Pops

Newport, KY

#21457 Oct 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain to me how such a law "suppresses" blacks and not whites. I thought all men were created equal. If I can get a voter ID, what's stopping anybody else?
When Democrats find themselves in a corner, they use the "race" thing as if it were valid in some way. Don't like DumBama, it's because of race. Try to make voting more legitimate, it's because of race. Against illegal Mexicans, it's because of race.
The thing is that this has nothing to do with race and no evidence to support such accusations. But Democrats believe they can get their way on anything if they falsely insert the race card, and the sheep just repeat the lies.
Anytime Republicans win, the "cheat" issue is brought up. Same holds true of the Republicans when Democrats win. So lets try to make voting as honest as we can. Everybody should (not just blacks) should have to show ID before voting. There is nothing discriminating about that.
Well said!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21458 Oct 26, 2013
KeepOnLying2Yourself wrote:
<quoted text>
The racist part is you didn't cry a peep when Bush inflicted his "tyrannical" "Socialist" expansion of Medicare. Now when a black man does it...
And that's what you consider racist? No wonder you libs are constantly using the word. You don't even know what it means yet.

When have I ever said that I supported Bush's Medicare expansion? Better still, what conservative radio or television host ever supported it? Conservatives are against most all government expansion.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21459 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I
Of course not everyone has an ID so IF Dems & Repubs shuttle voters to the polls every election, so why not shuttle them to get their FREE ID which is good for yrs & yrs?
I repeat that anyone that can not make arrangements to get an ID is either lazy or stupid or apathetic. That thought segues to saying that many Dems are the stupid, lazy or apathetic ones IF such laws affect primarily Dems. NOT trying to mean, it just seems to boil down that way.
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I want to make clear that I am NOT putting Dems down like it may have sounded. I am just talking about the appearances.
IF someone thought that were speaking up for me about having difficulty voting because of my skin color, I would tell them to pound sand! My skin color would NOT be a disadvantage for such a thing & I would resent such a claim.
It's just a weak, insulting & convaluted claim.
I have voted Dem, Repub & even 3rd party in my decades as a voter & I would help anyone get to the county clerk or DMV to get their pic ID IF they were merely civil no matter their affiliation.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21460 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not everyone has an ID so IF Dems & Repubs shuttle voters to the polls every election, so why not shuttle them to get their FREE ID which is good for yrs & yrs?
I repeat that anyone that can not make arrangements to get an ID is either lazy or stupid or apathetic.
"Lazy or stupid or apathetic"? Here's the situation in Texas:

"As I mentioned, 600–800,000 registered voters don’t have an acceptable voter ID, but according to the Dallas Morning News “only 41 of the new cards were issued by DPS [Department of Public Safety] as of last week.”

Getting a valid photo ID in Texas can be far more difficult than one assumes. To obtain one of the government-issued IDs now needed to vote, voters must first pay for underlying documents to confirm their identity, the cheapest option being a birth certificate for $22 (otherwise known as a “poll tax”); there are no DMV offices in eighty-one of 254 counties in the state, with some voters needing to travel up to 250 miles to the closest location. Counties with a significant Hispanic population are less likely to have a DMV office, while Hispanic residents in such counties are twice as likely as whites to not have the new voter ID (Hispanics in Texas are also twice as likely as whites to not have a car).“A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote,” a federal court wrote last year when it blocked the law."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176792/texas-vo... #

There has never been a great deal of voter fraud in this country. When asked to demonstrate an objective need for the law, there were very few examples produced. It's obvious to most folks (including conservative Republicans) that voter ID laws were passed to suppress voting. Do you deny this? Then you are pretty naive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppressio...
Pops

Newport, KY

#21461 Oct 26, 2013
I can't speak for every state But of course the pathway for an ID should not be insurmountable or overly difficult. I totally agree with that. IF a law has notable flaws it should be refined. Any of those laws should be litigated specifically. Not the 'scatter gun' nuclear tactics being argued today.
I won't argue the 'small numbers' of voter fraud happening. But I will compare it to shoplifting. Just because few people shop lift, should we dismiss fighting it?
Then there are the near countless peoples that live in small communities where elections are won & lost by single digit numbers. I once lived in such a place for years. Elections with an eight vote difference & There was a 50 vote or less difference many times.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21462 Oct 26, 2013
OH, Both of the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming & other states have vast lowly populated areas but that can be dealt with by setting official photo ID regs for a school, a church, library or other such place, There could be a van that travels a scheduled route not unlike a Book Mobile or the Medical Help vans travel the poor & destitute parts of the country now.
My late mom had an error on her birth certificate. It took 2 people that knew her with an ID to testify as to her identity & the correction and it was done. Why wouldn't that same scenerio still work today since her errored birth certificate was about the same as not having one?
These issues can be dealt with without invalidating the whole law & it's reasonable intent. Procedures like that would winnow out perceived discrimination.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21463 Oct 26, 2013
"Younger Americans, people without college educations, the poor and Hispanics are among groups most likely to be unable to vote under new state laws requiring photo identification, an analysis of Reuters/Ipsos poll data showed on Wednesday."

"Republican-led state legislatures have passed most of the laws since the party won sweeping state and local election victories in 2010. They say their goal is to prevent voter fraud; critics say they are designed to depress turnout among groups that typically back Democrats.

Decades of study have found virtually no use of false identification in U.S."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/us-...
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21464 Oct 26, 2013
So, Pops, here's the short version: Republicans passed laws to address a non-existent problem, which had the effect of suppressing votes of groups that tend to vote Democratic.

If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.

Would that distress you?
Pops

Newport, KY

#21465 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
So, Pops, here's the short version: Republicans passed laws to address a non-existent problem, which had the effect of suppressing votes of groups that tend to vote Democratic.
If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.
Would that distress you?
Lazy people live everywhere & I don't want lazy people voting. They would tend to expand the list of freebies that could NOT exist if not for the workers.
I have already addressed the rural voter's ID issue & how to improve it so address that or move on to something else. Another facet or something.
But in the same thought process as your claim that Repubs wrote & passed tilted laws, the same can properly be said about Dems & the ACA. BOTH are examples of why there is so much polarization today.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#21466 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Lazy people live everywhere & I don't want lazy people voting. They would tend to expand the list of freebies that could NOT exist if not for the workers.
I have already addressed the rural voter's ID issue & how to improve it so address that or move on to something else. Another facet or something.
But in the same thought process as your claim that Repubs wrote & passed tilted laws, the same can properly be said about Dems & the ACA. BOTH are examples of why there is so much polarization today.
You're full of it, remember when election day was a day off to go vote. Not into today's world.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#21467 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
So, Pops, here's the short version: Republicans passed laws to address a non-existent problem, which had the effect of suppressing votes of groups that tend to vote Democratic.
If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.
Would that distress you?
But. that's not what channel Foxbaugh straight from Camp Sabotage told them.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21468 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.
Would that distress you?
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Lazy people live everywhere & I don't want lazy people voting.
So, you would be OK with rural voters being disenfranchised? I don't like it at all. But I don't like laws designed to suppress the vote, no matter which party it favors.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21469 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>You're full of it, remember when election day was a day off to go vote. Not into today's world.
In todays world, your employer must allow you time to vote if your state doesn't have absentee ballots that anybody can use.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21470 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>You're full of it, remember when election day was a day off to go vote. Not into today's world.
Not a bad idea. Make election day a national holiday. And make voting mandatory, with a $500 fine if you fail to vote. Free transportation to the voting site and back home. And (just to show how sympathetic I am to those that worry about voter fraud) everyone gets a photo ID, totally free and available everywhere. Any documentation costs fall upon the government, and not the individual. Are my Republican friends with me?
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21471 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>But. that's not what channel Foxbaugh straight from Camp Sabotage told them.
Correct. They told us that if a white person can get an ID to vote, there's no reason why a black person can't do the same. Pretty stupid, huh?

Since: Aug 12

Lilburn, GA

#21472 Oct 26, 2013
Don't black folks in larger metro areas all go vote at least once in every poling station already? What more could they want??? If anyone begs to differ they just call in the black panther van o thugs approved by the attorney general himself!

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#21473 Oct 26, 2013
UdintBuildThat wrote:
Don't black folks in larger metro areas all go vote at least once in every poling station already? What more could they want??? If anyone begs to differ they just call in the black panther van o thugs approved by the attorney general himself!
ZAP!!!

“ I LOVE LIBERALS”

Since: Sep 11

Bellefontaine, OH

#21474 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a bad idea. Make election day a national holiday. And make voting mandatory, with a $500 fine if you fail to vote. Free transportation to the voting site and back home. And (just to show how sympathetic I am to those that worry about voter fraud) everyone gets a photo ID, totally free and available everywhere. Any documentation costs fall upon the government, and not the individual. Are my Republican friends with me?
YEP, but your "demo friends" are not likely to be with you.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21475 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a bad idea. Make election day a national holiday. And make voting mandatory, with a $500 fine if you fail to vote. Free transportation to the voting site and back home. And (just to show how sympathetic I am to those that worry about voter fraud) everyone gets a photo ID, totally free and available everywhere. Any documentation costs fall upon the government, and not the individual. Are my Republican friends with me?
Only if they get a "free" pizza on the way to the polls.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21476 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>You're full of it, remember when election day was a day off to go vote. Not into today's world.
I'm full of it? WOW. Thanx for the reminder. Yes I remember when election was a day off, like TODAY! All the more reason that more people can get to the polls. And ALL the more reason that there are fewer excuses NOT to make it.
In fact, let's make election day a state AND federal holiday from work & even fewer people would have an excuse. Of course food service & health care workers etc would still have to work but again, keep the polls open 5am - 8pm & there would be almost no excuses. Good idea Woo-Boy.

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