Christ did not send me to baptize

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Brian

Martinsville, VA

#1 Sep 9, 2013
The Apostle Paul puts the icing on the cake on the issue of baptism, by stating in I Cor. 1:17, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel!" Now if baptism is the point of salvation, this statement would be utterly blasphemous. But in reality, it simply confirms what the rest of the Bible already teaches... that we are saved by grace, not works of any kind! As human beings, it is in our nature to want to earn our salvation. There is nothing wrong with wanting to please God! The problem comes in when the way we want to please God conflicts with the way He wants it. If we look at Romans 10:9-10, we see God giving us the plan of salvation in a very simple and straightforward way. The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by confessing that Jesus is (our) Lord! Now that can't be true, can it? We don't get saved by simply believing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, do we? That is just too easy. There must be more to it than that, isn't there? Don't we have to do something to earn it? According to human wisdom, we have to deserve such a great gift. But in issues of life and salvation, sometimes we have to set aside our earthly "wisdom" and simply accept God at His Word. It's like the bumper sticker that says, "God said it; I believe it; and that settles it." Whether we understand God's Mercy and Grace or not, doesn't change His terms. He has made it simple so that anyone can be saved. But man comes along and tries to make it "better." But you cannot improve on perfection! God's ways are higher than our ways, and He says that salvation is a gift, that no one can earn. So my advice is to take God at his word and receive the greatest gift ever offered; Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ!
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#2 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
The Apostle Paul puts the icing on the cake on the issue of baptism, by stating in I Cor. 1:17, "Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel!" Now if baptism is the point of salvation, this statement would be utterly blasphemous. But in reality, it simply confirms what the rest of the Bible already teaches... that we are saved by grace, not works of any kind! As human beings, it is in our nature to want to earn our salvation. There is nothing wrong with wanting to please God! The problem comes in when the way we want to please God conflicts with the way He wants it. If we look at Romans 10:9-10, we see God giving us the plan of salvation in a very simple and straightforward way. The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by confessing that Jesus is (our) Lord! Now that can't be true, can it? We don't get saved by simply believing and confessing that Jesus is Lord, do we? That is just too easy. There must be more to it than that, isn't there? Don't we have to do something to earn it? According to human wisdom, we have to deserve such a great gift. But in issues of life and salvation, sometimes we have to set aside our earthly "wisdom" and simply accept God at His Word. It's like the bumper sticker that says, "God said it; I believe it; and that settles it." Whether we understand God's Mercy and Grace or not, doesn't change His terms. He has made it simple so that anyone can be saved. But man comes along and tries to make it "better." But you cannot improve on perfection! God's ways are higher than our ways, and He says that salvation is a gift, that no one can earn. So my advice is to take God at his word and receive the greatest gift ever offered; Salvation by Grace through Faith in Jesus Christ!
Needless to say, this passage doesn’t say anything about baptism only representing spiritual realities, or not really saving. It doesn’t say anything about how those who accepted Paul’s preaching of the gospel were then saved. Paul didn’t write, "For I was not sent to baptize but to pray with people to accept Jesus as their personal Savior" (or even "to lead people to faith"). Paul didn’t pit faith against baptism.

Few truths are so clearly taught in the New Testament as the doctrine that in baptism God gives us grace. Again and again the sacred writers tell us that it is in baptism that we are saved, buried with Christ, incorporated into his body, washed of our sins, regenerated, cleansed, and so on (see Acts 2:38, 22:16; Rom. 6:1–4; 1 Cor. 6:11, 12:13; Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 5:25-27; Col. 2:11–12; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:18–22). They are unanimous in speaking of baptism in invariably efficient terms, as really bringing about a spiritual effect.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#3 Sep 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Needless to say, this passage doesn’t say anything about baptism only representing spiritual realities, or not really saving. It doesn’t say anything about how those who accepted Paul’s preaching of the gospel were then saved. Paul didn’t write, "For I was not sent to baptize but to pray with people to accept Jesus as their personal Savior" (or even "to lead people to faith"). Paul didn’t pit faith against baptism.
Few truths are so clearly taught in the New Testament as the doctrine that in baptism God gives us grace. Again and again the sacred writers tell us that it is in baptism that we are saved, buried with Christ, incorporated into his body, washed of our sins, regenerated, cleansed, and so on (see Acts 2:38, 22:16; Rom. 6:1–4; 1 Cor. 6:11, 12:13; Gal. 3:26–27; Eph. 5:25-27; Col. 2:11–12; Titus 3:5; 1 Pet. 3:18–22). They are unanimous in speaking of baptism in invariably efficient terms, as really bringing about a spiritual effect.
You clearly are out in lala land. Now you are saying baptism is efficacious. I find it funny you opened up with,“this passage doesn’t say anything about baptism only representing spiritual realities” yet you condemn anyone else who uses the Bible. Did your Pope tell you what to type or did you actually think for yourself?

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#4 Sep 9, 2013
Always amusing to run into a Baptist with hydrophobia. I've never understood why they spend all that money building elaborate water tanks up in front of the church and then say they are not really needed. At least the CofC which copied Baptist worship spaces uses theirs.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#5 Sep 9, 2013
Don’t tell but we go to the river. Maybe you can show me a Pope or “priest” in the bible pouring or sprinkling over babies.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#6 Sep 9, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
Always amusing to run into a Baptist with hydrophobia. I've never understood why they spend all that money building elaborate water tanks up in front of the church and then say they are not really needed. At least the CofC which copied Baptist worship spaces uses theirs.
Btw, I’ve noticed in quite a few post that you and Peterson have similar writing styles which has me pondering the notion that he and you are one and the same. Not only do I see the same writing style but same phrases, also.

Since: Jun 11

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#7 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
Don’t tell but we go to the river. Maybe you can show me a Pope or “priest” in the bible pouring or sprinkling over babies.
No problem it's right after the verse about using pasteurized Welchs grape juice for communion but only every month or 6 months.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#8 Sep 9, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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No problem it's right after the verse about using pasteurized Welchs grape juice for communion but only every month or 6 months.
Then you are acknowledging that the bible does not grant springing of babies?
Larry

United States

#9 Sep 9, 2013
Why don't you all prove your god instead of this nonsense
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#10 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
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You clearly are out in lala land. Now you are saying baptism is efficacious. I find it funny you opened up with,“this passage doesn’t say anything about baptism only representing spiritual realities” yet you condemn anyone else who uses the Bible. Did your Pope tell you what to type or did you actually think for yourself?
The meaning of scripture was decided 1.5 millenniums ago.

Do you really think the HS speaks to you about the meaning of a book that was put together by the Church to supplant its teaching? The Church is the pillar of truth.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#11 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
Don’t tell but we go to the river. Maybe you can show me a Pope or “priest” in the bible pouring or sprinkling over babies.
Show me first where it says anything about a Bible in the Bible and where is says everything is in the Bible?
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#12 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
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Then you are acknowledging that the bible does not grant springing of babies?
Do you think what the Church did when the Apostles were alive was right?

Is there anything in the Bible "condemning this" This was written 30 years after Jesus. Almost made scripture.

And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#13 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
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Btw, I’ve noticed in quite a few post that you and Peterson have similar writing styles which has me pondering the notion that he and you are one and the same. Not only do I see the same writing style but same phrases, also.
I think Mark says he likes cats.

I am a dog person. I have a book. 101 ways to kill a cat.

But Hey. The HS speaks to you about what scripture means. I could be wrong.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#14 Sep 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Show me first where it says anything about a Bible in the Bible and where is says everything is in the Bible?
Why do you read it then? That's weird.
Dave P

Olive Hill, KY

#15 Sep 9, 2013
Brian: If we look at Romans 10:9-10, we see God giving us the plan of salvation in a very simple and straightforward way. The Apostle Paul says that we are saved by confessing that Jesus is (our) Lord!

I don't want to get into some big discussion here, but your quote here is taken out of context. Read Romans 9-11 sometime.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#16 Sep 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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Do you think what the Church did when the Apostles were alive was right?
Is there anything in the Bible "condemning this" This was written 30 years after Jesus. Almost made scripture.
And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19 in living water. But if you have not living water, baptize into other water; and if you can not in cold, in warm. But if you have not either, pour out water thrice upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whatever others can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before.
“Almost made Scripture”+++ that’s just too funny, Peterson.

You are saying “anything” we find no condemnation for, in the bible, is “permissible”? Seriously, you want to go there?

Praise to God for Matt 28:19 +++ but that extra you tagged on, is just that, EXTRA. Let the baptizer fast??? Come on, Peterson. Show me this by the Apostles when they went about preaching the good news of Jesus Christ. Here I was thinking Johnny was way off in left field.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#17 Sep 9, 2013
There is no mention of the Bible in the Bible. There is no mention in the Bible on what should be in the Bible. There is no mention it is the sole rule of faith.

The Church created the Bible and said infallibly those scriptures are the inspired and inerrant written word of God.

The Bible was created to help the Church teach.

I read it because it is the written Word of God. I read it everyday. I read it sometimes at Mass.

I am noble like the Bereans. I search the scriptures when the Church teaches me about it.

The Bereans agreed with Paul, who help start the Church and I agree with the Church too.
Brian

Martinsville, VA

#18 Sep 9, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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I think Mark says he likes cats.
I am a dog person. I have a book. 101 ways to kill a cat.
But Hey. The HS speaks to you about what scripture means. I could be wrong.
I never said the Holy Spirit speaks to me +++ but I'd much rather He than some Pope of priest.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#19 Sep 9, 2013
Brian wrote:
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I never said the Holy Spirit speaks to me +++ but I'd much rather He than some Pope of priest.
You "never said" but something has told you to believe. Was it your parents or pastor or friends. Who told them?

The Bible is just words on paper until somebody teaching you what it means.

You said it wasn't the Church. The Bible says the Church is pillar of Truth.

Not your parents, or friends or pastor.

Since: Jun 11

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#20 Sep 9, 2013
Larry wrote:
Why don't you all prove your god instead of this nonsense
I heard your hair smells like used motor oil. It does make you look like you bathe infrequently.

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