Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#31995 Jul 24, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>It's as valid if not more valid than someone with a closed minded agenda.
I am also content that I am not as insulting or aggressive as you, canton or woo. Why not work together?
The answer is to divide & conquer. A very old & time proven axiom. Hitler used it, Muslim Extremist are using it, Stalin used it, the IJA used it, North Korea is using it etc etc & now Obama is using it. But YOU & others just don't see that. Propaganda can be quite effective. That proves that it is a viable tactic...in the short run. Problem is that IF it used for a generation or two, the people then alive do NOT know how to be free. A few exceptions would be like Poland & the Baltic states.
East Germany (the GDR) would not have known what to do IF West Germany wasn't there to teach them & to absorb the scholastic & economic cost to do so.
I guess you can call it anything that you want. But the alternative is allowing you to remain ignorant and believing what obviously is wrong to be right. That's ridiculous.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#31996 Jul 24, 2014
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
<quoted text>
Should be testing before voting. Those that can't understand a trial or assist in there own defense are deemes incompetent to stand trial yet are allowed.to vote....and in some areas two or three times even if dead.
I'm beginning to think that is a good idea. You, Pops, Ray, and Walter would be disenfranchised right off the jump.
ino

Waverly, OH

#31997 Jul 24, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Ignore them.
They will never admit that this scheme of Commie Care is a failure and nothing but more problems for more Americans. So the theme behind defending this jerk is to try and blame Republicans (or Bush) whenever possible whether they were at fault or not.
To put it another way, if they thought this plot was a brilliant idea for America, they would be doing everything in their power to try and distance Republicans from it. They would be ones to constantly bring up how Republicans were against this idea that became a huge success.
But instead, they are doing whatever they can to associate this failure with Republicans be it Congress or Romney. This is how we know we've won the debate, and this is how we know what they really think of Commie Care. They know it'a s failure just as people on our side of the fence know it's a failure.
LIKE.....

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#31998 Jul 24, 2014
DEMSRULE wrote:
As Romney pointed out, Romneycare is OK for states - it's only when you take it nationwide that it's all socialistic and stuff. And xxx, it's so entertaining when you pretend that the government somehow was responsible for brokers who bundled mortgages they knew were worthless and sold them as blue chip investments. It's unlikely that anyone here realizes that retardican deregulation made it possible for bankers and brokers to gamble so recklessly with our money. If they hadn't, the damage would have been limited to lenders and their clients. Deregulation allowed them to throw all the rules out the window and peddle their make-believe profits to everybody, collapsing the global economy. Ah - retardicans. In a sense, we're lucky they don't do anything. When they do something, the economy collapses, or we get into middle eastern wars that last 10 or 12 years, or the government shuts down. Then there's a presidential election, and they get their asses kicked, and they vow to do better.........
Liberal Democrat Bill Clinton accepts responsiblity too.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#31999 Jul 24, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> I didn't realize that the amendments were during the process, IF you are right about that.
Yeah, Pops, he's definitely right about that. Bills are amended before they are voted on, and the are also (sometimes) amended after they become law.(The Social Security Act has been amended many times.) That's how the political process is supposed to work, and worked for many years.
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> The whole thing still passed only on party lines for some reason, what do you think about that?
We live in very partisan times. Republicans had a lot of influence in the language of the ACA.

The final Bill included 161 Republican amendments, to satisfy Republican concerns. Most Democrats would have preferred the public option, instead of the exchanges of private companies. Obama rejected that approach in an attempt to reach common ground with the Republicans. That was a mistake. The negotiations were all a sham, because Republican leaders insisted that they would not support the final Bill regardless of the concessions made.(That's known as bargaining in bad faith.)

"Almost no one is noting the extraordinary influence Republicans had on the healthcare reform bill crafted by the Senate, as it made its way through the committee process last year. The bill approved by Sen. Christopher Dodd’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, for instance, included 161 amendments authored by Republicans. Only 49 Republican amendments were rejected out of 210 considered."

"You’ll all remember the Senate Finance Committee process, chaired by Montana Sen. Max Baucus. Baucus and President Obama empowered a bipartisan “Gang of Six” from the committee, three Democrats and three Republicans, and they spent the summer locked in negotiations that, again, never produced one Republican vote for the bill in committee. The Finance Committee ultimately scuttled the public option in its version of the bill, looking for GOP (and conservative Democratic) support."

http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/hcr_amendment...
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#32000 Jul 25, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
More would get accomplished if we just let you be wrong? OG provided you a link and you still don't understand it. You are the poster child for what is wrong with our political discourse. You think your uninformed, uneducated, completely confused and wrong opinion is as valid as people who are informed and educated.
The problem is people like you who try to find the slightest error in what someone is trying to reiterate and then focus on that instead of delving into the truth. You TRY to belittle people and then spout your own half truths. Then when someone calls you on your incompleteness, you go into personal attack mode.
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#32001 Jul 25, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The Diabetic Uninsured Delivery Boy King of the Anecdote strikes again.
Those superior morals really shine through your character. Keep it up and you're ( that "we" you keep talking about) going to change the world... one person at a time.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32002 Jul 25, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> Those superior morals really shine through your character. Keep it up and you're ( that "we" you keep talking about) going to change the world... one person at a time.
Let him keep talking like that. Karma is bound to take it's turn on him and with luck, he will come down with some serious disease. Then we'll see who's laughing and mocking. Hopefully a fatal illness too!
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32003 Jul 25, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> The problem is people like you who try to find the slightest error in what someone is trying to reiterate and then focus on that instead of delving into the truth. You TRY to belittle people and then spout your own half truths. Then when someone calls you on your incompleteness, you go into personal attack mode.
He's one of those guys that thinks he knows everything and in reality, knows nothing.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#32004 Jul 25, 2014
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
<quoted text>
Should be testing before voting. Those that can't understand a trial or assist in there own defense are deemes incompetent to stand trial yet are allowed.to vote....and in some areas two or three times even if dead.
I'm sure the Republicans would be all for it, but the liberals would have a heart attack. They only way they win elections is with the city votes where the very populated areas of poor people are. You know, the "Obama' Money" people. If we could have such a law, the Democrats would never have power again or they would have to find a much better way to cheat the elections.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#32005 Jul 25, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure the Republicans would be all for it, but the liberals would have a heart attack. They only way they win elections is with the city votes where the very populated areas of poor people are. You know, the "Obama' Money" people. If we could have such a law, the Democrats would never have power again or they would have to find a much better way to cheat the elections.
how about if you receive public subsidy, you are disqualified from voting issues pertaining to money.

if you don't own property, you are disqualified from voting tax levies.

if you don't have government issued ID you are disqualified.

above fixes vote fairness.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32006 Jul 25, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
I guess you can call it anything that you want. But the alternative is allowing you to remain ignorant and believing what obviously is wrong to be right. That's ridiculous.
At least we don't drink the Kool Aide. It is better to weigh available evidence & sometimes be wrong than to blindly follow the Pied Piper & give up free will.
Canton

Canton, OH

#32007 Jul 25, 2014
Neat Fact of the Day: 2 recent studies prove that children raised in a religious household have a hard time telling fact from fiction. Then they grow up to watch Fox News.
Canton

Canton, OH

#32008 Jul 25, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I've noticed the difference already. Took me a half-hour just to get through to my doctors office.
When Commie Care first passed, I asked my specialist how he felt about it? He said he thought it was a good thing if everybody could get treatment. I asked him the same question last December during my visit, and he just shook his head and said "I don't know!"
This failure of Socialism helped some people but hurt even more. I can hardly wait until those people that depend on their income tax refund check don't get one or get a much smaller one because they didn't have insurance.
I thought you said you didn't have insurance. You must be paying out of pocket. Aaaah ha ha ha ha ha ha! Thanks though for the Fox News standard instead of the facts. "Some people are saying..."
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32009 Jul 25, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, Pops, he's definitely right about that. Bills are amended before they are voted on, and the are also (sometimes) amended after they become law.(The Social Security Act has been amended many times.) That's how the political process is supposed to work, and worked for many years.
<quoted text>
We live in very partisan times. Republicans had a lot of influence in the language of the ACA.
The final Bill included 161 Republican amendments, to satisfy Republican concerns. Most Democrats would have preferred the public option, instead of the exchanges of private companies. Obama rejected that approach in an attempt to reach common ground with the Republicans. That was a mistake. The negotiations were all a sham, because Republican leaders insisted that they would not support the final Bill regardless of the concessions made.(That's known as bargaining in bad faith.)
"Almost no one is noting the extraordinary influence Republicans had on the healthcare reform bill crafted by the Senate, as it made its way through the committee process last year. The bill approved by Sen. Christopher Dodd’s Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, for instance, included 161 amendments authored by Republicans. Only 49 Republican amendments were rejected out of 210 considered."
"You’ll all remember the Senate Finance Committee process, chaired by Montana Sen. Max Baucus. Baucus and President Obama empowered a bipartisan “Gang of Six” from the committee, three Democrats and three Republicans, and they spent the summer locked in negotiations that, again, never produced one Republican vote for the bill in committee. The Finance Committee ultimately scuttled the public option in its version of the bill, looking for GOP (and conservative Democratic) support."
http://www.salon.com/2010/02/23/hcr_amendment...
The same folks who deny that are the same folks wishing that President Obama would have responded to the jet shot down over Ukraine as forcefully, assuredly, and militarily as they believe Ron Reagan did when the Soviets shot down the Korean jet.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32010 Jul 25, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> The problem is people like you who try to find the slightest error in what someone is trying to reiterate and then focus on that instead of delving into the truth. You TRY to belittle people and then spout your own half truths. Then when someone calls you on your incompleteness, you go into personal attack mode.
\

Being completely wrong about something isn't a slight error. It's being completely wrong. People who have remained dumb their entire lives resist all efforts of correction and get defensive. People who are smart have learned to accept help and to educate themselves when they are wrong about something so they don't continue to be wrong.

Telling someone when they are wrong isn't belittling. It's helping. When someone refuses that help, calling them stupid is simply telling the truth. I'm still waiting for those who accuse me of telling half truths to provide a single example of when I have done it. Like everything else, none of you can.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32011 Jul 25, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Let him keep talking like that. Karma is bound to take it's turn on him and with luck, he will come down with some serious disease. Then we'll see who's laughing and mocking. Hopefully a fatal illness too!
At least I will be able to go to the doctor because I have insurance. Thanks Obama!

Do you see the irony in calling for Karma in the same post you wish a fatal disease on someone? Of course you don't. I'm glad to know that I have gotten close to the bone with you Ray. Maybe you will spend some time in that delivery van today reflecting on how you aren't better than all of those people you blame all of your problems on.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#32012 Jul 25, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> At least we don't drink the Kool Aide. It is better to weigh available evidence & sometimes be wrong than to blindly follow the Pied Piper & give up free will.
Creating false equivalencies based completely on your own imagination may mask your willful ignorance to you, but it doesn't to the rest of us.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#32013 Jul 25, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sure the Republicans would be all for it, but the liberals would have a heart attack. They only way they win elections is with the city votes where the very populated areas of poor people are. You know, the "Obama' Money" people. If we could have such a law, the Democrats would never have power again or they would have to find a much better way to cheat the elections.
You don't have brain farts. Your brain completely s**ts it's pants all of the time.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#32014 Jul 25, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
Creating false equivalencies based completely on your own imagination may mask your willful ignorance to you, but it doesn't to the rest of us.
That's the effect of the Kool Aide on you.

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