Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#31412 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text> The intent is admirable. But when a House leader can & does say..."you have to vote for it to find out what is in it" , it still boils down to a snow job by one or more INEPT so called representative.
That statement was taken out of context, Pops.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-part...
Pops wrote:
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The Federal Gov does NOT need to control it. Most of it's properties could have been to the existing, efficiently run companies. Properties such as buying across state lines, pre-existing conditions, & more.
How, exactly, Pops? Those problems existed for many years, and the "free market" never solved them. Obamacare is a plan, originally proposed by Heritage Foundation, to deal with these problems. As opposed to the "single payer" system, it kept the individual insurance companies intact. Mitt Romney demonstrated that it could work in Massachusetts.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31413 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I don't know, but it would be interesting if we could somehow ask them.
And then I would ask them if they intended unions to infiltrate our governments sending states into hell holes of debt. And I would ask them if they intended for unions to take money from people so they could influence elections. I mean, I can't see any of the founders saying that corporations should not be allowed to fund politics but unions could because unions are people and corporations are not.
Or w could just take a look at what working conditions were like before unions in America, and then stop and wonder how long a civilized nation would tolerate it.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31414 Jul 13, 2014
Yah, it was the unions that created the "hell holes" in America. Not the corporations with the one armed child working 18 hours a day for a company store nickel in the asbestos factory. Hey, while we're at it, let's make George Washington a robot and make it so the south actually won the civil war. Rewriting history is fun. Just ask Rush Limbaugh's children book.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#31415 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
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Seems to me that the dems did much the same thing when they wrote a primarily funding bill that GHWB signed because he saw it as more good than bad. Then the dems turned around & busted him on his "Read my lips"...pledge.
GHWB did get a bad rap on those words. He was forced into saying it by Grover Norquist and the conservative wing of the Republican party, but he was never an anti-tax person at heart. I think he made the right move when he signed the bill, for the reasons you gave. But people like Pat Buchanan used it to hammer him pretty hard in the primaries, and Clinton used it in the general election. It was a dumb thing to say, and that was recognized at the time by some of Bush's own advisers.

"Bush had firmly secured the nomination by the time of the convention, but his advisers still worried about the lack of enthusiasm for Bush in the conservative wing of the Republican Party. Taxes were one issue that, in the words of Bush adviser James Pinkerton, "unified the right and didn't antagonize anybody else."[3] Thus a firm no-new-tax pledge was included in Bush's acceptance speech at the New Orleans convention. The full section of the speech on tax policy was:

“ And I'm the one who will not raise taxes. My opponent now says he'll raise them as a last resort, or a third resort. But when a politician talks like that, you know that's one resort he'll be checking into. My opponent won't rule out raising taxes. But I will. And the Congress will push me to raise taxes and I'll say no. And they'll push, and I'll say no, and they'll push again, and I'll say, to them,‘Read my lips: no new taxes.’”

The passage was written by leading speechwriter Peggy Noonan, with Jack Kemp having suggested the basic idea.[4] Including the line caused some controversy, as some Bush advisers felt the language was too strong. The most prominent critic was economic adviser Richard Darman, who crossed the phrase out on an initial draft calling it "stupid and dangerous."[5] Darman was one of the architects of Reagan's 1982 tax increase, and expected to have a major policy role in the Bush White House. He felt that such an absolute pledge would handcuff the administration."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Read_my_lips:_no...

Darman was right.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31416 Jul 13, 2014
It's funny to listen to all these kooks cry about the government dictating to them about health care, but in reality, they want a Christian government, passing Christian laws that dictate Biblical "morality". They cry about communism while gleefully pushing a fascist agenda.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31417 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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Or w could just take a look at what working conditions were like before unions in America, and then stop and wonder how long a civilized nation would tolerate it.
So because they did some good, they are given permission to be part of the political process but corporations not?

Before you look over the fence to see what your opponents are doing, you better look behind you and see what your side is doing before you say Nya, nya, nya, nya.

Most corporations give to both sides. In most cases, one side more than the other, but both parties get it.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31418 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
Yah, it was the unions that created the "hell holes" in America. Not the corporations with the one armed child working 18 hours a day for a company store nickel in the asbestos factory. Hey, while we're at it, let's make George Washington a robot and make it so the south actually won the civil war. Rewriting history is fun. Just ask Rush Limbaugh's children book.
Oh, so you read Rush Limbaugh's books? Tell us now, how did you like them?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#31419 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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No, they couldn't have stopped it. How could they when they were outvoted? If they could have stopped it, they would have.
You are wrong, TR. They cut deals to let it go to the floor in both houses. Someone already posted that info for you.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#31420 Jul 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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That statement was taken out of context, Pops.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-part...
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How, exactly, Pops? Those problems existed for many years, and the "free market" never solved them. Obamacare is a plan, originally proposed by Heritage Foundation, to deal with these problems. As opposed to the "single payer" system, it kept the individual insurance companies intact. Mitt Romney demonstrated that it could work in Massachusetts.
Nancy's statement, even out of content, stands on it's own. There is no way that a responsible person/representative would or should ever 'buy a pig in a poke'. 2000 pages! and no one really understood what was there? Rediculous, irresponsible, idiotic & more to vote for such a bill.
It was just a rush to get something through before the numbers changed in congress. AND it was not on the web for the period of time that Obama said that all bills would be for feedback. I find that questionable at best.
As to your question,Health Ins companies were limited by law pertaining to selling across state lines. Then there's the very real possibility that legislation could have compelled the pre-existing condition issue, covering birth control (even for those that will not be procreating), dependent youths coverage etc without creating an entire & likely inept political dept that creates a new shell for a government shell game of tax payer funds. A shell that expands the already suspicious autocratic IRS.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#31421 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Nancy's statement, even out of content, stands on it's own. There is no way that a responsible person/representative would or should ever 'buy a pig in a poke'. 2000 pages! and no one really understood what was there? Rediculous, irresponsible, idiotic & more to vote for such a bill.
It was just a rush to get something through before the numbers changed in congress. AND it was not on the web for the period of time that Obama said that all bills would be for feedback. I find that questionable at best.
As to your question,Health Ins companies were limited by law pertaining to selling across state lines. Then there's the very real possibility that legislation could have compelled the pre-existing condition issue, covering birth control (even for those that will not be procreating), dependent youths coverage etc without creating an entire & likely inept political dept that creates a new shell for a government shell game of tax payer funds. A shell that expands the already suspicious autocratic IRS.
You still don't understand what she said.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#31422 Jul 13, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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You still don't understand what she said.

Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Medina, OH

#31423 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =QV7dDSgbaQ0XX
Exactly. You should now compare what you wrote earlier that you thought she said with what she actually said. Once you get that corrected, we can move on to analyzing what she said to see that it doesn't mean anything close to what you are claiming it does.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31424 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh, so you read Rush Limbaugh's books? Tell us now, how did you like them?
No need. After I saw it was about how socialism ruined Thanksgiving, I realized it was just a sick and desperate ploy by the out of touch Tea Baggers to try to fool kids into thinking their racist crap is a viable option for our country's future.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31425 Jul 13, 2014
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Nancy's statement, even out of content, stands on it's own. There is no way that a responsible person/representative would or should ever 'buy a pig in a poke'. 2000 pages! and no one really understood what was there? Rediculous, irresponsible, idiotic & more to vote for such a bill.
It was just a rush to get something through before the numbers changed in congress. AND it was not on the web for the period of time that Obama said that all bills would be for feedback. I find that questionable at best.
As to your question,Health Ins companies were limited by law pertaining to selling across state lines. Then there's the very real possibility that legislation could have compelled the pre-existing condition issue, covering birth control (even for those that will not be procreating), dependent youths coverage etc without creating an entire & likely inept political dept that creates a new shell for a government shell game of tax payer funds. A shell that expands the already suspicious autocratic IRS.
So what you are trying to say is thank you president Obama for the tax break he gave you?
Canton

Canton, OH

#31426 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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So because they did some good, they are given permission to be part of the political process but corporations not?
Before you look over the fence to see what your opponents are doing, you better look behind you and see what your side is doing before you say Nya, nya, nya, nya.
Most corporations give to both sides. In most cases, one side more than the other, but both parties get it.
How about corporate sponsored religion in politics? You ok with that? Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on, what religion EXACTLY is Hobby Lobby injecting into a corporate agenda? Let's flip that coin. My religion says I can't work on Monday. I'm sure the corporations will respect my religious beliefs and never schedule me for that day...right? Sure they would. Anyway. As I have explained to you before, unions are flawed but allowing the corporations to choose what is best for us has never worked out for the middle class, working man. You know this. You are just high on boss man's ass crack.
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31427 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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How about corporate sponsored religion in politics? You ok with that? Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on, what religion EXACTLY is Hobby Lobby injecting into a corporate agenda? Let's flip that coin. My religion says I can't work on Monday. I'm sure the corporations will respect my religious beliefs and never schedule me for that day...right? Sure they would. Anyway. As I have explained to you before, unions are flawed but allowing the corporations to choose what is best for us has never worked out for the middle class, working man. You know this. You are just high on boss man's ass crack.
Employers decide what they will pay an employee in wages and benefits, not the government. That's not what a federal government is for.

Wages and benefits are discussed during the interview process. It is then up to the applicant to accept or decline a possible job offer.

Most if not all religions view abortion as murder. Therefore if an employer is forced by the government to participate in those murders, he, she, or they have every right to object. The federal government should not be allowed to force a person(s) to participate in an activity against their creed. Why is that so hard to understand?

As for companies respecting an employees religion, yes, it does happen from time to time:

updated 3/18/2007 12:14:18 AM ET

MINNEAPOLIS — Muslim cashiers at some local Target stores who object to ringing up products that contain pork are being shifted to other positions where they don’t need to, the discount retailer said Saturday.

The Star Tribune reported this past week that some Muslim cashiers at local Targets had declined to scan pork products such as bacon because doing so would conflict with their religious beliefs. They would ask other cashiers to ring up such purchases, or sometimes customers would scan those items themselves, the newspaper reported.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/17665989/ns/busines...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#31428 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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No need. After I saw it was about how socialism ruined Thanksgiving, I realized it was just a sick and desperate ploy by the out of touch Tea Baggers to try to fool kids into thinking their racist crap is a viable option for our country's future.
I see. So what you're doing is criticizing books that you've never read. How very liberal of you.
Old Guy

Mason, OH

#31429 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Oh, so you read Rush Limbaugh's books? Tell us now, how did you like them?
They are much like his radio show. Filled with bogus "facts" that reinforce whatever dumb point he is trying to make. Many of the wrong ideas I see in this forum can be traced back to Rush.

For example, "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68). "According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million."

Here's another: "The worst of all of this is the lie that condoms really protect against AIDS. The condom failure rate can be as high as 20 percent. Would you get on a plane -- or put your children on a plane -- if one of five passengers would be killed on the flight? Well, the statistic holds for condoms, folks." (Ought to Be, p. 135) "Not true, according to Dr. Joseph Kelaghan, who evaluates contraceptives for the National Institutes of Health. "There is substantive evidence that condoms prevent transmission if used consistently and properly," he said. He pointed to a nearly two-year study of couples in which one partner was HIV-positive. Among the 123 couples who used condoms regularly, there wasn't a single new infection."

http://fair.org/extra-online-articles/the-way...

Reading Rush's books and taking him seriously will make you more ignorant, not less.
Canton

Canton, OH

#31430 Jul 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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I see. So what you're doing is criticizing books that you've never read. How very liberal of you.
I don't like Hitler either, even though I never met him.
Pops

Cincinnati, OH

#31431 Jul 13, 2014
Canton wrote:
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Seeing how it doesn't mention abortion or birth control in the Holy Bible, which is what Christianity is founded on,.
Christianity founded on birth control?!? Here you go with the fiction again. You are awesome

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