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[Wolverine]

I consider fish, steak, chicken, & venison great items to accompany vegetables on my plate.

[Cayenne]

Down your Throat wrote:

And finally PETA's response. Please note that they can justify some animal suffering.
From: PETA Correspondent <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: response requested
Thank you for contacting PETA about animals killed during grain harvesting.
While it is true that animals are killed during harvesting, there is a lot
more to this story than meets the eye. First, we, and animals rights
advocates in general, are primarily concerned with preventing the suffering
of living animals. While millions of animals are killed each year in the
harvesting process, millions of animals suffer EVERY DAY in the meat
industry. BILLIONS of animals are tortured and slaughtered for food every
year in the United States alone. All of these animals being raised for meat
eat grain. In fact, they consume more than half of all of the grain produced
in this country. If the population of the United States were vegetarian, we
would actually require LESS grain, and thereby kill fewer animals during
harvesting. When you eat meat, not only are you contributing to the
suffering of the farmed animals, but you are also contributing to the
majority of the animals killed during harvesting.
If you have a moment, I'd like to know in which restaurant you saw this
"Guiltless Grill" menu section. Thanks again for your message. We appreciate
the opportunity to discuss this important issue.
Sincerely,
Cliff Kaminsky
PETA Correspondent

Please advise PETA that the 'guiltless grill' is really for those that have no conscience, since it serves...ummmm....steak, fish, and chicken.

So, will you be dining at Chili's today on a big tofu wiener?

[Cayenne]

Down your Throat wrote:

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Ok here are some assertions Cayenne style.
I was looking over a menu in a restaurant the other day when I saw a section for vegetarians; I thought to myself "boy, I sure am glad that I'm not a meat-hating fascist" and I skipped on to the steak section (because I'll be damned if I'm going to pay $15 for an alfalfa sandwich, slice of cucumber and a scoop of cold cottage cheese), but before I turned the page something caught my eye. The heading of the vegetarian section was titled "Guiltless Grill," not because there were menu items with fewer calories and cholesterol (since there were "healthy" chicken dishes discriminated against in this section), but because none of the items used animal products. Think about that phrase for a second. What exactly does "guiltless grill" imply? So I'm supposed to feel guilty now if I eat meat? Screw you.
What pisses me off so much about this phrase is the sheer narrow-mindedness of these stuck up vegetarian assholes. You think you're saving the world by eating a tofu-burger and sticking to a diet of grains and berries? Well here's something that not many vegetarians know (or care to acknowledge): every year millions of animals are killed by wheat and soy bean combines during harvesting season (source). Oh yeah, go on and on for hours about how all of us meat eaters are going to hell for having a steak, but conveniently ignore the fact that each year millions of mice, rabbits, snakes, skunks, possums, squirrels, gophers and rats are ruthlessly murdered as a direct result of YOUR dieting habits. What's that? I'm sorry, I don't hear any more elitist banter from you pompous cocks. Could it be because your shit has been RUINED?

More gems of wisdom from the DS that stated that Chili's "Guiltless Grill" was vegetarian.

Incidentally, if anyone is *thinking* that these are your *original* thoughts, we should immediately tell them that you are too witless to have an original thought.

The person that wrote this gibberish is a fringe lunatic that simply tries to get his audience by being both deceitful, vile and contemptuous.

And actually, it's your chit that has been ruined! Chili's guiltless grill is anything but vegetarian, unless you consider steak, chicken and fish vegetarian.

Do you people ever stop to *think* about anything?

It's not just something vegetarians do. Try it. It sure as hell couldn't hurt, especially since the author considers a carne asada steak, vegetarian!

LMAO!

Oh, and just to help you out, because I feel sorry for you...

http://www.chilis.com/menu/default.asp...

[demented ferret]

Cayenne wrote:

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LOL! Great. Does that mean you will be enjoying vegetarian food. Chili's "Guiltless Grill" is not vegetarian! LMAO. Unless you consider fish, steak and chicken vegetarian. LOL.
You hunters are so dumb. LOL!
http://www.chilis.com/menu/default.asp...

Hey I heard Paul McCartney is now a meat eating fiend. So much for that!

[Cayenne]

Down your Throat wrote:

And More Cayenne style
That's right: the gloves have come off. The vegetarian response to this embarrassing fact is "well, at least we're not killing intentionally." So let me get this straight; not only are animals ruthlessly being murdered as a direct result of your diet, but you're not even using the meat of the animals YOU kill? At least we're eating the animals we kill (and although we also contribute to the slaughter of animals during grain harvesting, keep in mind that we're not the ones with a moral qualm about it), not just leaving them to rot in a field somewhere. That makes you just as morally repugnant than any meat-eater any day. Not only that, but you're killing free-roaming animals, not animals that were raised for feed. Their bodies get mangled in the combine's machinery, bones crushed, and you have the audacity to point fingers at the meat industry for humanely punching a spike through a cow's neck? If you think that tofu burgers come at no cost to animals or the environment, guess again.
To even suggest that your meal is some how "guiltless" is absurd. The defense "at least we're not killing intentionally" is bullsh#t anyway. How is it not intentional if you KNOW that millions of animals die every year in combines during harvest? You expect me to believe that you somehow unintentionally pay money to buy products that support farmers that use combines to harvest their fields? Even if it was somehow unintentional, so what? That suddenly makes you innocent? I guess we should let drunk drivers off the hook too since they don't kill intentionally either, right? There's no way out of this one. The only option left for you dipshits is to buy some land, plant and pick your own crops. Impractical? Yeah, well, so is your stupid diet.
Even if combines aren't used to harvest your food, you think that buying fruits and vegetables (organic or otherwise) is any better? How do you think they get rid of bugs that eat crops in large fields? You think they just put up signs and ask parasites to politely go somewhere else? Actually, I wouldn't put that suggestion past you hippies. One of the methods they use to get rid of pests is to introduce a high level of predators for each particular prey, which wreaks all sorts of havoc on the natural balance of predator/prey populations--causing who knows what kind of damage to the environment. Oops, did I just expose you moral-elitists for being frauds? Damndest thing.

Actually, I don't consider Chili's "Guiltless Grill", vegetarian because last time I checked, a steak, is not a vegetable. LOL!!

So your entire comment's premise is a fabricated BS.

"Cayenne style" is me exposing you as a fraud and dum-dum.

Maybe try a vegetarian diet though. It is a fact that smarter people are vegetarians.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23...

Vegetarians are more intelligent, says study

"Frequently dismissed as cranks, their fussy eating habits tend to make them unpopular with dinner party hosts and guests alike.

But now it seems they may have the last laugh, with research showing vegetarians are more intelligent than their meat-eating friends."

Ta ta, dum dum.

[Cayenne]

Cayenne wrote:

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LOL! Great. Does that mean you will be enjoying vegetarian food. Chili's "Guiltless Grill" is not vegetarian! LMAO. Unless you consider fish, steak and chicken vegetarian. LOL.
You hunters are so dumb. LOL!
http://www.chilis.com/menu/default.asp...

Ahhh, so the 'hunters' judging me think that a vegetarian menu may include steak, chicken and fish.

Me thinks the saturate fat from their diet is clogging the blood flow to their brain.

Again: steak, fish and chicken are not vegetarian items, thus Chili's guiltless grill is not vegetarian. See how that works??

[Down your Throat]

Cayenne wrote:

<quoted text>
Actually, I don't consider Chili's "Guiltless Grill", vegetarian because last time I checked, a steak, is not a vegetable. LOL!!
So your entire comment's premise is a fabricated BS.
"Cayenne style" is me exposing you as a fraud and dum-dum.
Maybe try a vegetarian diet though. It is a fact that smarter people are vegetarians.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23...
Vegetarians are more intelligent, says study
"Frequently dismissed as cranks, their fussy eating habits tend to make them unpopular with dinner party hosts and guests alike.
But now it seems they may have the last laugh, with research showing vegetarians are more intelligent than their meat-eating friends."
Ta ta, dum dum.

Sorry Gal, just trying to be more like you :)

[Cayenne]

demented ferret wrote:

<quoted text> Hey I heard Paul McCartney is now a meat eating fiend. So much for that!

Wait a minute. Maybe you have it backwards, DYT. See, you said that Chili's guiltless grill was vegetarian even though it has steak, chicken and fish.

You must be thinking that meat-eating is eating tofu and vegetables.

Sorry 'bout that. Maybe a trip to the doctor and look into consuming less saturated fat. It's obviously clogging the blood flow to your noggin.

[Sly as a Fox]

Cayenne wrote:

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More gems of wisdom from the DS that stated that Chili's "Guiltless Grill" was vegetarian.
Incidentally, if anyone is *thinking* that these are your *original* thoughts, we should immediately tell them that you are too witless to have an original thought.
The person that wrote this gibberish is a fringe lunatic that simply tries to get his audience by being both deceitful, vile and contemptuous.
And actually, it's your chit that has been ruined! Chili's guiltless grill is anything but vegetarian, unless you consider steak, chicken and fish vegetarian.
Do you people ever stop to *think* about anything?
It's not just something vegetarians do. Try it. It sure as hell couldn't hurt, especially since the author considers a carne asada steak, vegetarian!
LMAO!
Oh, and just to help you out, because I feel sorry for you...
http://www.chilis.com/menu/default.asp...

You call his response gibberish? You are one brick shy of a load there sister,it's like the pot calling the kettle black! You and your ilk who make up less than half of one percent of the total population want everyone to bend to your life style. We as hunters are not forcing anyone to our life style and if you want to be a vegie, by all means be one, but try and force your life style on me and you better pack a LOT of veggies cause it will be a long fight!One you will lose! Only 2.8% of 304,059,724 are vegans you lose!

[Peta Kills Animals]

Cayenne wrote:

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Actually, I don't drink and beer smells, IMO. I also don't like the smell
of weed, nor do I partake. But I have told you that countless times before.
Why is your MO to incessantly accuse me of being a beer-drinking, pothead? Does it make yst |er resident Andrew Stringerarijuana.html

Pipsqueak? whatever.

what's with all of the hunting accident and poaching spam? Is it because you have absolutely no answer to the fact that you have supported a group that kills almost 99 % of the animals entrusted into their care?

uh yeah.

and yeah, you are the one who claimed to be a biker. So there you have it bikers love beer, pot, meth, prostitution, extortion and random acts of violence. You must be really into these things. Hence, you are a dirtbag biker.

[Peta Kills Animals]

Cayenne wrote:

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Please advise PETA that the 'guiltless grill' is really for those that have no conscience, since it serves...ummmm....steak, fish, and chicken.
So, will you be dining at Chili's today on a big tofu wiener?

please advise Peta that you will no longer be sending them donations. you know, on account of them getting off on snuffing out so many dogs and cats.

soy sux. bad fer u

[RetiredArmyNCO]

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>Being an avid sports fan, I watched "Mike and Mike in the morning" on ESPN this morning. They where broadcasting from the deck of the USS New York. It was an impressive sight that made me proud. The story of the construction is impressive. That is one ship that most assured has American pride and dedication built into every inch.

She is a beautiful ship. Not as large as I expected, but then again she is docked next to the USS Intrepid.

[RetiredArmyNCO]

Packers Rule wrote:

<quoted text>
I think what Medicinebow meant by the cookies statement is that she doesn't do anything that doesn't get her recognition and continuously toots her own horn to make herself feel special. Just my opinion. I can't speak for him but that is my thoughts on it.

No worries, I think I understood what he meant. And I would agree in your assessment as it mirrors what I think he meant.

[RetiredArmyNCO]

hiss of death wrote:

<quoted text>This is absolutely one of the best reasoned out posts I have read in a long time.

Apparently there are those who disagree. lol

[RetiredArmyNCO]

Medicinebow wrote:

<quoted text>
For some reason my response to this post didn't show up.
I don't recall her ever saying she bakes cookies for dying kids. If i'm wrong can you or her please point the post where she say's she bakes cookies for dying kids? If i'm wrong here I will certainly apologize because I would never criticize someone for such a kind gesture to dying kids.
My belief is that we were discussing foster children and how they can be helped.

I am not sure when I saw the posts relating, it is possible I may have missed the context. Either way, we are in agreement about motivations .

I do not remember posts about foster kids, guess I will have some reading to do soon.

Happy Hunting.

[Squach]

Wow! I've been out for a couple of days, just catching up. Wonder how many adoptable pets PeTA has killed since my last post?

[Sly as a fox]

Sly as a Fox wrote:

<quoted text>You call his response gibberish? You are one brick shy of a load there sister,it's like the pot calling the kettle black! You and your ilk who make up less than half of one percent of the total population want everyone to bend to your life style. We as hunters are not forcing anyone to our life style and if you want to be a vegie, by all means be one, but try and force your life style on me and you better pack a LOT of veggies cause it will be a long fight!One you will lose! Only 2.8% of 304,059,724 are vegans you lose!

Sorry, last sentence should have read, US population is 304,059,724 and of that only 2.8% consider themselves vegitarians and of that only 1.8% claim to never eat anything other than vegitables. The 1% will eat some dairy products.So only 1.8 of the total USA population are true veggies, that is a very insignificant number of people trying to tell the 98.2% of the population what they should eat!

[Squach]

Down your Throat wrote:

And finally PETA's response. Please note that they can justify some animal suffering.
From: PETA Correspondent <[e-mail]>
To: [e-mail]
Subject: response requested
Thank you for contacting PETA about animals killed during grain harvesting.
While it is true that animals are killed during harvesting, there is a lot
more to this story than meets the eye. First, we, and animals rights
advocates in general, are primarily concerned with preventing the suffering
of living animals. While millions of animals are killed each year in the
harvesting process, millions of animals suffer EVERY DAY in the meat
industry. BILLIONS of animals are tortured and slaughtered for food every
year in the United States alone. All of these animals being raised for meat
eat grain. In fact, they consume more than half of all of the grain produced
in this country. If the population of the United States were vegetarian, we
would actually require LESS grain, and thereby kill fewer animals during
harvesting. When you eat meat, not only are you contributing to the
suffering of the farmed animals, but you are also contributing to the
majority of the animals killed during harvesting.
If you have a moment, I'd like to know in which restaurant you saw this
"Guiltless Grill" menu section. Thanks again for your message. We appreciate
the opportunity to discuss this important issue.
Sincerely,
Cliff Kaminsky
PETA Correspondent

Let's see here. PeTA is trying to sell the idea that we would use less grain if the country went 100% vegetarian? This ain't rocket science. Let's just say for the sake of argument the the numbers supplied by PeTA are accurate. Animals raised for meat consume "over half of the grain produced in this country". We know that over 90% of the population eats meat. If 90% of the population suddenly goes vegan the demand on grain agriculture will increase by 90%. Animals are no longer eating the grain so the supply increases by 50%. That leaves a minimum increase of 40% in the demand on agriculture! They must be using the "new math" because the above statement contradicts itself.

[Squach]

Squach wrote:

<quoted text>Let's see here. PeTA is trying to sell the idea that we would use less grain if the country went 100% vegetarian? This ain't rocket science. Let's just say for the sake of argument the the numbers supplied by PeTA are accurate. Animals raised for meat consume "over half of the grain produced in this country". We know that over 90% of the population eats meat. If 90% of the population suddenly goes vegan the demand on grain agriculture will increase by 90%. Animals are no longer eating the grain so the supply increases by 50%. That leaves a minimum increase of 40% in the demand on agriculture! They must be using the "new math" because the above statement contradicts itself.

I do take issue with one of the numbers stated by the PeTA correspondent: THERE ARE BILLIONS AND BILLIONS (I like Carl Sagan) of creatures of the field killed every year. Hope everyone noted how he tried to play down the suffering and death caused by the harvest of grains and veggies.

[P Singer]

I don't eat meat. I've been a vegetarian since 1971. I've gradually become increasingly vegan. I am largely vegan but I'm a flexible vegan. I don't go to the supermarket and buy non-vegan stuff for myself. But when I'm traveling or going to other people's places I will be quite happy to eat vegetarian rather than vegan.[