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Union members, supporters urge repeal of SB 5

There are 23 comments on the TheCourier.com story from Jun 3, 2011, titled Union members, supporters urge repeal of SB 5. In it, TheCourier.com reports that:

By JOY BROWN STAFF WRITER A handful of union members and their supporters met Thursday to call for repeal of Senate Bill 5 and to criticize the Ohio Senate's recent budget proposal.

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reality speaks

Columbus, OH

#1 Jun 3, 2011
this is news?

if it effects them, they strike

if others rise, they want to re-write their contract

SB5 is required to keep what is basic employee employer relations in check.

no legislation on private companies except Obama care forcing benefits

public employees want free benefits, but SB5 says pay 15% of them, while private industry employees pay at least 25% of theirs.

crazy

citizens of Ohio are on strike against public employee demands.
Howard Roark

Satellite Provider

#2 Jun 3, 2011
SB5 is a good bill. The unions need to be contained, and quite frankly destroyed. Unions protect crappy employees. If you are good you have no worries. If you are not than you should have to worry.
Yep

Cardington, OH

#3 Jun 3, 2011
The wife was cordially required to be in AFSME when she worked with the state; she hated the union and all the worthless workers who always complained because they worked too hard. She left the state years ago but those union idiots still mail her their stupid literature. We laugh and throw the garbage away. Nice use of union dues! But hey, at least it keeps the post office in business.
Jesus H Christ

Asheville, NC

#5 Jun 4, 2011
Howard Roark wrote:
SB5 is a good bill. The unions need to be contained, and quite frankly destroyed. Unions protect crappy employees. If you are good you have no worries. If you are not than you should have to worry.
Hitler wanted all the unions destroyed too. You live in fantasy land if you think "if you are good you have no worries." You are under the false impression life is fair. Well it ain't. I'm tired of telling you union bashers why unions are necessary. If you succeed in wiping out all unions you will soon come to realize why they were necessary. Whether you belong to a union or not, they still have impact on your life and well being. Do you work 40 hours a week? Do you have weekends off? Do you get a paid vacation? You should turn off Limpballs and Fox nooze. They lie to you 24/7.
hmmmmm

Columbus, OH

#6 Jun 4, 2011
well...perhaps the reason the Union wants to quash this bill is that pesky little clause that, if it passes, people will have the opportunity to stop the forced payments to the Union. They will have the OPPORTUNITY to say no thanks, I'll KEEP my money.(I was one of those people that disagreed with the candidates the Union supported...a Union I was forced to join. I watched slackers and cheaters, who deserved to be fired, get protected by the Union.(It took the company over two years to finally fire the most egregious cheater!) Meanwhile the people that followed the rules realized we couldn't compete; several of us finally quit. No surprise here - a year later one of the cheaters became the new Union steward. So, my personal experience with a Union - at one time they championed the worker - today they are corrupt and a cash cow and need to be shut down.
reality speaks

Columbus, OH

#7 Jun 4, 2011
Jesus H Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler wanted all the unions destroyed too. You live in fantasy land if you think "if you are good you have no worries." You are under the false impression life is fair. Well it ain't. I'm tired of telling you union bashers why unions are necessary. If you succeed in wiping out all unions you will soon come to realize why they were necessary. Whether you belong to a union or not, they still have impact on your life and well being. Do you work 40 hours a week? Do you have weekends off? Do you get a paid vacation? You should turn off Limpballs and Fox nooze. They lie to you 24/7.
unions are for those who will not achieve on their own merit.

plain and simple.

no I do not work 40 hours a week, do have most weekends off, no paid vacation

I work 60 to 80 hours a week, am self employeed; and most likely make 8 to 10 times as much as you do.

unions do impact my life though. They cost me money.
Just the Facts

Columbus, OH

#8 Jun 4, 2011
hmmmmm wrote:
well...perhaps the reason the Union wants to quash this bill is that pesky little clause that, if it passes, people will have the opportunity to stop the forced payments to the Union. They will have the OPPORTUNITY to say no thanks, I'll KEEP my money.(I was one of those people that disagreed with the candidates the Union supported...a Union I was forced to join. I watched slackers and cheaters, who deserved to be fired, get protected by the Union.(It took the company over two years to finally fire the most egregious cheater!) Meanwhile the people that followed the rules realized we couldn't compete; several of us finally quit. No surprise here - a year later one of the cheaters became the new Union steward. So, my personal experience with a Union - at one time they championed the worker - today they are corrupt and a cash cow and need to be shut down.
Union bosses are frighten of the Freedom of Association among workers. They fear the prospect that they will have to prove their worth every year at open enrollment to members.
Freedom can be frightening to those who oppress Ohio Working Families.

Let true Freedom Ring...Defeat the Repeal of SB5
Just the Facts.

Lets Get Ohio Working Again!
We can do this!
State Worker

United States

#9 Jun 4, 2011
Reality
Your are just totally stupid. You honestly dont have any idea what SB5 is all about. Before you talk get your facts straight. I can tell you almost all state employees already pays 15% fAor their benefits. And I can also tell you my wife works in private sector and pays less than 15% of hers. That is why she carries insurance. Regardless of what you think SB5 affects more safety issues and puts law enforcement officers at risk. One reason is setting no staffing levels.
reality speaks wrote:
this is news?
if it effects them, they strike
if others rise, they want to re-write their contract
SB5 is required to keep what is basic employee employer relations in check.
no legislation on private companies except Obama care forcing benefits
public employees want free benefits, but SB5 says pay 15% of them, while private industry employees pay at least 25% of theirs.
crazy
citizens of Ohio are on strike against public employee demands.
State Worker

United States

#10 Jun 4, 2011
Again look at the ignorance of what you write. I would put my achievement up against yours any day of the week. You chose to be self employed. So do you want a little cheese to go with that wine. And I can almost guarantee if you work 60-80 hrs a week then obviously you can't afford to take off anymore or you dont have a life. If you most likely make 8-10 times as much as I do, then you could afford to hire some help.
reality speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
unions are for those who will not achieve on their own merit.
plain and simple.
no I do not work 40 hours a week, do have most weekends off, no paid vacation
I work 60 to 80 hours a week, am self employeed; and most likely make 8 to 10 times as much as you do.
unions do impact my life though. They cost me money.
30 yr Cop

Columbus, OH

#11 Jun 4, 2011
SB 5 is a deal breaker and game changer for those of us in law enforcement. One item; takes Sgts and above completely out of the FOP,i.e.-no representation during any internal proceeding. That would be a citizen complaint, use of force/taser/mace or firearm. Under SB 5, it would be illegal for a Sgt/or above to be in the FOP. Why? WTF does that have to do w/ the State's budget? Someone figure that out and exlain it to me. What it will do, cause these officers to avoid confrontations, slow down or maybe even ignore criminal activity and not get involved. But then the Senate only took a part of the day to review and vote on the bill and pass it to the House, so they really didn't think it out. So many other landmines in this bill, it's mind boggling. Ohio's Safety Forces will fight this bill tooth and nail. Those of you that thinks this is just Union leaders and Democrats fighting SB 5, you are sorely mistaken. There a lot of Independants and Republicans gonna fight it too. Supporters of SB 5, don't whine about the time, money and effort WE are expending to fight this bill, We didn't start it, but We will see it to the end....no matter how it turns out! So, you have a choice- Line up with US or line up with the Republican politicans that started it. See ya at the Statehouse next Sat, the wife and I will be on the all black SuperGlide.
Howard Roark

Newark, NJ

#12 Jun 5, 2011
30 yr Cop wrote:
SB 5 is a deal breaker and game changer for those of us in law enforcement. One item; takes Sgts and above completely out of the FOP,i.e.-no representation during any internal proceeding. That would be a citizen complaint, use of force/taser/mace or firearm. Under SB 5, it would be illegal for a Sgt/or above to be in the FOP. Why? WTF does that have to do w/ the State's budget? Someone figure that out and exlain it to me. What it will do, cause these officers to avoid confrontations, slow down or maybe even ignore criminal activity and not get involved. But then the Senate only took a part of the day to review and vote on the bill and pass it to the House, so they really didn't think it out. So many other landmines in this bill, it's mind boggling. Ohio's Safety Forces will fight this bill tooth and nail. Those of you that thinks this is just Union leaders and Democrats fighting SB 5, you are sorely mistaken. There a lot of Independants and Republicans gonna fight it too. Supporters of SB 5, don't whine about the time, money and effort WE are expending to fight this bill, We didn't start it, but We will see it to the end....no matter how it turns out! So, you have a choice- Line up with US or line up with the Republican politicans that started it. See ya at the Statehouse next Sat, the wife and I will be on the all black SuperGlide.
If I were not overseas I would be standing with the Republicans. Unions are bad for everyone. Why in the hell should I bow down to the cops and the FOP? Who do you think you are to tell me what to do? That is the problem with cops they think that they are the only people who know anything and when you question them they get really angry. SB5 forever!
OMG

Grove City, OH

#13 Jun 5, 2011
Jesus H Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Hitler wanted all the unions destroyed too. You live in fantasy land if you think "if you are good you have no worries." You are under the false impression life is fair. Well it ain't. I'm tired of telling you union bashers why unions are necessary. If you succeed in wiping out all unions you will soon come to realize why they were necessary. Whether you belong to a union or not, they still have impact on your life and well being. Do you work 40 hours a week? Do you have weekends off? Do you get a paid vacation? You should turn off Limpballs and Fox nooze. They lie to you 24/7.
Damn right, they have impact. They're bankrupting us. The issue is - take a look at yourself. If you had the education to spell correctly, you might not need a union. Thank your unionized teachers for all their efforts to keep you down,via those better working conditions that don't require them to do anything but show up - less two weeks at Christmas, almost a week at Thanksgiving, all those 'professional development days' wherein they were supposed to already be educated, three months in the summer and 15 sick days. I've lost count of the 'personal days.'
OMG

Grove City, OH

#14 Jun 5, 2011
State Worker wrote:
Reality
Your are just totally stupid. You honestly dont have any idea what SB5 is all about. Before you talk get your facts straight. I can tell you almost all state employees already pays 15% fAor their benefits. And I can also tell you my wife works in private sector and pays less than 15% of hers. That is why she carries insurance. Regardless of what you think SB5 affects more safety issues and puts law enforcement officers at risk. One reason is setting no staffing levels.
<quoted text>
You let her carry the insurance, and you get a tidy little stipend for saving the state soooo much money. Thanks so much for your sacrifice.
OMG

Grove City, OH

#15 Jun 5, 2011
30 yr Cop wrote:
SB 5 is a deal breaker and game changer for those of us in law enforcement. One item; takes Sgts and above completely out of the FOP,i.e.-no representation during any internal proceeding. That would be a citizen complaint, use of force/taser/mace or firearm. Under SB 5, it would be illegal for a Sgt/or above to be in the FOP. Why?**** does that have to do w/ the State's budget? Someone figure that out and exlain it to me. What it will do, cause these officers to avoid confrontations, slow down or maybe even ignore criminal activity and not get involved. But then the Senate only took a part of the day to review and vote on the bill and pass it to the House, so they really didn't think it out. So many other landmines in this bill, it's mind boggling. Ohio's Safety Forces will fight this bill tooth and nail. Those of you that thinks this is just Union leaders and Democrats fighting SB 5, you are sorely mistaken. There a lot of Independants and Republicans gonna fight it too. Supporters of SB 5, don't whine about the time, money and effort WE are expending to fight this bill, We didn't start it, but We will see it to the end....no matter how it turns out! So, you have a choice- Line up with US or line up with the Republican politicans that started it. See ya at the Statehouse next Sat, the wife and I will be on the all black SuperGlide.
You mean like California where they stand on the shore and watch someone drown.
reality speaks

Columbus, OH

#16 Jun 5, 2011
State Worker wrote:
Reality
Your are just totally stupid. You honestly dont have any idea what SB5 is all about. Before you talk get your facts straight. I can tell you almost all state employees already pays 15% fAor their benefits. And I can also tell you my wife works in private sector and pays less than 15% of hers. That is why she carries insurance. Regardless of what you think SB5 affects more safety issues and puts law enforcement officers at risk. One reason is setting no staffing levels.
<quoted text>
I am stupid?

Don't understand SB5?

I have read entire bill

I am stupid; but you can't form a sentence that makes since, like my wife pays less than 15% of her benefits; and that is why she carries insurance.

Setting staffing levels is market driven in every profession, not just because a union says so. Sorry to point out to you, what people already know.

Is the proper staffing level 15 to fill a pot hole?

since there are 4 seats in a police car, is every car under staffed by 50%?

You are a sheep. A dose of reality is what you really need.

See you at the election polls in November.....

Till then, you may want to read SB5 yourself; and quit listening to other sheep.
reality speaks

Columbus, OH

#17 Jun 5, 2011
State Worker wrote:
Again look at the ignorance of what you write. I would put my achievement up against yours any day of the week. You chose to be self employed. So do you want a little cheese to go with that wine. And I can almost guarantee if you work 60-80 hrs a week then obviously you can't afford to take off anymore or you dont have a life. If you most likely make 8-10 times as much as I do, then you could afford to hire some help.
<quoted text>
I am ignorant?

I chose self employment, so I could chose my own direction in life.

I work 60-80 hours a week because I want to.

I have employees; and I hired them, pay them with my money. All of them love working for me; and I bet earn more than you. Of 9 employees, 6 make 6 figures. The other 3 are office staff; and average 50K.

When I want time off, I take it; and as much as I want.

What achievement do you feel is your greatest?

Mine is 5 kids, 2 graduated from college, 2 in college, 1 in HS.

Another would be my re-inventing myself, so I get to work for myself.

The income is just a perk, of doing what makes me happy.

your envy is a complement.
OMG

Grove City, OH

#18 Jun 5, 2011
reality speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
I am ignorant?
I chose self employment, so I could chose my own direction in life.
I work 60-80 hours a week because I want to.
I have employees; and I hired them, pay them with my money. All of them love working for me; and I bet earn more than you. Of 9 employees, 6 make 6 figures. The other 3 are office staff; and average 50K.
When I want time off, I take it; and as much as I want.
What achievement do you feel is your greatest?
Mine is 5 kids, 2 graduated from college, 2 in college, 1 in HS.
Another would be my re-inventing myself, so I get to work for myself.
The income is just a perk, of doing what makes me happy.
your envy is a complement.
I, too, am selfemployed and have the same work schedule. But...when you love what you do, it's not really work.
State Worker

Chillicothe, OH

#19 Jun 5, 2011
Why dont you ask your precious kasich to save so much money also? Like adding security to his mansion. Why did the taxpayers have to pay that? If he wanted to stay in his house then he should have paid for the upgrades. I am sure that was ok with you wasn't it. You and reality should open your eyes alittle and see what Kasich is doing. But both of you are so blind.
OMG wrote:
<quoted text>
You let her carry the insurance, and you get a tidy little stipend for saving the state soooo much money. Thanks so much for your sacrifice.
State Worker

Chillicothe, OH

#20 Jun 5, 2011
trust me dude, there is no envy here. All I see is your ignorance of what is actually going on. Your MBA didn't teach you about politicians lieing to you and you can't even see it. All I see you doing is whining and bragging. Sorry but not really impressed with how much you make. If you have to come on here bragging about how much you make and everything then that usually means you have a superior complex. I have two jobs and do what I do because it is what I enjoy. And you can't even fathom what I have given up to make sure you have the right to come on here and run your mouth. So you keep coming on here and bragging I have my MBA and make so much and I dont want anyone to be better then me but I am it. You sound exactly like Kasich, no wonder you share his views.
reality speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
I am ignorant?
I chose self employment, so I could chose my own direction in life.
I work 60-80 hours a week because I want to.
I have employees; and I hired them, pay them with my money. All of them love working for me; and I bet earn more than you. Of 9 employees, 6 make 6 figures. The other 3 are office staff; and average 50K.
When I want time off, I take it; and as much as I want.
What achievement do you feel is your greatest?
Mine is 5 kids, 2 graduated from college, 2 in college, 1 in HS.
Another would be my re-inventing myself, so I get to work for myself.
The income is just a perk, of doing what makes me happy.
your envy is a complement.
Jesus H Christ

Hendersonville, NC

#21 Jun 5, 2011
reality speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
unions are for those who will not achieve on their own merit.
plain and simple.
no I do not work 40 hours a week, do have most weekends off, no paid vacation
I work 60 to 80 hours a week, am self employeed; and most likely make 8 to 10 times as much as you do.
unions do impact my life though. They cost me money.
You don't know jack about me or what I do or what I "make". Given your propensity to project like that, you are probably often wrong in your assumptions, as you have nothing to base them on. You must not have any friends that belong to unions, or you would know that your statement is plain simple minded, friend. I hope you enjoy what you do, because doing it 16 hours a day (if you indeed put those kind of hours in) can't leave much leftover to have a life. You know quality is just as important as quantity. You can't take it with you.

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