Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21264 Oct 19, 2013
Oops! I forgot the link for those quotes:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/opinion/sun...
Pops

Newport, KY

#21265 Oct 19, 2013
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
And how did you feel when those same folks voted for George W. Bush twice? It's easy to say that voters are dumb(and sometimes they are!), but I was responding to Reality Speaks assertion that "half this country will be voting for term limits, an amendment outlawing Obamacare, and a balanced budget as the law of the land."
If half the voters wanted to, they could have voted out Obama in the last election. They didn't. While it's true that Republicans won the House, they achieved that by gerrymandering voting districts. Without that, they would have lost the House, too. This does not bode well for the Republican party.
"Normally we would expect more seats in Congress to go to the political party that receives more votes, but the last election confounded expectations. Democrats received 1.4 million more votes for the House of Representatives, yet Republicans won control of the House by a 234 to 201 margin. This is only the second such reversal since World War II."
"Confounding conventional wisdom, partisan redistricting is not symmetrical between the political parties. By my seat-discrepancy criterion, 10 states are out of whack: the five I have mentioned, plus Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Illinois and Texas. Arizona was redistricted by an independent commission, Texas was a combination of Republican and federal court efforts, and Illinois was controlled by Democrats. Republicans designed the other seven maps. Both sides may do it, but one side does it more often."
Historically, it would seem that both parties do it equally or near equally.The courts not withstanding. Like you said, it's normal.
I know people that vote to split the WH, Senate & the House. Their M.O. is that that balances the votes to all trains of thoughts, interests & goals.
Then some people do not vote because they understandably think that they are all crooks along with those that feel that their vote doesn't matter.
I have voted 3rd party B4 because I am NOT inclined to vote for the lessor of 2 evils which seems to often be the case even though those that do so take votes from an otherwise possible winner like Ross Perot & Teddy Roosevelt have clearly done.
I have stated my biggest problem with Obama many times on this thread. HIS track record is one of failures, dissention, untruths, division, economic ruin, pettiness, sorry world affairs/relations etc etc.
He can not seem to remember that even tho EVERYONE did not vote for him, he is supposed to be for ALL of the people instead of his personal legacy & NOT tell the Republicans that they can sit in the back!
He is NOT to pick & choose what laws to enforce IE: Immigration, Affordable Care Act facets & more.
In equal fairness, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional too. So I do NOT criticize only Obama.
In fact, EVERY representative that is NOT in their 1st term needs to go. Collectively they are ALL responsible for todays mess.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21266 Oct 19, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Historically, it would seem that both parties do it equally or near equally.The courts not withstanding. Like you said, it's normal.
I know people that vote to split the WH, Senate & the House. Their M.O. is that that balances the votes to all trains of thoughts, interests & goals.
Then some people do not vote because they understandably think that they are all crooks along with those that feel that their vote doesn't matter.
I have voted 3rd party B4 because I am NOT inclined to vote for the lessor of 2 evils which seems to often be the case even though those that do so take votes from an otherwise possible winner like Ross Perot & Teddy Roosevelt have clearly done.
I have stated my biggest problem with Obama many times on this thread. HIS track record is one of failures, dissention, untruths, division, economic ruin, pettiness, sorry world affairs/relations etc etc.
He can not seem to remember that even tho EVERYONE did not vote for him, he is supposed to be for ALL of the people instead of his personal legacy & NOT tell the Republicans that they can sit in the back!
He is NOT to pick & choose what laws to enforce IE: Immigration, Affordable Care Act facets & more.
In equal fairness, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional too. So I do NOT criticize only Obama.
In fact, EVERY representative that is NOT in their 1st term needs to go. Collectively they are ALL responsible for todays mess.
If somebody asks me what party I belong to, I tell them Republican. If they ask why, I tell them because Republicans are scumballs, just not as big of scumballs as the Democrats.

If you randomly pulled ten people off the street and ask them some political or issue questions, perhaps two out of the ten may answer them coherently. Pull those very same people out of the crowd and ask them the latest version of I-phone or American Idol contestants, you would probably get seven out of ten or more. That's the problem in this country.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21267 Oct 19, 2013
I have been voting since '72 & I have NEVER pulled a straight party ticket in my life so I have been registered Independent for decades.
Canton doesn't like to hear that but that's his problem since he likes to label & denigrate everyone that disagrees with him.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21268 Oct 19, 2013
Pops wrote:
I have been voting since '72 & I have NEVER pulled a straight party ticket in my life so I have been registered Independent for decades.
Canton doesn't like to hear that but that's his problem since he likes to label & denigrate everyone that disagrees with him.
Canton seems to have a problem with a lot of things like the Iraq war which his buddy continued through most of his first term, oil companies that provide us with energy, corporations that provide us with work directly or indirectly, religion which is nothing more than organizations of peace and love, and of course Global Warming which the newest evidence seems to indicate is going in the opposite direction.

I always vote party with the exception of one time where I voted for Strickland for a second term. He wasn't a good governor, but I did like his stance on guns and the laws he signed in. It was that reason alone that I cast my vote for a Democrat politician. Other than that, our state is Republican controlled which is why I get off of work earlier because they increased our speed limits for trucks. Getting more work done in less time helps our company profits which is always a good thing, and we can give our customers more reliable and timely service thanks to the speed limit changes in our state. I don't think that would have ever happened with a Democrat majority of legislatures.

The thing is, voting is not about electing a person that shares your values, voting is about keeping the person(s) out that has the exact opposite values as yours. That's the reason I use party-line voting.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21269 Oct 19, 2013
Pops wrote:
I have been voting since '72 & I have NEVER pulled a straight party ticket in my life so I have been registered Independent for decades.
Canton doesn't like to hear that but that's his problem since he likes to label & denigrate everyone that disagrees with him.
Once again, how can anyone disagree with the facts? OOPS! I know, dementia or denial.
Pops

Newport, KY

#21270 Oct 19, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Canton seems to have a problem with a lot of things like the Iraq war which his buddy continued through most of his first term, oil companies that provide us with energy, corporations that provide us with work directly or indirectly, religion which is nothing more than organizations of peace and love, and of course Global Warming which the newest evidence seems to indicate is going in the opposite direction.
I always vote party with the exception of one time where I voted for Strickland for a second term. He wasn't a good governor, but I did like his stance on guns and the laws he signed in. It was that reason alone that I cast my vote for a Democrat politician. Other than that, our state is Republican controlled which is why I get off of work earlier because they increased our speed limits for trucks. Getting more work done in less time helps our company profits which is always a good thing, and we can give our customers more reliable and timely service thanks to the speed limit changes in our state. I don't think that would have ever happened with a Democrat majority of legislatures.
The thing is, voting is not about electing a person that shares your values, voting is about keeping the person(s) out that has the exact opposite values as yours. That's the reason I use party-line voting.
Even tho I wasn't old enough to vote for JFK, I would have. Among other things, he said, "we can NOT tax ourselves to prosperity" & he acted on that. The Dems aren't that way now.
My state congressman Where I used to live in KY was the primary author for concealed carry & the castle doctrine. He also had his phone number & address listed in the phone book & showed up for church or school or softball, football, soccer etc events. He answered a letter that I sent him asking about the state economy & Even tho he is a Dem, I had to vote for him time & time again.
Vote the candidate NOT the party. They all have leftist, moderates, & rightists etc. I vote the person's position, NOT the party although I do strongly favor a specific party.
As far as political positions, I am truly non-partisan & vote the issues/candidate.
That may be why I can agree to dis-agree without insulting the other simply because we disagree on politics.
BUT when it comes to baseless personal attacks, I can get fired up.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#21271 Oct 19, 2013
Pops wrote:
I have been voting since '72 & I have NEVER pulled a straight party ticket in my life so I have been registered Independent for decades.
Pops, I've been registered both Republican and Democrat over the years, but I've never voted for a Republican president. Have you ever voted for a Democratic presidential candidate? I find that many "independent voters" still have pretty strong partisan feelings...

I know you are also an old fart, so I'm going to throw this out. I haven't been really happy with any of the Democratic candidates. I just always thought they were better than the opposition. But my favorite all time candidate was Fred Harris. Do you remember him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_R._Harris
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#21272 Oct 20, 2013
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Even tho I wasn't old enough to vote for JFK, I would have. Among other things, he said, "we can NOT tax ourselves to prosperity" & he acted on that. The Dems aren't that way now.
My state congressman Where I used to live in KY was the primary author for concealed carry & the castle doctrine. He also had his phone number & address listed in the phone book & showed up for church or school or softball, football, soccer etc events. He answered a letter that I sent him asking about the state economy & Even tho he is a Dem, I had to vote for him time & time again.
Vote the candidate NOT the party. They all have leftist, moderates, & rightists etc. I vote the person's position, NOT the party although I do strongly favor a specific party.
As far as political positions, I am truly non-partisan & vote the issues/candidate.
That may be why I can agree to dis-agree without insulting the other simply because we disagree on politics.
BUT when it comes to baseless personal attacks, I can get fired up.
I don't blame you there, that's why the only time I resort to personal insults is when I'm insulted first, and even then, rarely.

But I have to ask, how does one vote for "the candidate" when our country is so polarized? With the exception of the abortion issue and perhaps the legalization of marijuana, I'm a pretty conservative guy. What Democrat has my conservative values that would make me want to vote for him or her over a typical Republican?

Our party is pretty divided these days. We have the moderates vs the Tea Party. Democrats on the other hand have no division. They all pretty much say and do the same things. True, some a bit more liberal than others, but they don't have the near dichotomy we have on the Republican side.

JFK would be considered a conservative if alive today; one of the few they could call a DINO.

John F Kennedy:
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."

Democrats today:
"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#21273 Oct 20, 2013
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't blame you there, that's why the only time I resort to personal insults is when I'm insulted first, and even then, rarely.
But I have to ask, how does one vote for "the candidate" when our country is so polarized? With the exception of the abortion issue and perhaps the legalization of marijuana, I'm a pretty conservative guy. What Democrat has my conservative values that would make me want to vote for him or her over a typical Republican?
Our party is pretty divided these days. We have the moderates vs the Tea Party. Democrats on the other hand have no division. They all pretty much say and do the same things. True, some a bit more liberal than others, but they don't have the near dichotomy we have on the Republican side.
JFK would be considered a conservative if alive today; one of the few they could call a DINO.
John F Kennedy:
"Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country."
Democrats today:
"Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country can do for you."
an organized public education system started with the governments control, has taught millions of sheep their government owes them, and the rich stole their opportunity.

today we reap what we sowed.

we allowed it to happen due to pure laziness.

now who has the nuts to push back, and control the millions of sheep who were brainwashed?
President Cheney

Canton, OH

#21275 Oct 20, 2013
President McKinley wrote:
<quoted text>
You are still fuming about the past?
your fix is communism?
does Mommy still tuck your plastic sheets under you?
bed wetters like you can't tie your own shoes, and you call yourself smart. Are you comparing yourself to a cow as comparison to classify yourself smart?
your posts show an uneducated hallucination prone child who blindly follow others. You even run ahead of the herd to be the 1st to jump off the cliff.
Oh Reality Speaks. If anyone wants to be ahead of "your herd", all one needs to do is look back a couple posts and read the original wording you leeched off of someone else. Polly want a trust fund check? Too bad you used the same leechy, parrot technique when you read about Timothy McVeigh. You said to your self "That child murderer is really the cat's pajamas!" and then lined your beliefs on the government, gun control, taxes and socialism up exactly with old Timmy Tea Bagger McVeigh. It's why we all laugh at you and toss coins at your pointy shoes while you dance for the amusement of the forum. You are just a stammering joke of a man. Ask your wife. As far as anyone "fuming" from the past, I think you meant to say "Still paying for the ignorance you voted for in the past". Get it right, little Bunny Foo Foo.
President Cheney

Canton, OH

#21276 Oct 20, 2013
Pops wrote:
I have been voting since '72 & I have NEVER pulled a straight party ticket in my life so I have been registered Independent for decades.
Canton doesn't like to hear that but that's his problem since he likes to label & denigrate everyone that disagrees with him.
I think you meant to say that you have been a registered sex offender for decades and haven't told the truth since 72.
President Palin

Canton, OH

#21277 Oct 20, 2013
commie coackroach spray wrote:
<quoted text>
a can of raid is your judgement day.
An Amber Alert for your Doomsday Bible bunker.
GOP 101

Canton, OH

#21278 Oct 20, 2013
Democrat 101 wrote:
My right to throw a baby huey fit until I get to spend all your savings to my hearts content supercedes your right to breathe!
I'm a democrat and I need what you have! Hand it over!
http://armchairsubversive.blogspot.com/
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#21279 Oct 20, 2013
President Cheney wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Reality Speaks. If anyone wants to be ahead of "your herd", all one needs to do is look back a couple posts and read the original wording you leeched off of someone else. Polly want a trust fund check? Too bad you used the same leechy, parrot technique when you read about Timothy McVeigh. You said to your self "That child murderer is really the cat's pajamas!" and then lined your beliefs on the government, gun control, taxes and socialism up exactly with old Timmy Tea Bagger McVeigh. It's why we all laugh at you and toss coins at your pointy shoes while you dance for the amusement of the forum. You are just a stammering joke of a man. Ask your wife. As far as anyone "fuming" from the past, I think you meant to say "Still paying for the ignorance you voted for in the past". Get it right, little Bunny Foo Foo.
and because your being left behind is the GOP's fault according to you, we will hysterically laugh directly in your face.

when at WalMart today when you are panhandling..........

remember you going on strike and the companies fleeing Canton.

need me to post the list as reminder to your drug damaged brain?

you are so brilliant, you are still shocked your threat was ignored as a joke.

life passed you by because you screamed get out of here, and now you complain.

let me get another cup of coffee and sit down to listen to your comedy show.

will there be music and more dancing around reality?
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#21280 Oct 20, 2013
President Cheney wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh Reality Speaks. If anyone wants to be ahead of "your herd", all one needs to do is look back a couple posts and read the original wording you leeched off of someone else. Polly want a trust fund check? Too bad you used the same leechy, parrot technique when you read about Timothy McVeigh. You said to your self "That child murderer is really the cat's pajamas!" and then lined your beliefs on the government, gun control, taxes and socialism up exactly with old Timmy Tea Bagger McVeigh. It's why we all laugh at you and toss coins at your pointy shoes while you dance for the amusement of the forum. You are just a stammering joke of a man. Ask your wife. As far as anyone "fuming" from the past, I think you meant to say "Still paying for the ignorance you voted for in the past". Get it right, little Bunny Foo Foo.
Gun control is hitting exactly where you aim.

Taxes are something you don't pay.

and socialism is slavery to weak lazy sheep like yourself.

Please tell me again how you are going to take over the country with 1 box of ammo to your name.

a swelled head like your makes an easier target, especially when to stupid to see the laser dot on your forehead.
Reality Menstrates

Canton, OH

#21281 Oct 20, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
and because your being left behind is the GOP's fault according to you, we will hysterically laugh directly in your face.
when at WalMart today when you are panhandling..........
remember you going on strike and the companies fleeing Canton.
need me to post the list as reminder to your drug damaged brain?
you are so brilliant, you are still shocked your threat was ignored as a joke.
life passed you by because you screamed get out of here, and now you complain.
let me get another cup of coffee and sit down to listen to your comedy show.
will there be music and more dancing around reality?
McKinley had a parrot named “Washington Post” who could whistle to the tune of Yankee Doodle. This forum has a parrot named "Reality Speaks". She likes to make kookie wrong predictions about everything and will repeat any tinfoil hat propaganda that she gets in her Tea Bagger emailed newsletter "The Corporate Fetchboy Weekly" Dance you insignificant hasbeen GOP fringe group clown, dance. American voters told you to go bye bye.
Reality the Dancing Dwarf

Canton, OH

#21282 Oct 20, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
Gun control is hitting exactly where you aim.
Taxes are something you don't pay.
and socialism is slavery to weak lazy sheep like yourself.
Please tell me again how you are going to take over the country with 1 box of ammo to your name.
a swelled head like your makes an easier target, especially when to stupid to see the laser dot on your forehead.
Oooooh more public death threats from Timmy McVeigh Jr. You're so smart. Guess when you are made to look like a stammering moron on here by me every day, limp threats of violence from a sweater vest country club sissy is really all you have left. Please post a link where I said anything even close to what you are claiming here with your 1 box of ammo comment. You have lost all touch with reality, but that doesn't stop you from speaking. Good thing all the Feds have to do is lazily press a button to drone strike domestic terrorists like you and traitors like the Tea Party off the face of this good country.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#21283 Oct 20, 2013
Reality Menstrates wrote:
<quoted text>
McKinley had a parrot named “Washington Post” who could whistle to the tune of Yankee Doodle. This forum has a parrot named "Reality Speaks". She likes to make kookie wrong predictions about everything and will repeat any tinfoil hat propaganda that she gets in her Tea Bagger emailed newsletter "The Corporate Fetchboy Weekly" Dance you insignificant hasbeen GOP fringe group clown, dance. American voters told you to go bye bye.
what a joke.

you have yet post a factual thing.

I am a 52 year old white male who is self employed.

that pretty much made your above post 100% lies again.

how does it feel to be wrong 100% of the time?

PS: you mean 1/2 the american voters, and the weak ones to boot.

MAKE ME LEAVE BIGMOUTH......your reality awaits.

I am screaming with laughter at the thought of you telling me bye bye.

Fly food is your future.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#21284 Oct 20, 2013
Reality the Dancing Dwarf wrote:
<quoted text>
Oooooh more public death threats from Timmy McVeigh Jr. You're so smart. Guess when you are made to look like a stammering moron on here by me every day, limp threats of violence from a sweater vest country club sissy is really all you have left. Please post a link where I said anything even close to what you are claiming here with your 1 box of ammo comment. You have lost all touch with reality, but that doesn't stop you from speaking. Good thing all the Feds have to do is lazily press a button to drone strike domestic terrorists like you and traitors like the Tea Party off the face of this good country.
threat?
as always you are wrong.
Promise is not a threat.
PS: drones are controlled by real americans who swore to uphold the constitution. Sounds like you best sleep with 1 eye open you communist.

your fantasy.....150,000,000 million American patriots don't eradicate parasites like you to free Amerikastan from the communist plague that rose the past 50 years.

PS: all of your posts are communist propaganda, and very dangerous to the free world. Your 1 box of ammo won't protect you when you finally break the straw.

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