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#103 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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IF RCC believes only in the verbal and not the written instructions of the Apostles that verbal ended upon the death of the Apostles, and dont talk about Apostolic succession which did not happen. So there is no way the RCC believes the verses in a bible.
You are spinning in circles!!! verbal > Sacred Tradition

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#104 Jul 25, 2013
JustChristian wrote:
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The fact is, Matthew’s Gospel record was written in Greek; and the Greek clearly reflects a distinction between the masculine petros, and the feminine petra So the argument stands.
This point is alleged to be negated, however, by the supposition that Matthew originally penned his Gospel account in Aramaic, and so the Greek edition is merely a later translation. This view is based mostly upon a quotation from Papias (c. A.D. 135), as preserved by Eusebius (3.39). But Papias’ statement is quite ambiguous, and as Carson notes, few scholars today accept this view. He contends that “much evidence suggests that [Matthew] was first composed in Greek”(pp. 11-12). Hiebert has observed that there are certain “linguistic features” of Matthew’s record which “indicate that it was originally written in Greek”(p. 53; emp. WJ).
You do read in context dont you? So if you do go back to the conversation that was going on and see why that peter answered the question.
"...alleged to be negated..." Cracks me up! I do wish you would at least put your thoughts in your own words. Anyone can cut and paste.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#105 Jul 25, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>Catholics believe in every verse in the Bible.

Jesus is the cornerstone and the Church was built on the apostles and the prophets,(Notice the absence of a Book)

But I remember a verse from Jesus' own mouth that says

"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

He changes Simon's name to Peter, which means rock standing in front of the massive rock at Caesarea Philippi to make his point very clearly, and said upon you I will build my Church.

Peter was head of Jesus' Church after he ascended. I would say he is little more important than Paul. The bible proves this.

Show me any Christian writings that say otherwise in the first 3 centuries.

You Protesters think the Bible is this not that. It is that/ and.

Catholics
"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."

Amen

Quote it again.

No pope, my friend.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#106 Jul 25, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
<quoted text>Sooner or later you will stop this proof texting nonsense. The Gospel of Mark doesn't tell us a lot of things like a birth narrative so I guess by reading Mark we can only surmise Jesus just appeared one day out of the blue.
"proof texting"?

And what are you doing when you quote Matthew 16:18 over and over again?

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#107 Jul 25, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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"proof texting"?
And what are you doing when you quote Matthew 16:18 over and over again?
www.roysecitycoc.org
Sorry but I do not recall ever having quoted a Bible verse in any of my posts. I just don't do it and I rarely even cut and paste. I will admit to using spell check when I think about it.
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#108 Jul 25, 2013
Wow. Hell must be having a snowstorm when I find myself agreeing with Heath. MarkEden, you might just be creating unity among the non RC'ers.

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#109 Jul 25, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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"And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church,* and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it."
Amen
Quote it again.
No pope, my friend.
I think this just comes down to jealousy. You are jealous because you don't get to wear a mitre and all those really cool albs, chasubles, maniples, stoles, humeral veils, birettas, mozettas, amices, cinctures, surplices, copes, palliums and my favorite cappa magnas.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#110 Jul 25, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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"proof texting"?
And what are you doing when you quote Matthew 16:18 over and over again?
www.roysecitycoc.org
This is 2 prots debating scripture. yes it is, no its not, yes it is , no its not. SS baby.
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#111 Jul 26, 2013
This is 2 caths debating scripture. no it isn't, yes it is because the pope said so. okay, so it is. ex cathedra baby.
Mike Peterson

Jackson, MS

#112 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
This is 2 caths debating scripture. no it isn't, yes it is because the pope said so. okay, so it is. ex cathedra baby.
Exactly right. Authority. The reason why Jesus left somebody in charge. Whoever hears you hears me.

Do you think Jesus would be stupid enough to leave us a book that is the sole way to salvation and it up to each of us to figure out how to gain eternal life when before 1470 only 10% of the world could read?

Protestants believe Jesus is that stupid.

Do you believe that that Church you go to has the complete fullness of the Truth and that you want everybody in the world to come to your Church because Jesus created it and you want to lead all people to heaven.?

If so prove it.

If not why are you there because Jesus created a Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth.
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#113 Jul 26, 2013
I believe that Jesus knew that a fellow named Guttenberg was going to create a way that his Word could be spread around the world, translated into a multitude of languages, and that there would come a time when a large portion of the world's population was literate, and able to read His word.

I believe that Jesus knew that the church that rose out of the ministry of his apostles would one day become corrupt, and that the church would need reforming. I believe that Jesus was with those reformers, and with believers in the church they left.

I believe Jesus knew that the day would come when people would come to saving faith in Him through a myriad of places - including the church where you worship and the church where I worship.

I believe Jesus gave us the fullness of Truth in His Word, and so in that case the church I attend does have the complete fullness of the Truth, because we have the Scriptures. I believe Jesus did create the church where I worship (it's not MY church, btw), and that yes, people can find the way to heaven by attending.

You ask me to prove it. And you want me to do that how?

Barnweb

Canton, OH

#114 Jul 26, 2013
'Whoever hears you, hears Me. You think they were given authority to bind over God because Jesus gave them authority to do so?

I believe 'Whoever hears you, hears Me' relates directly to John 14-17. They were preaching what He had taught them. They were abiding in His word. They were teachings His word. They were teaching the commandments He had first given them, that they were commanded to teach other disciples. So, yes, whoever heard them was hearing His words that were coming through them by direct Holy Spirit recall of what He had first taught them.

Do you ever look to the Scriptures to see this is the fact? Where did any of the Twelve foundations taught anything not in total accord with the teachings of the Messiah?

You'll only hear such things from Paul. Rome needs to admit they pretend upon Paul's pompous character flaws to think to bind upon men what God has not. To pretend to Peter doesn't even fit anything Peter ever taught and is instead to pretend to authority that is not found in example as you said. Just look at the issues in Jerusalem - Peter wasn't in charge of the Church there. Peter was out preaching, just as the Lord had commanded him to.
Barnweb

Canton, OH

#115 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda, have you ever studied Revelation? The Bride made herself ready - the Bride being the Church. The time approaching His return is evident by the 'signs of the time' given throughout the Holy Scripture, and especially by the signs He said would exist then - not knowing the day or hour, but we are called to know the signs of the time. We are also given a number of parables related to the topic of the kingdom and the returning king.

My take is that no matter what Church you attend, none are ready for His return yet. For that matter, the 'Evangelical' gospel, nor the Church of Christ gospel that end directions of God at Immersion *Acts 2:38,39, are inclusive enough to realization of the fact that we are called to be a kingdom of priests to God, living pure lives in this world, being wholely dedicated to the service of God - wherever the place we are called. The Lord will not return until the gospel He preached is preached to the whole world. Trouble is, hardly anyone preaches the gospel of the kingdom as He taught it and in full accord with the Ten Commandments, Instructions in righteousness from Moses, and finally the commandments of God and fullness of the instruction in Righteousness as taught by our very Redeemer, Priest, King and God.

Those who follow men will never know the fullness of the grace and truth of God.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#116 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
I believe that Jesus knew that a fellow named Guttenberg was going to create a way that his Word could be spread around the world, translated into a multitude of languages, and that there would come a time when a large portion of the world's population was literate, and able to read His word.
I believe that Jesus knew that the church that rose out of the ministry of his apostles would one day become corrupt, and that the church would need reforming. I believe that Jesus was with those reformers, and with believers in the church they left.
I believe Jesus knew that the day would come when people would come to saving faith in Him through a myriad of places - including the church where you worship and the church where I worship.
I believe Jesus gave us the fullness of Truth in His Word, and so in that case the church I attend does have the complete fullness of the Truth, because we have the Scriptures. I believe Jesus did create the church where I worship (it's not MY church, btw), and that yes, people can find the way to heaven by attending.
You ask me to prove it. And you want me to do that how?
So you believe that Jesus failed in keeping his Church from all evil and that it needed reforming by starting new Churches

You don't believe much of Jesus if you believe his Church failed

40,000 other churches believe they have he fullness of the truth too.

You can prove it by matching how your Church worships and what they believe to the Church of the first 3 or 4 Centuries, which is the one Jesus started.

I understand you. I was where you are once, making excuses and using SS which is not in the Bible.

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#117 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
Wow. Hell must be having a snowstorm when I find myself agreeing with Heath. MarkEden, you might just be creating unity among the non RC'ers.
I'm sure you make an adorable couple and well suited to each other.

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#118 Jul 26, 2013
Yolanda Xavier Yodel wrote:
I believe that Jesus knew that a fellow named Guttenberg was going to create a way that his Word could be spread around the world, translated into a multitude of languages, and that there would come a time when a large portion of the world's population was literate, and able to read His word.
I believe that Jesus knew that the church that rose out of the ministry of his apostles would one day become corrupt, and that the church would need reforming. I believe that Jesus was with those reformers, and with believers in the church they left.
I believe Jesus knew that the day would come when people would come to saving faith in Him through a myriad of places - including the church where you worship and the church where I worship.
I believe Jesus gave us the fullness of Truth in His Word, and so in that case the church I attend does have the complete fullness of the Truth, because we have the Scriptures. I believe Jesus did create the church where I worship (it's not MY church, btw), and that yes, people can find the way to heaven by attending.
You ask me to prove it. And you want me to do that how?
What a really, really, really big crock of it! It does not matter what you "believe" or "think" or "feel." I thought New Agers were quite passé. Kumbaya.

Since: Jan 10

Royse City

#119 Jul 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
<quoted text>So you believe that Jesus failed in keeping his Church from all evil and that it needed reforming by starting new Churches

You don't believe much of Jesus if you believe his Church failed

40,000 other churches believe they have he fullness of the truth too.

You can prove it by matching how your Church worships and what they believe to the Church of the first 3 or 4 Centuries, which is the one Jesus started.

I understand you. I was where you are once, making excuses and using SS which is not in the Bible.
Judas failed.

And he had direct miraculous Holy Spirit guidance.

Matthew 10
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#120 Jul 26, 2013
MarkEden wrote:
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What a really, really, really big crock of it! It does not matter what you "believe" or "think" or "feel." I thought New Agers were quite passé. Kumbaya.
MarkEden, when you have something constructive to say, I'll be glad to listen. Until then, please refer to my last post to you.
Yolanda Xavier Yodel

Bellefonte, PA

#121 Jul 26, 2013
Mike Peterson wrote:
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So you believe that Jesus failed in keeping his Church from all evil and that it needed reforming by starting new Churches
You don't believe much of Jesus if you believe his Church failed
40,000 other churches believe they have he fullness of the truth too.
You can prove it by matching how your Church worships and what they believe to the Church of the first 3 or 4 Centuries, which is the one Jesus started.
I understand you. I was where you are once, making excuses and using SS which is not in the Bible.
The Roman Catholic church is not perfect, just like Protestant churches. The history of the RC church is replete with heresy, and atrocities, and controversies, just like many Protestant churches. This is because it is a church made up of sinful people, desperately in need of grace from God. Has the church failed? Yes, of course she has. Many times. Just like Gomer, we are, running from God over and over and over again. But just like Hosea, God take us back. Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, it doesn't matter. We're all sinners in need of His grace, and it doesn't matter the name of on the church door, that fact doesn't change.

Personally, I'm just grateful that He is longsuffering with our infidelity, and that He shows us his love and grace and mercy best exhibited on the cross at Calvary.

And MarkEden... before you respond to this post with your typical cynicism, you can please and thank you kiss my grits. With both lips.
Mike Peterson

Birmingham, AL

#122 Jul 26, 2013
HEATH - 72 wrote:
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Judas failed.
And he had direct miraculous Holy Spirit guidance.
Matthew 10
Judas was a man, a sinner. The Church is the organization Jesus created. It is perfect and he said it he would protect it from all evil, men like Judas, invading armies and Protesters. The Church he created will be here until the end of ages.

Jesus has kept his promise. It is still here.

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