that you feel that way. It is said that a few idiots would stop you guys from coming back. I have loved all forms of racing all of my life and greatly admirer the skill you guys have.
patchogue volly

Rocky Point, NY

#49 Aug 26, 2008
FDNY Capt wrote:
The race was very dangerous because we had drunk and usless emergency people who are volunteers, the Vollys had no clue what to do and they were not ready for this, most were drinking all day and clueless. The Patchogue EMS, EMT, fire, Police should be sued for letting Vollys dring at an event like this. This was the worst I ever in my life seen. you knew right away it was not going to turn out good when you seen the mismanagement of the Volunteers
For your information not one of the patchogue vollies were drinking so before you go running off your fat mouth get your facts straight
patchogue volly

Rocky Point, NY

#50 Aug 26, 2008
Jamie Lynn wrote:
The emergency people for patchogue (voluntees) were usless and actuall were in the way Sunday. I seen so many drunk Vollys at the race Sunday how is that allowed. Is there anyone watching these Fire Volunteers ?
Where were all of these drunk volunters I did not see any. Why dont you just stay in East meadow where you belong.. Get your fact straight before you start acting stupid on the computer
wrsqr

Hampton Bays, NY

#51 Aug 26, 2008
Waterwave wrote:
<quoted text>
You said it exactly right. I was there and heard the info coming over to the announcer at the Geico stand.. They were announced unconcious up on the divers getting to the location which was within one minute. I have it on video and pics, not clear, as it was too far away. The times on my camera it was 1 minute 30 seconds from the time of the crash to when rescue crews were next to the boat. Their were reports of a Jetskier being too far out. There where too many pleasure boats out yesterday.
Thank you for recognizing the fact that the rescuers were their quickly. Our divers were there and in the water in about 1 1/2 minutes, if you have any pictures we could use them for training and for the betterment of future accidents, we would appreciate it.send it to jsaperstein@bayportfd.org
wrsqr

Hampton Bays, NY

#53 Aug 26, 2008
FDNY Capt wrote:
The race was very dangerous because we had drunk and usless emergency people who are volunteers, the Vollys had no clue what to do and they were not ready for this, most were drinking all day and clueless. The Patchogue EMS, EMT, fire, Police should be sued for letting Vollys dring at an event like this. This was the worst I ever in my life seen. you knew right away it was not going to turn out good when you seen the mismanagement of the Volunteers
HEY dick head - you are a real moron and probably have no idea what you were seeing or probably heard - how much were you drinking in the hot sun all day as a spectator?. It was the Bayport FD and Patchogue FD divers and rescue swimmers along with a rescue diver from the Star Rescue Team that went in and extricated the crew from the wreckage in approx. 2 minutes from the time the accident occured. Furthermore EMS was standing by on the dock to receive the patients and were able to do so efficiently. Time from the accident to delivery at the hospital was 13 minutes. I doubt you can even wake yourself up in the morning in under 15 minutes...deal with it and find a new job - you are washed up and there is no place in the emergency services for a person like you !
MI Powerboater

Adrian, MI

#54 Aug 26, 2008
Was There 2 wrote:
<quoted text>
A few bad apples can really put a bad spin on such a wonderful event. I worked on the Bay for years and know that there are a lot more responsible boat owners than there are idiots out there.
One suggestion if OPA and the Village decide to do the race next year is to get a large contingent of private boat owners to maintain the course boundaries. Serious boaters will just not allow these other jerks to jepordize something that so many people enjoy seeing. If the 'good ones' are allowed to be part of such a wonderful event, they just won't put up with the nonsense.
I am very serious about this. I bet lots of the 'quality' boaters would be happy to participate.
Again though, I don't blame what happened on the spectators, just wish they would show a lot more common sense and eliminate this issue as part of future potential problems.
You might have been replying at the same time I was and missed my post, there were a bunch of race control boats, the problem is that the spectator boats would not listen to them. Every race that OPA puts on, they send out a huge request to the boating community looking for people to volunteer to be patrol boats. A race could never go on without them. It is a thankless job that costs time and money. Think about it, the patrol boats are on the edge of the course and they need to be safe as well, so if the crowd is moving in then they are as well. So now in addition to the gas expense, being out there for about 7 hours, fighting with spectators, they now have to worry about their own safty. In MI I have never seen a race where the spectators argue with the patrol boats, most boats automaticaly stay behind the patrol boats and the few that stray move back when asked.

I do have a couple of questions: I could not see this from shore, did the race control boats have any banners or flags that idendified them as patrol boats, did they have bull horns? Also is there a forum based web site for people that boat in that area, if so please post the link. Thanks

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