Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#513 Jul 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
Marriage of the same sex is an abomination. Science itself show that this is unnatural. Sticking you know what up a man you know is sick. Same goes when it is done to a female. Sick is the only way I know how to say it. But mankind is also sick. Homo, we know is a sickness, but mankind himself, does not see himself has a sickness. This sickness is call sin in the bible. And the whole theme of the Bible. God promise to cure the "sickness". Once this happen, the book says, "the truth shall set you free". When this happen, we will join the "family of the universe" the book of Revelation called it the Greatest celebration ever when all the Beings celebrate that "babylon" has fallen.
Homosexuality is not a "sickness" that can be "cured". Homosexuality has always occurred naturally within the human species - as well as other species of animals - the same as heterosexuality has. Sinning is also not a "sickness", it is deliberate and knowing actions against what the Bible teaches and THAT is a choice. Some homosexual people CHOOSE to deny their sexuality to conform to the teachings of the Bible, but you don't seem to understand what a crappy choice that is for homosexual people.

I'm sorry that you are so offended by anal sex, but homosexuality is not the same as anal sex. If you would do the math, you would see that many more heterosexual people have anal sex than homosexual people. Also, you should be reminded that other people's sex acts are none of your business.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#514 Jul 29, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Homosexuality is not a "sickness" that can be "cured". Homosexuality has always occurred naturally within the human species - as well as other species of animals - the same as heterosexuality has. Sinning is also not a "sickness", it is deliberate and knowing actions against what the Bible teaches and THAT is a choice. Some homosexual people CHOOSE to deny their sexuality to conform to the teachings of the Bible, but you don't seem to understand what a crappy choice that is for homosexual people.
I'm sorry that you are so offended by anal sex, but homosexuality is not the same as anal sex. If you would do the math, you would see that many more heterosexual people have anal sex than homosexual people. Also, you should be reminded that other people's sex acts are none of your business.
Morning ASM,
Some posters haven't figured out that part......I mean about consenting adults and what they do in private.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#515 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
I mean I had the right to marry a man, no questions and no fight, but because I married a woman, all of a sudden I needed that right voted on by the general public....go figure!!!
Oh and NONE of them liked it when I said, okay let's vote on the right to marry for ALL couples regardless of whether they be opposite-sex or Same-Sex......guess what.......they didn't like that either!!!
All they want to do is tell Gays and Lesbians how wrong they are and to get with their religious programs!!!
Well, this is how the argument continues indefinitely. Your (ethical) ideas that any person should be allowed to marry any person they choose is LOGICAL. Christianity is not based on logic, it is a devoted continuation of long past teachings, rules, and ideas. I will not disagree that homosexuals were disregarded and ignored when the Bible was written - allowing same-sex marriage is an example of how our society is moving PAST those old notions. Some Christians have made it their own responsibility to prevent society from doing this - fact: society is doing it anyway.

Almost everyone I know is Christian and so, my goal is to help lead Christians into a new era of equality that they find threatening. Christians find this most upsetting - it is hard to disagree with what you've been taught your entire life - but not impossible.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#516 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
Morning ASM,
Some posters haven't figured out that part......I mean about consenting adults and what they do in private.
Hello! I hope you had a terrific weekend. I work nearly every Monday morning - so today, it's like my weekend continues..

This thread has dwindled down to only a few people, but I will continue as long as anyone is paying attention. So, here goes...

Do you find it interesting that no one is concerned about the sex acts of heterosexual people, even un-married ones? I also get angry about Christians who accuse homosexual people of fornication but do not want to allow a legal marriage that would prevent it.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#517 Jul 29, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, this is how the argument continues indefinitely. Your (ethical) ideas that any person should be allowed to marry any person they choose is LOGICAL. Christianity is not based on logic, it is a devoted continuation of long past teachings, rules, and ideas. I will not disagree that homosexuals were disregarded and ignored when the Bible was written - allowing same-sex marriage is an example of how our society is moving PAST those old notions. Some Christians have made it their own responsibility to prevent society from doing this - fact: society is doing it anyway.
Almost everyone I know is Christian and so, my goal is to help lead Christians into a new era of equality that they find threatening. Christians find this most upsetting - it is hard to disagree with what you've been taught your entire life - but not impossible.
I wish you luck in that endeavor...some Christians do get it, but those who are Evangelistic Fundamentalist.......well, they simply don't get a lot of things, including the fact that not are required to believe as they do.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#518 Jul 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
It is a shame that you don't see that the laws of moses and the constitution is basically the same. I am betting you have no clue what the laws of moses are. This is the again the basic reason why we are a judeo-Christian Society. Your argument is so distorted it is really scarery. You see mankind has a higher from of animal. I see mankind future very amazing and forefiling when we move forward to the same level of the beings that are now waiting for us. By what you say about man is he never will learn the answer to all the question that exist. I see mankind knowing everything on all the question that are ask. That the difference who you are and who I am. You say your a monkeys uncle. I say we are special, and very deserving of a promise to be part of the universe.
Could you please spell out these laws of Moses that you regard as more important than the Constitution? If they do not allow marriage equality, then they MUST be different.

When you regard humans as superior to animals, you are being arrogant. You may have gotten this idea of self-importance from the Bible, but it is still quite egotistical. Why are human superior or set apart from other species? Is it because we can read and write? Is it because we can operate large machinery? Is it because we have figured out how to remove ourselves from the food chain? We all ARE animals and other animals probably think humans are stupid. You need to humble yourself and reconsider if the actions of humans are more or less intelligent than the actions of animals. Animals and humans are equally part of the universe.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#519 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish you luck in that endeavor...some Christians do get it, but those who are Evangelistic Fundamentalist.......well, they simply don't get a lot of things, including the fact that not are required to believe as they do.
I agree, it is an impossible goal - but I don't WANT to disregard Christians as too hard-headed to use their own minds to make their own judgments.

My early conversations went like this:

Why do you hate gay people?

We don't HATE gay people.

Then, why don't you want them to have equal rights?

The Bible says.....

I never cared to argue about what the Bible says even though some interpret it to mean that: homosexuality is an abomination. My argument was always: why do you let a book determine your opinions of real, live people? Criminals go against many teachings of the Bible (and the law), but they have the right to marry - even while they are being punished for their crimes. Homosexual people are not doing anything illegal by being homosexual - there is no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed the same legal privileges as all other US citizens - even if Christians are disagreeable about it.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#520 Jul 29, 2013
"We all ARE animals and other animals probably think humans are stupid."

No comment. It speaks for itself.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#521 Jul 29, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> What?????????? The law applies only to Israel. WOW. Jesus himself confirm the laws, has he said I did not come to change the laws, but to forfill them. Our founding Father, almost all of them were Freemason. Reading your response, I know all about you. You have shown that you have no value on anything. You'll do anything what you want to do with no concern of any body around you. You don't care for your fellow man. Oh you talk about it, but that is all, just talk. The hell with my neighbor. What did I expect from somebody who believe that she a "monkey's uncle. You go on and continue to believe your nothing but a animal. No respect for yourself. That is one of the main problems that happen to this country. No respect, for the flag.
YOU are the one twisting words and ideas - equal rights is the idea of showing respect to everyone, our country, our laws, our flag - equal rights is NOT setting aside certain people to be treated differently, like you are suggesting we treat homosexual people. Showing disrespect is the opposite of supporting equal rights.

If NorCal or I didn't care for our fellow man, we wouldn't care if the current laws showed prejudice against homosexual people. She and I are both ALREADY legally married to the person we chose - we are concerned about our "fellow man" who has not been allowed such equal treatment.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#522 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
I wish you luck in that endeavor...some Christians do get it, but those who are Evangelistic Fundamentalist.......well, they simply don't get a lot of things, including the fact that not are required to believe as they do.
Should read not ALL are...

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#523 Jul 29, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree, it is an impossible goal - but I don't WANT to disregard Christians as too hard-headed to use their own minds to make their own judgments.
My early conversations went like this:
Why do you hate gay people?
We don't HATE gay people.
Then, why don't you want them to have equal rights?
The Bible says.....
I never cared to argue about what the Bible says even though some interpret it to mean that: homosexuality is an abomination. My argument was always: why do you let a book determine your opinions of real, live people? Criminals go against many teachings of the Bible (and the law), but they have the right to marry - even while they are being punished for their crimes. Homosexual people are not doing anything illegal by being homosexual - there is no logical reason why they shouldn't be allowed the same legal privileges as all other US citizens - even if Christians are disagreeable about it.
I understand......and wish that most would just admit that their biggest problem is with Gay men because most men can't grasp certain things and instead of just being honest and maybe getting educate on the subject.......they think that making derogatory comments is a better way to handle the issue.......frankly, more straight men in these threads think about what Gay men do than Gay men do!!!

It's bizarre to think about something that one claims is disgusting.......yet, I've seen these folks go out to fetish sites to make their point.......ugh:(

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#524 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand......and wish that most would just admit that their biggest problem is with Gay men because most men can't grasp certain things and instead of just being honest and maybe getting educate on the subject.......they think that making derogatory comments is a better way to handle the issue.......frankly, more straight men in these threads think about what Gay men do than Gay men do!!!
It's bizarre to think about something that one claims is disgusting.......yet, I've seen these folks go out to fetish sites to make their point.......ugh:(
See, I've never imagined the aggravation between different sorts of homosexual people. "Gay" covers a wide array of people, still, the total of all gay people only makes up about 5% of the US population. "Gay" is my abbreviated way to say: LGBT aka: Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, & Transgender - that is quite a varied group.

You must strongly associate the word gay with men and maybe you aren't comfortable being referred to as gay. I suppose within the real gay community, it doesn't make sense to call lesbians gay, it would insinuate that they are men. I get it.

However, we group all LGBT people together because any of them could have actual relationships that would not be recognized legally because the law is conditional on gender. So the Ls have "homosexual lifestyles" that are quite different than the Gs, Bs, and most definitely the Ts. Do you consider some of the activities of the GBTs to be counter productive to your cause?

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#525 Jul 29, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
You must strongly associate the word gay with men and maybe you aren't comfortable being referred to as gay. I suppose within the real gay community, it doesn't make sense to call lesbians gay, it would insinuate that they are men. I get it.
However, we group all LGBT people together because any of them could have actual relationships that would not be recognized legally because the law is conditional on gender. So the Ls have "homosexual lifestyles" that are quite different than the Gs, Bs, and most definitely the Ts. Do you consider some of the activities of the GBTs to be counter productive to your cause?
I have no issue being referred to as Gay or Lesbian......but in regards to these threads......people do make a distinction and I just try to remain on the same page......don't want to confuse some who are easily confused!!!

I don't focus on any one aspect of the community.....just as a whole!!!

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#526 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
"We all ARE animals and other animals probably think humans are stupid."
No comment. It speaks for itself.
Oh, I am an animal and so I am so stupid that I do not appreciate how smart you, the superior being, are. No, fellow species member, you are an animal with the mental capacity to imagine your superiority to all that is around you - you give God credit for being the ONLY being superior to yourself - you imagine that you are so much wiser than you are. You think you have a book with all the answers - look at nature, it didn't need a book to instruct it what to do. I, like an animal, trust the world I interact with - not the one I read about or see on TV - you, the superior being to animals, trust what you are told by other people. Humans can be as smart as they believe themselves to be - that won't make them necessarily fair better in the real world - it will depend on how practical their "smarts" are. Animals are MUCH more practical than humans.

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#527 Jul 29, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
I have no issue being referred to as Gay or Lesbian......but in regards to these threads......people do make a distinction and I just try to remain on the same page......don't want to confuse some who are easily confused!!!
I don't focus on any one aspect of the community.....just as a whole!!!
I understand how it seems that when anti-gay posters site activities of the gay rights movement, that ARE most bothered by men dressed as women and imagining men having anal sex. I understand that forced sodomy is "man rape" and men are very uncomfortable even imagining that activity, since it is degrading and painful. I would suggest that plain ol' heterosexual "lady rape" is also painful and degrading - only women don't blame all heterosexual people because there are some heterosexual rapists. Some people associate gay men with rapists and child molesters because this HAS happened - not any more than heterosexual raping and molesting - but as a way to place blame on a group of people something that the community doesn't want to take responsibility for. You may think: where's all the criminal lesbians who rape and molest - this has nothing to do with ME. But you have to take responsibility for the actions of gay criminals since it is material to speak against the gay movement in general. It would seem silly to blame all the heterosexual rape and molestation on 95% of the population - they can't help it if some of their kind are loony criminals - but to simply BE part of the 5% who are gay, you are considered by some to be as guilty as a criminal and certainly a risk to children - it is an insane misconception and prejudice. A ridiculous stereotype when applied to lesbians, some of our best child care-givers - what's better than one mom? 2

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#528 Jul 29, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand how it seems that when anti-gay posters site activities of the gay rights movement, that ARE most bothered by men dressed as women and imagining men having anal sex. I understand that forced sodomy is "man rape" and men are very uncomfortable even imagining that activity, since it is degrading and painful. I would suggest that plain ol' heterosexual "lady rape" is also painful and degrading - only women don't blame all heterosexual people because there are some heterosexual rapists. Some people associate gay men with rapists and child molesters because this HAS happened - not any more than heterosexual raping and molesting - but as a way to place blame on a group of people something that the community doesn't want to take responsibility for. You may think: where's all the criminal lesbians who rape and molest - this has nothing to do with ME. But you have to take responsibility for the actions of gay criminals since it is material to speak against the gay movement in general. It would seem silly to blame all the heterosexual rape and molestation on 95% of the population - they can't help it if some of their kind are loony criminals - but to simply BE part of the 5% who are gay, you are considered by some to be as guilty as a criminal and certainly a risk to children - it is an insane misconception and prejudice. A ridiculous stereotype when applied to lesbians, some of our best child care-givers - what's better than one mom? 2
Trust me......I've tried to explain that with regards to comments made about sexually assaulting boys........but some don't understand that Child Molestation has NOTHING to do with the adult's sexual orientation.

I mean I've even made the same comment regarding that just because heterosexual men molest little girls, does that mean ALL heterosexual men do? They don't like it when I throw it back at them......figures!!!

Just like with natural procreation only being between a man and a woman......some don't understand that we don't prevent infertile women or sterile men from getting married so why should we prevent Gays or Lesbians from getting married just because they can't procreate naturally between them.

See, I've been through most every argument that they present......they just don't like that most of their's have be debunked!!!
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#529 Jul 30, 2013
NorCal Native wrote:
<quoted text>
I understand......and wish that most would just admit that their biggest problem is with Gay men because most men can't grasp certain things and instead of just being honest and maybe getting educate on the subject.......they think that making derogatory comments is a better way to handle the issue.......frankly, more straight men in these threads think about what Gay men do than Gay men do!!!
It's bizarre to think about something that one claims is disgusting.......yet, I've seen these folks go out to fetish sites to make their point.......ugh:(
Has a human being you have every right to be treated has a person. You have the right to work at any place that you are quailified for. you have the same rights has me, And I will defend that. But I am sorry, I could never recognized same sex marriage. This you know where I stand. I will not post here anymore because you know where I stand. I am not going to keep on harping on the same subject over and over.

“TAKIA AND TA TONKA”

Since: Aug 08

HAPPY TOGETHER!!!

#530 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Has a human being you have every right to be treated has a person. You have the right to work at any place that you are quailified for. you have the same rights has me, And I will defend that. But I am sorry, I could never recognized same sex marriage. This you know where I stand. I will not post here anymore because you know where I stand. I am not going to keep on harping on the same subject over and over.
Whatever......by the way......just a little FYI for ya......it's not "SAME-SEX" Marriage.....it's just a regular marriage that happens to involve 2 people of the Same-Sex:-)

Now, please have a good day and try not to get bent outta of shape over this issue.....it's NOT going away!!!

Since: Jul 12

Oceana, WV

#531 Jul 30, 2013
killedjoe wrote:
<quoted text> Has a human being you have every right to be treated has a person. You have the right to work at any place that you are quailified for. you have the same rights has me, And I will defend that. But I am sorry, I could never recognized same sex marriage. This you know where I stand. I will not post here anymore because you know where I stand. I am not going to keep on harping on the same subject over and over.
You have the right to marry the person you choose to marry - why don't homosexual people have this right like you do?
killedjoe

Lindenhurst, NY

#532 Jul 30, 2013
Awesome_Steve_Monkey wrote:
<quoted text>
You have the right to marry the person you choose to marry - why don't homosexual people have this right like you do?
Go back and see my answer. I said what I said, I don't need to keep on harping and repeating myself.

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