Two boaters killed during Great South...

Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race

There are 80 comments on the Newsday story from Aug 25, 2008, titled Two boaters killed during Great South Bay race. In it, Newsday reports that:

Two people were killed yesterday afternoon when their high-speed racing boat flipped during the Battle on the Bay powerboat race in Great South Bay off the Village of Patchogue, Coast Guard officials said.

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Since: Jun 08

Brooklyn, NY

#1 Aug 25, 2008
This is what happens when there's a need for speed. At least it was a legal competition on the water and no innocent bystanders were hurt. The boat will probably be sold cheap.
allie

AOL

#2 Aug 25, 2008
will be praying for their loved ones...so sad
cbre

Montvale, NJ

#4 Aug 25, 2008
poster, "death race"....2 innocent people were killed here and all you can think about is the boat possibly being sold cheap?!?!!
DRAG RACER

Brooklyn, NY

#7 Aug 25, 2008
WHAT A MESS, THEY REALLY NEEDED TO BE MORE PREPAIRED FOR THAT TYPE OF SITUATION, I WAS THERE AS A SPECTATOR AND WAS AMAZED AT THE LACK OF ORGANIZATION, THERE WERE BOATS ANCORED ALL OVER,THEY TOOK TWO LAPS TO STOP THE RACE AFTER THE CRASH!!THIS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED WITH OUT ADOUBT. ITS GREAT TO HAVE THIS EVENT ON LONG ISLAND,BUT NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE`S LIFES. THE RACING ORGANIZATION NEEDS TO BE MORE PREPED WITH PRO RESCUERS NOT VOLUNTEERS.I HAVE RACED FOR YEARS WITH THE NHRA AND THEY HAVE PEOPLE CHASING CARS THAT WRECK BEFORE THAT CAR EVEN STOPS. RACING IS DANGEROUS AND ALL INVOLVED KNOW THAT BUT THIS WAS JUST PLAIN STUPIDITY ON THE PART OF THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED!!!! I WILL PRAY FOR THE CREW OF THE BOAT AND THIER FAMILYS

“I'm Back - sort of”

Since: Mar 08

Anytown USA

#8 Aug 25, 2008
FDNY Capt wrote:
The race was very dangerous because we had drunk and usless emergency people who are volunteers, the Vollys had no clue what to do and they were not ready for this, most were drinking all day and clueless. The Patchogue EMS, EMT, fire, Police should be sued for letting Vollys dring at an event like this. This was the worst I ever in my life seen. you knew right away it was not going to turn out good when you seen the mismanagement of the Volunteers
I agree - there should be some form of retribution or punishment meted out to those who were drunk while technically "on duty". If they were paid and not volunteers it would not have happened the way it did.
Sad.
DRAG RACER

Brooklyn, NY

#9 Aug 25, 2008
What a mess!! i have drag raced for years and never saw such confusion. the whole day was just a day where an accident was looking for a spot to happen!! there were boats ancored all over, past the flags,to close to the race course. them guys would be alive if the officials had been more organized!!! it took two laps to red flag the race. no one had a clue what to do!!they shoul;d have had divers in the water in seconds not minutes. i will pray for the crew and thier family`s WHAT A SENSLESS TRAGITY!!!
was there

AOL

#10 Aug 25, 2008
we were out on the south side of the track in our boat. many boaters near the west end of the track were edging up and up way in front of the flags. this forces the racers to cut their turn more narrow and it seemed dangerous. there were hardly any patrol boats making the spectators MOVE BACK. this may have contributed to this tragedy. very poorly organized !
Was there 2

Wappingers Falls, NY

#14 Aug 25, 2008
was there wrote:
we were out on the south side of the track in our boat. many boaters near the west end of the track were edging up and up way in front of the flags. this forces the racers to cut their turn more narrow and it seemed dangerous. there were hardly any patrol boats making the spectators MOVE BACK. this may have contributed to this tragedy. very poorly organized !
I was on the first turn in my boat and I watched the police, the FD, and the spotter boats going up and down the line pushing boats back - all day. Since you were on the south side a mile plus away, I suspect you didn't see all these support boats.

There is also a thing called personal responsibility as a spectator. The spectators showed pure disrespect as they were being pushed back and then just kept creeping up. Think of the idiots at soccer/baseball/football games, concerts, etc that just insist on being stupid. Parents living vicariously through their kids who beat the crap out of other parents at their kids sporting events. It's really hard to police stupidity.

Also, these are professional race teams. If they at all felt it was more dangerous than it already is, they should have shut it down... at whatever cost !

There is a reason they call it an accident... as tragic as it is, races of all kinds, sanctioned or not, can cause death. These guys died because they flipped the boat at 100mph and hit liquid concrete. It happened while they were doing something they loved doing.

We can blame the spectators, the Police, the FD, the Coast Guard - whoever we want.. but these guys race and know thr risks.

It's still just so upsetting.. these racers spend big bucks to show us something they can do that we can't.. they have my very high respect.

Our prayers go out to Aero Express' families, friends and racing buddies.
UMM YEAH

Islip Terrace, NY

#16 Aug 25, 2008
Just FYI. There was an emergancy crash team in the water with the race boats. It is actaully provided by the Geico race team they are people who are trained to respond to these kinds of accicents. They were on the sceen in seconds along with the coast guard. Also the helicopters that track the boats each cary an emergance diver on board. This diver from the helicoper that was over the sceen did jump from the helicopter and was the one who got the crew out of the boat. but the canopy broke and filled with water when the crash happened. The crews emergancy air tank in the boat did not work. That could have saved their lived if they were not killed by the impact of the boat smashing in the water. If you have seen the images of the boat after it was towed it you can see how violent the crash was. I believe there was nothing that could have been done to save the crew. As even some of the race teams stated:'This is a danger in the sport and unfortunatly it happens'. If you have ever seen this sport before or watch it on television, these boats do occasionally flip over.
Was There 2

Wappingers Falls, NY

#17 Aug 25, 2008
UMM YEAH wrote:
Just FYI. There was an emergancy crash team in the water with the race boats. It is actaully provided by the Geico race team they are people who are trained to respond to these kinds of accicents. They were on the sceen in seconds along with the coast guard. Also the helicopters that track the boats each cary an emergance diver on board. This diver from the helicoper that was over the sceen did jump from the helicopter and was the one who got the crew out of the boat. but the canopy broke and filled with water when the crash happened. The crews emergancy air tank in the boat did not work. That could have saved their lived if they were not killed by the impact of the boat smashing in the water. If you have seen the images of the boat after it was towed it you can see how violent the crash was. I believe there was nothing that could have been done to save the crew. As even some of the race teams stated:'This is a danger in the sport and unfortunatly it happens'. If you have ever seen this sport before or watch it on television, these boats do occasionally flip over.
Excellent post. Spot on. Do other people think Geico brought their other safety boat for the show ? It's a tragedy but everyone knows that racing is dangerous. Racers race because they love doing it and know the risks. I heard from an EMT friend who was on one of the responding boats that it was the blunt force trama that killed them. I don't care what you are in when you hit something at 100mph.. it isn't going to be good. There were enough emergency and spotter boats out there that placed end to end you could have walked half way across the bay.
Racing participant

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#18 Aug 25, 2008
Fire Capt.. I was a participant at the race in Patchogue..let's stick to the subject of what happened and stop blaming the "volly's" who had nothing to due with unfortunate death of our fellow racers. The reason these two men parished was a direct result of an accident. The vollys had no participation with the rescue of these men and only transported them to the hospital. They were deceased basically when then arrived at the dock. For those of you who are unaware, obviously you aren't, the racing organization has it own rescue team, which includes fire fighter-paramedics, emt's, and doctors who are all professional trained in water-type situations and scuba certified. They did everything humanily possible to save these two men. I personally have known some of these individuals for 10+ years and they are nothing but professional, train very hard and do everything possible to keep the racers safe. I know none of them were drinking anything but water on Sunday. As for the "volly's", I passed-by the "volly's all weekend long, hundreds of times and never did I see any of them drinking alcoholic beverages. Again, this accident was simply that, "an accident"...
FDNY Capt wrote:
The race was very dangerous because we had drunk and usless emergency people who are volunteers, the Vollys had no clue what to do and they were not ready for this, most were drinking all day and clueless. The Patchogue EMS, EMT, fire, Police should be sued for letting Vollys dring at an event like this. This was the worst I ever in my life seen. you knew right away it was not going to turn out good when you seen the mismanagement of the Volunteers
123abc

New York, NY

#20 Aug 25, 2008
at least those guys died having fun not like all you couch potatos
its me

East Meadow, NY

#21 Aug 25, 2008
this is such a sad story.
i knew one of these guys and his family.
my heart goes out to all of them.
Misunderstood

Sterling, VA

#22 Aug 25, 2008
First off, I am a fellow racer who took part in the first heat. We have lost not only lost fellow competititors, but we have lost a friend, a family member, a father, a son, and and innocent lives. These men were not a fault, but participating in an event that they had a true passion for. For all of you who think that this is " what happens when there's a need for speed," you are completely wrong. This is not a time to point fingers or play Monday morning quaterback. The issue at hand is that two lives were lost, and how do we move forward from here! For all of the "innocent bystanders" who were in the spectator fleet off of the course; YOU WERE THERE WATCHING A BOAT RACE...A HIGH SPEED BOAT RACE - next year (if there is an event in Patchogue) USE COMMON SENSE, and back your boats off of the race course! Every time we moved the markers in, you all moved your boats closer to the course. Next year, stay off of channel 78A, race command! You made it 100x's harder to communicate in an emergency situation because of your pointless chatter..... to sum it up....if OPA never came back to LI to race, i feel that there would be many of us racers who would be completely content. You all have no idea of the time, money and resources that are involved with putting together an event of this size.
baygirl

Milford, CT

#23 Aug 25, 2008
Misunderstood- first- thank you for bringing racing back to GSB, many on here do not realize that racing use to be a big part of the south shore communities in the 70's and 80's. It was a great thrill!
I also want to say it would be a shame if OPA did not return next year. What happened yesterday was a terrible accident, and thoughts and prayers go out the families, fellow racers and the rescue workers (both sanctioned and volunteer) who all worked very hard to save the lives of the two men.
By you and other professionals out there, it may show some of these "weekend warriors" what proper marine practice is. Not just load the cooler and turn the key...oh and to you WW's pull the fenders back in the boat when you are running. At least look like you have a clue!
But to Misunderstood, just THANK YOU. Looking forward to the THIRD ANNUAL Battle on the Bay.
Good luck in NJ.
Waterwave

AOL

#24 Aug 25, 2008
UMM YEAH wrote:
Just FYI. There was an emergancy crash team in the water with the race boats. It is actaully provided by the Geico race team they are people who are trained to respond to these kinds of accicents. They were on the sceen in seconds along with the coast guard. Also the helicopters that track the boats each cary an emergance diver on board. This diver from the helicoper that was over the sceen did jump from the helicopter and was the one who got the crew out of the boat. but the canopy broke and filled with water when the crash happened. The crews emergancy air tank in the boat did not work. That could have saved their lived if they were not killed by the impact of the boat smashing in the water. If you have seen the images of the boat after it was towed it you can see how violent the crash was. I believe there was nothing that could have been done to save the crew. As even some of the race teams stated:'This is a danger in the sport and unfortunatly it happens'. If you have ever seen this sport before or watch it on television, these boats do occasionally flip over.
You said it exactly right. I was there and heard the info coming over to the announcer at the Geico stand.. They were announced unconcious up on the divers getting to the location which was within one minute. I have it on video and pics, not clear, as it was too far away. The times on my camera it was 1 minute 30 seconds from the time of the crash to when rescue crews were next to the boat. Their were reports of a Jetskier being too far out. There where too many pleasure boats out yesterday.
chris tarallo

Scarsdale, NY

#25 Aug 25, 2008
Me and my family were there yesterday on our boat and saw it . I hearts and prayer's go out to the families.
chris tarallo

Scarsdale, NY

#26 Aug 25, 2008
Me and my family were there yesterday on our boat and saw it . I hearts and prayer's go out to the families.
Waterwave

AOL

#27 Aug 25, 2008
Many Prayers to the families and friends of these very well liked, and dedicated men.
SCPD Officer

Rockville Centre, NY

#28 Aug 25, 2008
LIRR Customer Service wrote:
I was there - the local Patchogue Volunteers hindered the operation. The had no idea what to do. The EMT and Local Firemen were clueless no one had equipment with them I kept seeing these drunk vollys running from cars, to truck looking for equipment, they were unable to communicate with each others on the 2 way radios because they were all stepping on each other. I never seen a bunch of Volunteers running around and having no clue.. The Patchogue Volunteers are idiots.( The US Coast Guard and Suffolk PD were the real rescue team Sunday) The local Volunteers were stumbling idiots drunk.
If you are going to make things up you should at least have gotten information from someone who was there. It is obvious that you weren't anywhere close to that scene, nor do you have a single clue of the exemplary service performed by all the volunteers.

In all my years as a Suffolk Police Officer, I have never seen a more professionally organized service being rendered by the volunteers.

First of all, There were no civilians at all at the scene out in the water...so how could you possibly know who went into the water to make the rescues...for your information, there were 3 divers off the Patchogue Fire Boat which included one from Star Rescue(the rescue divers that go along with the racing crews). One of the Patchogue divers was the one who got one of the men out and to the boat. There was no alcohol involved..of course, this is something that you just made up...you sound like a complete idiot.

As for "running from cars"..."looking for equipment"...what are you talking about ?....Nobody responded in...the volunteers were already in place for 2 days, everything took place on the dock...there were no units responding in...ambulance personell awaited dockside for the fire boats to bring in the victims.

Not one single volunteer was "stumbling drunk".....

So next time you want to spew shit out of your mouth...you better back it up with facts you total moron.

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