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#46 Jul 25, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
1. Your momma's Bishop.
2. That depends on whether or not your momma would be there.
3. Ask your momma.
4. No, but your momma might.
Look! I can be funny, too.
Don't give up your day job.

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#47 Jul 25, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Disappointed that none of the CoC from Martinsville or Danville have had the guts to respond to this article.
Looks like its too much for them to answer. They see churches united in worship and baptism and they can't comprehend it, it goes against all they've learned in their creed rehearsals.
But they might have better things to do...like work...than sit around on their asses all day responding to Topix threads!

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#48 Jul 25, 2013
Olethros wrote:
Disappointed that none of the CoC from Martinsville or Danville have had the guts to respond to this article.
Looks like its too much for them to answer. They see churches united in worship and baptism and they can't comprehend it, it goes against all they've learned in their creed rehearsals.
Coming together to baptize is not worship. And I did answer you on it.

Just get them to come together on Sunday morning and worship together and see what response you get.:)
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#49 Jul 25, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
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It was cool to talk to a brother in Christ, but that's about as far as it goes. And while I appreciate that they've given their lives to follow Christ, I know plenty of Protestants for whom that's true as well. Regarding what the Protestants believe, we believe everything he taught as recorded in Scripture. We just think that what came after Scripture is more suspect. And finally, he did send us to that building for a reason... we needed a place to meet, and he did what he does so well - providing in ways that we would never have imagined.
Sola Dei Gloria!
I don't know of any myself. Can you give me some examples of some Protestants who have given up having families and have taken a vow of poverty to serve the lord 24/7?

I am sure there must be. You seem to know some.

I know 1 pastor in my small town who has made a total commitment to the Lord for $200,000 a year.

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#50 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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Coming together to baptize is not worship. And I did answer you on it.
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20

Jesus answered you on it.
JustChristian wrote:
<quoted text>Just get them to come together on Sunday morning and worship together and see what response you get.:)
Are you saying people at Methodist churches can not ever go into Presbyterian churches to worship or people at Baptist churches can not ever go into Pentecostal churches to worship? Because that is not realistic. That may be how it is in CoC-oo Land but not among real churches.

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#51 Jul 25, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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But they might have better things to do...like work...than sit around on their asses all day responding to Topix threads!
Johnny Robertson, Mark McMinnis and James Oldfield don't work. They sits on their asses all day looking for ways to destroy real churches and get money from out of state.

Johnny and James and Mark are reading Topix. They are reading this too. They are too intimidated to discuss and debate here because they can't control it like they control Star News. If they don't control the forum they don't discuss. Everyone knows it.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#52 Jul 25, 2013
Olethros wrote:
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"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matthew 18:20
Jesus answered you on it.
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Are you saying people at Methodist churches can not ever go into Presbyterian churches to worship or people at Baptist churches can not ever go into Pentecostal churches to worship? Because that is not realistic. That may be how it is in CoC-oo Land but not among real churches.
I don't think it would matter much of the high end prots go to another high end prot church. Not too much difference except some of these have women and gay pastors

The same with the low end going to another low end Church. Not differences there.

Mixing low end and high end might be a problem. Low ends don't like stained glass and crosses and vestments. Too much like Catholics.

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#53 Jul 25, 2013
Olethros wrote:
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Johnny Robertson, Mark McMinnis and James Oldfield don't work. They sits on their asses all day looking for ways to destroy real churches and get money from out of state.
Johnny and James and Mark are reading Topix. They are reading this too. They are too intimidated to discuss and debate here because they can't control it like they control Star News. If they don't control the forum they don't discuss. Everyone knows it.
I curious to know if you could name a church this crew has destroyed.

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#54 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't think it would matter much of the high end prots go to another high end prot church. Not too much difference except some of these have women and gay pastors
The same with the low end going to another low end Church. Not differences there.
Mixing low end and high end might be a problem. Low ends don't like stained glass and crosses and vestments. Too much like Catholics.
No way a Baptist is going into a Pentecostal/Holy Roller church unless they are there to fix the plumbing.
William

Atlanta, GA

#55 Jul 25, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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No way a Baptist is going into a Pentecostal/Holy Roller church unless they are there to fix the plumbing.
Especially in the baptistry. Can't have anybody waiting around to get saved if the pipes burst.

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#56 Jul 25, 2013
William wrote:
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Especially in the baptistry. Can't have anybody waiting around to get saved if the pipes burst.
Finally someone zeros in, unknowingly, on how pouring water came to be an accepted means of baptism along with immersion. Except imagine you are in a culture where folks took a bath maybe on their wedding day, it's 10 below and the only water is in a basin. By the way heating churches is a relatively recent development and you really had to bundle up to go to church in the winter in Europe. I have never seen a fireplace in a medieval church...only 19th century wood or coal stoves. In the 18th century as pews arrived in protestant churches they were even boxed in so you could bring your own pot of coals to keep warm and the drafts out like in St. John's in Richmond.
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#57 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I don't know of any myself. Can you give me some examples of some Protestants who have given up having families and have taken a vow of poverty to serve the lord 24/7?
I am sure there must be. You seem to know some.
I know 1 pastor in my small town who has made a total commitment to the Lord for $200,000 a year.
Go on the mission field. You'll find them. Although Protestants don't need to make any sort of official vow.

Also, my father was like that. He was a pastor, who made a tiny little salary, and was there for the people of our community 24/7, often to my mother's consternation.

And speaking of lots of money this was the start of an interesting article...

"Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income..."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#58 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
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Go on the mission field. You'll find them. Although Protestants don't need to make any sort of official vow.
Also, my father was like that. He was a pastor, who made a tiny little salary, and was there for the people of our community 24/7, often to my mother's consternation.
And speaking of lots of money this was the start of an interesting article...
"Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income..."
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9...
Tens of Billions of Catholics have donated to the Church over the last 2000 years.

The give all of that money away. They have been in the red the last few years.

Did you know the yearly budget of Vatican is only 400 million and it serves the whole world. 1.2 Billion Catholics.

Just one Protestant Church building in Houston has a annual budget of 80 million. 1/4 of the Vatican.

The CC has fed , clothed, educated, give medical help, and given housing to more people than any organization in the history of world.

It dwarfs any other country or religion.
Barnweb

Canton, OH

#59 Jul 27, 2013
If CoCers could just admit they have not yet reached perfection and give more attention to building up the body of Christ it would be far more constructive than failing to recognize in most people's sense of the word, they are as much a denomination as anyone else.

But who would care if they tried to build up faith? What might they do to foster growth of the body as a whole - not just the CoC?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#60 Jul 27, 2013
Barnweb wrote:
If CoCers could just admit they have not yet reached perfection and give more attention to building up the body of Christ it would be far more constructive than failing to recognize in most people's sense of the word, they are as much a denomination as anyone else.
But who would care if they tried to build up faith? What might they do to foster growth of the body as a whole - not just the CoC?
In the big scheme of things the COC is insignificant as far as how they affect anything.

The The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church has as many members as them.

Almost 1/2 of COC are in Tenn and Texas. I never really heard of them until this forum.

Just another man made protestant religion.

What is a sad most every one teaches something different.

1. Southern Baptist Convention: 16.2 million members
2. The United Methodist Church: 7.8 million members
3. The Church of God in Christ: 5.5 million members
4. National Baptist Convention: 5.0 million members
5. Evangelical Lutheran Church, U.S.A.: 4.5 million members
6. National Baptist Convention of America: 3.5 million members
7. Assemblies of God: 2.9 million members
8. Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.): 2.8 million members
9. African Methodist Episcopal Church: 2.5 million members
10. National Missionary Baptist Convention of America: 2.5 million members
11. The Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod (LCMS): 2.3 million members
12. The Episcopal Church: 2.0 million members
13. Churches of Christ: 1.6 million members
14. Pentecostal Assemblies of the World: 1.5 million members
15. The African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church: 1.4 million members
Barnweb

Canton, OH

#61 Jul 27, 2013
So what. CC protests against Jesus too, as they don't abide and go beyond His teachings, thus John would call them liars if they said they know Christ.

Big deal - find fault. How about finding something to strengthen that which remains?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#62 Jul 27, 2013
Barnweb wrote:
So what. CC protests against Jesus too, as they don't abide and go beyond His teachings, thus John would call them liars if they said they know Christ.
Big deal - find fault. How about finding something to strengthen that which remains?
Only one way to strengthen The Kingdom of God. Come home to the Church the first Christians belonged to. The one that gave the world the Bible. The one Jesus said he would protect and prayed would stay as one.

That would strengthen everything. It would change the world.

Quit thinking that you speak for Jesu
Barnweb

Canton, OH

#63 Jul 28, 2013
God has spoken through His only begotten Son many centuries ago - His word is still extant, but few desire to hear Him. Many times I've pointed to the fact that the Bible did not come through Rome and as been preserved intact in the East, and was gathered together as a set-apart text before the First Century ended. So the claim that the Bible came through the CC only is not true. What is also true is that the CC texts removed the true name of the Son of God and substituted slang for 'hail Zeus' in its place...

Believe the Son, that you might be forgiven and live! It isn't about me, it's about Him, and it's about Him because God said so.'This is My beloved Son, hear Him.' Isn't that what God said?
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#64 Jul 28, 2013
.'This is My beloved Son, hear Him.' Isn't that what God said?

Exactly. Not read about him and decide for your self what he said.

And how do you know what he said? He created a Church through the apostles to teach us.
Barnweb

Canton, OH

#65 Jul 28, 2013
Like you, I could wait upon the Church telling me what they want me to know He said - or - you, like me, are capable to read the gospels of Matthew or John, paying attention to several things:

1. What He actually said - being careful to understand what He was saying... the surface meaning - was it a parable or direct accounting - figurative or literal.

2. Look for opportunities to do what He said, that we be doers of His word and not merely hearers.

3. Study the things He was teaching through the rest of the texts He quoted or referred to. A lot of gems are hidden in the texts near where He quotes from. An example of this could be found in the first epistle of Revelation that are quite vivid to portray Paul.(saying it's OK to eat meat sacrificed to idols)

4. You can learn from other students of Jesus what they have been able to learn.

5. Realize who abides in His doctrine - what He taught - what He said is the Doctrine of God. As you recognize who does - you have to also be able to see who doesn't. Why else did John say in II John the things about the need to be hearers and doers who abide in His word and doctrine - as well as those who don't?

You have to have a certain degree of responsibility for your faith that you can't just blame what you believe on someone else. Why else would God have given us the rules to judge who we are to listen to and who we are to not hear or fear? Deut prophet tests and II John and the extant teachings of Jesus in Matthew and John and Revelation.

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