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Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#62 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
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It's clear to me that you do not understand the scripture about this, homosexuality was the norm in those cities, they did not want the daughters, they were planning to rape the men/angels of God. Lot saw these men/angels as holy and was fearful for them, he did not understand they were there to destroy the city and had the power to do so.
There was no law enforcement they could call upon that would defend them or protect them as you seem to think-it was a lawless city. If you live long enough you may see that happen in your city.
I cannot fathom this happening in my town or anywhere. Let me try harder to apply this story to modern times.

Suppose everything just goes crazy and suddenly I live in a town that is unable to enforce any laws - a lawless city. I would not be able to call on the police or emergency organizations. I'm still within reality - I may actually encounter a lawless area in my actual future. We are still in agreement, right?

This is when I would have to take responsibility for my own well-being - I would have to use my own resources to protect myself. I will replace "homosexuals" in your story with criminals, because rapists, regardless of sexual preference, are still criminals. I would not be nearly as concerned about being raped as I would be about being robbed or killed. Still - rapists exist and in a lawless town - so, I'll imagine that criminals are at my door ready to rape and pillage - I am still within reality that this could actually happen.

So, what do I do? I do what I advise anyone who is about to be victimized to do - I run away, I yell for help, I remove myself from the crime if I am able. I use my resources - I am completely against killing people, but if criminals are breaking into my house, I will shoot them with my gun and I will kill them, if necessary. What I will NOT do is get on my knees and pray to God - God will NOT prevent what is happening, only I can do that. If you don't believe me, then explain how any Christian is victimized after they have prayed not to be.

Or is the point of the story that God demolished a city because people inside the city were sinning uncontrollably? This is illogical. Sinning publicly is worse than sinning without being noticed? Was EVERY person in that city sinning or where there some innocent casualties? What about the children - are they responsible for their actions? Wouldn't they be doing God's will by honoring and obeying their parents? Why wouldn't God send people to REDEEM the sinners like it is thought that he does in current times? When nature destroys an area, is that God's work? Were the people in NJ being punished by Hurricane Sandy? This just does not really happen - you are attributing actions to God that do not exist.

If God destroys my town, I will be the most surprised person in it.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#63 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
ASM said: "its not much fun to agree with people"
I think you may have hit the nail on the head:-)
AHHH, Bob! You are insinuating that I come here to take the opposite stance on your view just for fun. That is not what I was saying. I come here because I know that your view is already in conflict with mine - I think it is fun to discuss it. I am happy to agree with you when our ideas are in agreement.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#64 Jul 17, 2013
Bobby wrote:
And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the coming of the Son of Man:were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying and giving in marriage,until the day Noah entered the Ark and the flood came and destroyed them all.It was the same as happened in the days of Lot...( luke 17)
Jesus warned us that the end of days would be just as it was in the time leading up to the flood and also as in the last days of Sodom and Gommorah.
In that case, why do you think you can control or stop people from sinning? You are saying: things are happening as God has predicted they would. I do not disagree - if God predicted that people would sin, he was completely right about it - people are sinning constantly, all around us.

You want me to believe that people were sinning less in the past and now sin is reaching a peak. I don't really believe that - I think people have been sinning all along. Our economy is failing and perhaps that was a result of sinning, but that sin has gone unpunished for generations, what is the point of pointing it out now? It is too late. But economic failure does not bring on the end of the world - it is just something we will have to handle and manage the best way we can. I expect to live through it and accept the life that results from it - you are preparing to die - I am preparing to live.

Since: Jul 12

Welch, WV

#65 Nov 12, 2013
Read this Washington Post article about WV's political views. Pineville's 10 Commandments are mentioned.

"A Blue State's Road To Red"

Eastaboga, AL

#66 Nov 12, 2013
Obama and the DNC could give a rip about West Virginia.

Coal production is not part of their platform.

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