woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#21447 Oct 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF are you even talking about???????
All religions in America need to lose their tax exemption, no exceptions. Religion is a business selling an insurance product that requires one to die in order to collect on. Talk about a scam. There is no one anywhere that can prove that anyone ever collected the benefit from that insurance sold on a fantasy, plagiarized story. You can't buy your way into heaven by paying into that huge money making industry that doesn't pay a dime on taxes.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21448 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>All religions in America need to lose their tax exemption, no exceptions. Religion is a business selling an insurance product that requires one to die in order to collect on. Talk about a scam. There is no one anywhere that can prove that anyone ever collected the benefit from that insurance sold on a fantasy, plagiarized story. You can't buy your way into heaven by paying into that huge money making industry that doesn't pay a dime on taxes.
Most religions are non-profit. Everything they collect they use to support their churches and perhaps some charity. Churches around here are closing down all the time. In fact the Catholic religion is closing down churches all over. Religion is not insurance nor have they ever claimed to be.

I love how you leftists focus on churches out of all the tax-exempt entities in our country.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21449 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>

“The reduction in the number of days allowed for early voting is particularly important because early voting plays a major role in Obama’s ground game. The Democrats carried most states that allow many days of early voting, and Obama’s national field director admitted, shortly before last year’s election, that ‘early voting is giving us a solid lead in the battleground states that will decide this election.’"
Here's a subject that gives me thought. There was a time for decades & decades & decades that there was ONE & ONLY ONE day to vote & as far as I can remember, that was fine or at least OK.
Question #1. What was the problem that expanded voting days?(not counting absentee or whatever). Question 2. IF 1 day was OK for so very very long, then expanded to goodness knows how many days depending on where one is (state, county, city or whatever) but now efforts are being made to reduce those days, what's the problem with a compromise number of days?
Lastly, I would be ashamed or embarrassed to think or admit that a photo ID was discriminatory.
That is tantamount to saying that I am too stupid, lazy or lacking support to get an ID every 4-6 yrs. IF I were either of the 1st 2, I shouldn't vote but would still have that right. If the 3rd reason, I would reach out for help to vote. It isn't like there isn't time to plan. To NOT plan would bring one back around to reasons 1 & 2...stupid & or lazy....duh
Pops

Newport, KY

#21450 Oct 26, 2013
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>All religions in America need to lose their tax exemption, no exceptions. Religion is a business selling an insurance product that requires one to die in order to collect on. Talk about a scam. There is no one anywhere that can prove that anyone ever collected the benefit from that insurance sold on a fantasy, plagiarized story. You can't buy your way into heaven by paying into that huge money making industry that doesn't pay a dime on taxes.
The Catholic Church & it's hospitals, soup kitchens etc make it one of the largest 5 if not the largest charity in this country depending on how one compile the comparitive info & yet the Catholic Church is very often the target of denigration.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21451 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>
Question #1. What was the problem that expanded voting days?(not counting absentee or whatever).
In the 2008 election only 64% of eligible voted in the Presidential election. For people that work long hours, or with limited transportation options, additional days of voting give them more of an opportunity to cast a vote.
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Question 2. IF 1 day was OK for so very very long, then expanded to goodness knows how many days depending on where one is (state, county, city or whatever) but now efforts are being made to reduce those days, what's the problem with a compromise number of days?
Why is the effort being made to reduce the number of days? It is being done for a very partisan reason, to suppress the vote of those that tend to vote for Democrats.
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Lastly, I would be ashamed or embarrassed to think or admit that a photo ID was discriminatory.
That is tantamount to saying that I am too stupid, lazy or lacking support to get an ID every 4-6 yrs.
Of course, you would have to do NOTHING AT ALL to vote. Like me, you already have a photo ID, a driver's license. But not everyone does. The elderly, the young, and poor people are less likely to have a photo ID. That is the reason that Republicans are pressing for them, not any demonstrated voter fraud.(If they were primarily concerned with voter fraud, they would eliminate absentee voting, which is much more likely to be abused.)

"Belatedly, federal Judge Richard Posner has arrived at the obvious conclusion about voter identification laws: They are enacted as a barrier to the franchise, an un-American tactic hatched by conservatives to prevent certain people from voting. It's too bad that his epiphany came so late.

Posner is one of the nation's most respected conservative jurists. As a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, he might have led the nation's highest court to reject new restrictions around voting. Instead, in 2007, Posner wrote the majority opinion that upheld Indiana's stringent law, setting the stage for the U.S. Supreme Court to reason that it did no harm to an unfettered franchise.

That was quite wrong, as Posner now acknowledges. While he disavowed his earlier endorsement of the law in a new book, "Reflections of Judging," he went further in a video interview earlier this month with The Huffington Post, saying that the dissenting view was the right one.

In that dissent, the late Judge Terence Evans wrote: "Let's not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.""

http://news.yahoo.com/voter-id-laws-one-inten...
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21452 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Here's a subject that gives me thought. There was a time for decades & decades & decades that there was ONE & ONLY ONE day to vote & as far as I can remember, that was fine or at least OK.
Question #1. What was the problem that expanded voting days?(not counting absentee or whatever). Question 2. IF 1 day was OK for so very very long, then expanded to goodness knows how many days depending on where one is (state, county, city or whatever) but now efforts are being made to reduce those days, what's the problem with a compromise number of days?
Lastly, I would be ashamed or embarrassed to think or admit that a photo ID was discriminatory.
That is tantamount to saying that I am too stupid, lazy or lacking support to get an ID every 4-6 yrs. IF I were either of the 1st 2, I shouldn't vote but would still have that right. If the 3rd reason, I would reach out for help to vote. It isn't like there isn't time to plan. To NOT plan would bring one back around to reasons 1 & 2...stupid & or lazy....duh
One of the reasons Democrats claim discrimination is because blacks per capita have more felons than whites. Of course, they won't say that, but it's the truth. They also have more people with outstanding warrants as well; not that getting a voter ID would get them nabbed, but it would probably deter some of them from getting an ID because it would show where you live.

Bottom line is that liberals use the race card to get what they really want, and that is people still cheating the system. For years our voting places have asked for ID in the past. No problem. I just show them my ID.

What about people with no ID? Who can survive in todays world without identification? How does one cash a check, start a checking or savings account, purchase alcohol or get on an airplane?

Most states make it convenient and even free to get an ID. All you have to do is pick it up. As for the excuse that some may not have transportation, I say if you told them they won $5,000 in a sweepstakes, but they had to produce an ID to get the check, you'd see how fast they would find a way to get identification.
RewriteHistory

Canton, OH

#21453 Oct 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't bother to consider (in your drunken stupor) that you never even read one book from Rush Limbaugh children's or otherwise. You have no idea what Limbaugh wrote or if there was anything in his books that are inaccurate.
The story of "Rush Revere" involves Rush and his horse Liberty traveling through time. Seems totally "accurate", wouldn't you say?
He also uses the same character on his ice tea product he just released. Pop some Oxy to that one, fat boy.
PoorLittleRichCh urch

Canton, OH

#21454 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>The Catholic Church & it's hospitals, soup kitchens etc make it one of the largest 5 if not the largest charity in this country depending on how one compile the comparitive info & yet the Catholic Church is very often the target of denigration.
Maybe it has something to do with all of those molested children.
KeepOnLying2Your self

Canton, OH

#21455 Oct 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
WTF is racist about that? God you people are so programmed.
The racist part is you didn't cry a peep when Bush inflicted his "tyrannical" "Socialist" expansion of Medicare. Now when a black man does it...
Pops

Newport, KY

#21456 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
In the 2008 election only 64% of eligible voted in the Presidential election. For people that work long hours, or with limited transportation options, additional days of voting give them more of an opportunity to cast a vote.
<quoted text>
Why is the effort being made to reduce the number of days? It is being done for a very partisan reason, to suppress the vote of those that tend to vote for Democrats.
<quoted text>
Of course, you would have to do NOTHING AT ALL to vote. Like me, you already have a photo ID, a driver's license. But not everyone does. The elderly, the young, and poor people are less likely to have a photo ID. That is the reason that Republicans are pressing for them, not any demonstrated voter fraud.(If they were primarily concerned with voter fraud, they would eliminate absentee voting, which is much more likely to be abused.)
"Belatedly, federal Judge Richard Posner has arrived at the obvious conclusion about voter identification laws: They are enacted as a barrier to the franchise, an un-American tactic hatched by conservatives to prevent certain people from voting. It's too bad that his epiphany came so late.
Posner is one of the nation's most respected conservative jurists. As a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 7th Circuit, he might have led the nation's highest court to reject new restrictions around voting. Instead, in 2007, Posner wrote the majority opinion that upheld Indiana's stringent law, setting the stage for the U.S. Supreme Court to reason that it did no harm to an unfettered franchise.
That was quite wrong, as Posner now acknowledges. While he disavowed his earlier endorsement of the law in a new book, "Reflections of Judging," he went further in a video interview earlier this month with The Huffington Post, saying that the dissenting view was the right one.
In that dissent, the late Judge Terence Evans wrote: "Let's not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.""
http://news.yahoo.com/voter-id-laws-one-inten...
I strongly believe that the #1 reason for any low election turn out is voter apathy. You know' the MY vote won't matter or They're all a bunch of crooks, or None of them are any good attitudes, etc etc.
Of course not everyone has an ID so IF Dems & Repubs shuttle voters to the polls every election, so why not shuttle them to get their FREE ID which is good for yrs & yrs?
I repeat that anyone that can not make arrangements to get an ID is either lazy or stupid or apathetic. That thought segues to saying that many Dems are the stupid, lazy or apathetic ones IF such laws affect primarily Dems. NOT trying to mean, it just seems to boil down that way.
As far as absentee voters, what about those in a nursing home or hospital but still of sound mind or home care or on vacations or business trips that take them over seas, working in mines, on oil rigs, missionaries, or in the military etc?
With most polling stations open from 6am to 6pm there is a weaker excuse for simply, "not being able to make it to the polling booth". So lets extend the times from 5am to 8pm. It would be part of the K.eep I.t S.imple S.tupid method.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21457 Oct 26, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Explain to me how such a law "suppresses" blacks and not whites. I thought all men were created equal. If I can get a voter ID, what's stopping anybody else?
When Democrats find themselves in a corner, they use the "race" thing as if it were valid in some way. Don't like DumBama, it's because of race. Try to make voting more legitimate, it's because of race. Against illegal Mexicans, it's because of race.
The thing is that this has nothing to do with race and no evidence to support such accusations. But Democrats believe they can get their way on anything if they falsely insert the race card, and the sheep just repeat the lies.
Anytime Republicans win, the "cheat" issue is brought up. Same holds true of the Republicans when Democrats win. So lets try to make voting as honest as we can. Everybody should (not just blacks) should have to show ID before voting. There is nothing discriminating about that.
Well said!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21458 Oct 26, 2013
KeepOnLying2Yourself wrote:
<quoted text>
The racist part is you didn't cry a peep when Bush inflicted his "tyrannical" "Socialist" expansion of Medicare. Now when a black man does it...
And that's what you consider racist? No wonder you libs are constantly using the word. You don't even know what it means yet.

When have I ever said that I supported Bush's Medicare expansion? Better still, what conservative radio or television host ever supported it? Conservatives are against most all government expansion.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21459 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I
Of course not everyone has an ID so IF Dems & Repubs shuttle voters to the polls every election, so why not shuttle them to get their FREE ID which is good for yrs & yrs?
I repeat that anyone that can not make arrangements to get an ID is either lazy or stupid or apathetic. That thought segues to saying that many Dems are the stupid, lazy or apathetic ones IF such laws affect primarily Dems. NOT trying to mean, it just seems to boil down that way.
.
I want to make clear that I am NOT putting Dems down like it may have sounded. I am just talking about the appearances.
IF someone thought that were speaking up for me about having difficulty voting because of my skin color, I would tell them to pound sand! My skin color would NOT be a disadvantage for such a thing & I would resent such a claim.
It's just a weak, insulting & convaluted claim.
I have voted Dem, Repub & even 3rd party in my decades as a voter & I would help anyone get to the county clerk or DMV to get their pic ID IF they were merely civil no matter their affiliation.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21460 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course not everyone has an ID so IF Dems & Repubs shuttle voters to the polls every election, so why not shuttle them to get their FREE ID which is good for yrs & yrs?
I repeat that anyone that can not make arrangements to get an ID is either lazy or stupid or apathetic.
"Lazy or stupid or apathetic"? Here's the situation in Texas:

"As I mentioned, 600–800,000 registered voters don’t have an acceptable voter ID, but according to the Dallas Morning News “only 41 of the new cards were issued by DPS [Department of Public Safety] as of last week.”

Getting a valid photo ID in Texas can be far more difficult than one assumes. To obtain one of the government-issued IDs now needed to vote, voters must first pay for underlying documents to confirm their identity, the cheapest option being a birth certificate for $22 (otherwise known as a “poll tax”); there are no DMV offices in eighty-one of 254 counties in the state, with some voters needing to travel up to 250 miles to the closest location. Counties with a significant Hispanic population are less likely to have a DMV office, while Hispanic residents in such counties are twice as likely as whites to not have the new voter ID (Hispanics in Texas are also twice as likely as whites to not have a car).“A law that forces poorer citizens to choose between their wages and their franchise unquestionably denies or abridges their right to vote,” a federal court wrote last year when it blocked the law."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/176792/texas-vo... #

There has never been a great deal of voter fraud in this country. When asked to demonstrate an objective need for the law, there were very few examples produced. It's obvious to most folks (including conservative Republicans) that voter ID laws were passed to suppress voting. Do you deny this? Then you are pretty naive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppressio...
Pops

Newport, KY

#21461 Oct 26, 2013
I can't speak for every state But of course the pathway for an ID should not be insurmountable or overly difficult. I totally agree with that. IF a law has notable flaws it should be refined. Any of those laws should be litigated specifically. Not the 'scatter gun' nuclear tactics being argued today.
I won't argue the 'small numbers' of voter fraud happening. But I will compare it to shoplifting. Just because few people shop lift, should we dismiss fighting it?
Then there are the near countless peoples that live in small communities where elections are won & lost by single digit numbers. I once lived in such a place for years. Elections with an eight vote difference & There was a 50 vote or less difference many times.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21462 Oct 26, 2013
OH, Both of the Dakotas, Montana, Wyoming & other states have vast lowly populated areas but that can be dealt with by setting official photo ID regs for a school, a church, library or other such place, There could be a van that travels a scheduled route not unlike a Book Mobile or the Medical Help vans travel the poor & destitute parts of the country now.
My late mom had an error on her birth certificate. It took 2 people that knew her with an ID to testify as to her identity & the correction and it was done. Why wouldn't that same scenerio still work today since her errored birth certificate was about the same as not having one?
These issues can be dealt with without invalidating the whole law & it's reasonable intent. Procedures like that would winnow out perceived discrimination.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21463 Oct 26, 2013
"Younger Americans, people without college educations, the poor and Hispanics are among groups most likely to be unable to vote under new state laws requiring photo identification, an analysis of Reuters/Ipsos poll data showed on Wednesday."

"Republican-led state legislatures have passed most of the laws since the party won sweeping state and local election victories in 2010. They say their goal is to prevent voter fraud; critics say they are designed to depress turnout among groups that typically back Democrats.

Decades of study have found virtually no use of false identification in U.S."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/26/us-...
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21464 Oct 26, 2013
So, Pops, here's the short version: Republicans passed laws to address a non-existent problem, which had the effect of suppressing votes of groups that tend to vote Democratic.

If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.

Would that distress you?
Pops

Newport, KY

#21465 Oct 26, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
So, Pops, here's the short version: Republicans passed laws to address a non-existent problem, which had the effect of suppressing votes of groups that tend to vote Democratic.
If, when the Democrats are in power at the state level and they decide to limit polling places to cities (to save money of course!) However, it might have the result that rural folks (which tend to vote Republican) might be "too lazy" to drive into the city to vote and that would benefit the Democrats.
Would that distress you?
Lazy people live everywhere & I don't want lazy people voting. They would tend to expand the list of freebies that could NOT exist if not for the workers.
I have already addressed the rural voter's ID issue & how to improve it so address that or move on to something else. Another facet or something.
But in the same thought process as your claim that Repubs wrote & passed tilted laws, the same can properly be said about Dems & the ACA. BOTH are examples of why there is so much polarization today.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#21466 Oct 26, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Lazy people live everywhere & I don't want lazy people voting. They would tend to expand the list of freebies that could NOT exist if not for the workers.
I have already addressed the rural voter's ID issue & how to improve it so address that or move on to something else. Another facet or something.
But in the same thought process as your claim that Repubs wrote & passed tilted laws, the same can properly be said about Dems & the ACA. BOTH are examples of why there is so much polarization today.
You're full of it, remember when election day was a day off to go vote. Not into today's world.

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