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Why did God Abandon the Church of Christ.

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#1 Nov 23, 2013
All of the different COCs believe their community existed in the 1st Century.

Why did God abandon them for 1700 years. What did they do wrong?

God would not abandon the Church Jesus started after only 60 years.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#2 Nov 23, 2013
He left because they started acting like Catholics. They are the Protestant version of Catholicism. Don't believe me, listen to what Catholic Dave has to say.

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#3 Nov 23, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
He left because they started acting like Catholics. They are the Protestant version of Catholicism. Don't believe me, listen to what Catholic Dave has to say.
Just more Sproul paedocommunionist manure. How are the ticket sales going for your $5,000 Alaska Study Cruise with all the famous paedocommunionists?

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#4 Nov 23, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
He left because they started acting like Catholics. They are the Protestant version of Catholicism. Don't believe me, listen to what Catholic Dave has to say.
So God did not have a Church on Earth for 1700 years? Then he gave special revelation to Stone and Campbell separately. They merged their private relations and started a Church. Then there was another reformation and these churches split up and split up again and again.

Then in 1900 Sommer finally restored the 1st Century Church that God abandoned.

Was all this in the Bible? NT and/or Old ?
William

Atlanta, GA

#5 Nov 23, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
He left because they started acting like Catholics. They are the Protestant version of Catholicism. Don't believe me, listen to what Catholic Dave has to say.
Sometimes referred to as Redneck Catholics. Or Cajun Catholics, if you watch that Duck Dynasty show.

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#6 Nov 23, 2013
William wrote:
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Sometimes referred to as Redneck Catholics. Or Cajun Catholics, if you watch that Duck Dynasty show.
One thing's for sure there are far more CofC locations than Sproul's 12.

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#7 Nov 23, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
He left because they started acting like Catholics. They are the Protestant version of Catholicism. Don't believe me, listen to what Catholic Dave has to say.
So what was the Sproul dynasty doing all this the time since the 1st century?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#8 Nov 23, 2013
Sproul got lucky and stumbled upon some resemblance of truth. Don't just take my word for it- do a study or search sometime on coc doctrines in many cases compared with catholicism. Baptism doctrine is extremely close.

One of my elders at church has stated publicly that the coc is the closest thing to catholicism that he has seen (RCC not great in number here).

*Coc are not "prots" though sproul. Coc protested the protesters. They came from your bunch, the paedocommunionist prebyterians.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#9 Nov 23, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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One thing's for sure there are far more CofC locations than Sproul's 12.
Indeed. Does that mean that in Sproul's mind, only 12 locations have the fullness of the truth?

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#10 Nov 23, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Sproul got lucky and stumbled upon some resemblance of truth. Don't just take my word for it- do a study or search sometime on coc doctrines in many cases compared with catholicism. Baptism doctrine is extremely close.
One of my elders at church has stated publicly that the coc is the closest thing to catholicism that he has seen (RCC not great in number here).
*Coc are not "prots" though sproul. Coc protested the protesters. They came from your bunch, the paedocommunionist prebyterians.
I sorry, but the only thing they took from Catholicism is to say they are the only true Church.

In their assemblies, they are very far down on the food chain as for as 'worship' goes. Grape juice every week is a little higher than whenever somebody remembers to to Walmart in others. 2 prayers and a few songs. A lecture is not worship.
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#11 Nov 24, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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I sorry, but the only thing they took from Catholicism is to say they are the only true Church.
In their assemblies, they are very far down on the food chain as for as 'worship' goes. Grape juice every week is a little higher than whenever somebody remembers to to Walmart in others. 2 prayers and a few songs. A lecture is not worship.
I meant in the attitude and some doctrinal ideas. One true church, baptism doctrine is close enough than many accuse coc of baptismal regeneration/RCC baptism teaching, communion frequency, etc.

Protesters may be closer in worship practices, but coc is much closer in doctrinal ideas than many coc like to admit. Not that it matters.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#12 Nov 24, 2013
William wrote:
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Sometimes referred to as Redneck Catholics. Or Cajun Catholics, if you watch that Duck Dynasty show.
That is where I received most of my theological training.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#13 Nov 24, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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So what was the Sproul dynasty doing all this the time since the 1st century?
We were running cruise lines for years until the Catholic scandals grew so large we could make a living from them.
Roman Catholic Sproul

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#14 Nov 24, 2013
Dave P wrote:
Sproul got lucky and stumbled upon some resemblance of truth. Don't just take my word for it- do a study or search sometime on coc doctrines in many cases compared with catholicism. Baptism doctrine is extremely close.
One of my elders at church has stated publicly that the coc is the closest thing to catholicism that he has seen (RCC not great in number here).
*Coc are not "prots" though sproul. Coc protested the protesters. They came from your bunch, the paedocommunionist prebyterians.
Luck?
Dave P

Morehead, KY

#15 Nov 24, 2013
Roman Catholic Sproul wrote:
<quoted text>Luck?
Yes, luck. You think BW is a great original thinker. The man thinks Paul was a liar. So yes, if you find some resemblance of truth, it's luck.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#16 Nov 25, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
All of the different COCs believe their community existed in the 1st Century.
Why did God abandon them for 1700 years. What did they do wrong?
God would not abandon the Church Jesus started after only 60 years.
Hopefully we all still believe that He has been with His people.
"Lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

A common CoC study page shows the Church going apostate about 100 AD, and that it started with the Jews saying the Torah was not done away with. I can't help but note that most protestants and orthodox Christians believe this because Paul said it. But what did our Master say? He clearly said the Torah instructions and precepts - the very foundations of the righteousness He taught, would not pass - nor could His instructions in righteousness or prophecies that have yet to reach fulfillment.

He abandoned no one who ever sought or seeks to put the Kingdom of God first. He already said He will not know nor ever have known those who are Torahless - Lawless. If the Father said those who are careful to do what He said from their heart will be blessed of Him, the same is true today as it was then.

A figure comes out of the history of Israel when they were coming into the land of promise, that all their enemies were not destroyed in the first generation. Each succeeding generation was to continue that work with God at their side as they were to be careful to do whatever He had told them. Yet they rejected God and wanted a man to rule over them. The Church, notably the RCC, did the same thing - they rejected Jesus Christ as their King and installed a Pope to rule over them. God is no more pleased with the Pope than He was about Saul.

So what has our generation done to "Restore!"? Continued to follow one error of man and continue to fall backwards regarding any respect or fear of God and His Set Apart Word.

Rather than pick at the faults you see in others Churches, you should first look at your own faith and the Church you choose membership with. Do you really think you are abiding in the Teachings, Doctrines and Commandments of God?

You merely point out the need that exists to restore what you need to believe and do to be found faithful to God and His Son who came to not only die for you, but to give you the very words by which you might find joy, wholeness and the hope of the Kingdom of God.

No amount of following your own heart is useful.

We are to allow ourselves to be lead by the Shepherd of our souls - those who are His will hear His voice, recognize His voice, and follow Him and no other man or devil.
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#17 Nov 25, 2013
Isaiah 42:21-25;
"The LORD is well pleased for His righteousness sake;
He will exalt the law and make it honorable.
But this is a people robbed and plundered;
All of them are snared in holes,
And they are hidden in prison houses;
They are for prey and no one delivers;
For plunder and o one says, "Restore!"
Who among you will give ear to this?
Who will listen and hear for the time to come?
Who gave Jacob for plunder, and Israel to the robbers?
Was it not the Lord,
He against whom we have sinned?
For they would not walk in His ways,
Nor were they obedient to His law;
Therefore He has poured on him the fury of His anger
And the strength of battle;
It has set him on fire all around,
Yet he did not know;
And it burned him.
Yet he did not take it to heart."
Barnsweb

Canton, OH

#18 Nov 25, 2013
Dave P wrote:
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Yes, luck. You think BW is a great original thinker. The man thinks Paul was a liar. So yes, if you find some resemblance of truth, it's luck.
Nothing is 'luck' when it comes to believing God. Try it sometime.

Not the 'plunder' above, the Genesis 49 prophecy of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin. Did Paul scatter the Jewish Christians and aid with their imprisonment and killings? Did Paul lead anyone to think the Law of God was not good, or that it was done away with, so that men became snared by the lie to think God goes back on His word or that Jesus didn't really know the truth when He preached the Sermon on the Mount? Are there any divisions or falsehoods held among the shattered Gentile Christian 'world' that center on anything Paul uniquely taught - things Jesus nor any of the Twelve Apostles taught?

If Isaiah is true, if God is true, if Master Y'shua (Jesus) is true - then all need to repent to hear and follow Him... not Alexander Campbell, Max Lucado, R.C. Sproul or the Pope. There is only room to follow one Master. If you have two, you will come to follow one and despise the other. To stop following what the Master Teacher said is the truth is to reject Him and His words of life - which can only bring imprisonment to the heart and mind of the deceived - those caught in the trap of lies spoken in the name of God and His Redeemer.

Nothing is "Luck".

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#19 Nov 25, 2013
Barnsweb wrote:
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Nothing is 'luck' when it comes to believing God. Try it sometime.
Not the 'plunder' above, the Genesis 49 prophecy of the wolf of the tribe of Benjamin. Did Paul scatter the Jewish Christians and aid with their imprisonment and killings? Did Paul lead anyone to think the Law of God was not good, or that it was done away with, so that men became snared by the lie to think God goes back on His word or that Jesus didn't really know the truth when He preached the Sermon on the Mount? Are there any divisions or falsehoods held among the shattered Gentile Christian 'world' that center on anything Paul uniquely taught - things Jesus nor any of the Twelve Apostles taught?
If Isaiah is true, if God is true, if Master Y'shua (Jesus) is true - then all need to repent to hear and follow Him... not Alexander Campbell, Max Lucado, R.C. Sproul or the Pope. There is only room to follow one Master. If you have two, you will come to follow one and despise the other. To stop following what the Master Teacher said is the truth is to reject Him and His words of life - which can only bring imprisonment to the heart and mind of the deceived - those caught in the trap of lies spoken in the name of God and His Redeemer.
Nothing is "Luck".
You have the Truth and are infallible. Correct?

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#20 Nov 25, 2013
Mike_Peterson wrote:
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You have the Truth and are infallible. Correct?
Glad to see I'm now not the only one getting peanuts from these freaks!

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