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[Medicinebow]

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>After 10 or 12 straight hours of spam?
You need a breath of fresh air?LOL

Fresh air for a stagnant mind. I don't believe it will help.

Maybe she's trying to figure exactly how many animals PETA kills on average per day. Then again, simple math eludes her. After all, she told us that billions of animals were being held captive by the circus. She must have included fleas in the count.

[Packers Rule]

Medicinebow wrote:

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This one also claimed that "car hunting" was as dangerous as drunk driving. You'd think with the multitude of canned spam she's posted that she would have found some instances of just how dangerous that is.
2 years and she can't post ANYTHING to back her statement. Nothing.
She is a liar and a piss poor liar at that. She lacks English comprehension, math skills and honesty. She isn't offering much of anything except spam. She certainly can't think for herself. But, she gets a real boost in the misbelief that baking cookies is doing something for kids.
She's beyond clueless.
Not surprisingly she can't post anything resembling a viable no-kill deer management plan. It appears Va. needs to thin the herd from all the dead deer i'm seeing.
The traffic here is still horrible.

Amen. She still has yet to provide the proof that there are only 500 sturgeon left in the world too. All she can do is lie. Hope all is well in VA.

[Wolverine]

peteoo wrote:

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If we acted like you and hunting organizations acted like PETA we'd be sending the hunting organizations money to defend these
guys in court.
Any hunters here interested in helping these guys out by throwing some money their way for lawyers?

Nope. Hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for their criminal &/or negligent actions.

[Christmas Hunter]

Packers Rule wrote:

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She never donounced it when Tierra was talking about it and posting her youtube video about it. None of them did. Not doing that is the same as agreeing with it. Just like the pets that PETA murders every year. She puts her fingers in her ears and screams LALALALA so she doesn't hear about it.

She lives in a world of delusion, much like Tierra. I seem to remember Tierra claiming hunters having her videos removed from youtube when the whole time she was posting illegal content.(promoting illegal activity) Tierra and Mamapeta are cut from the same cloth. Their narrow little world never sees the light of the real world. They have become so consumed by their cause that there is no such thing as a moral limit in the advancement of their cause.

[Packers Rule]

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>She lives in a world of delusion, much like Tierra. I seem to remember Tierra claiming hunters having her videos removed from youtube when the whole time she was posting illegal content.(promoting illegal activity) Tierra and Mamapeta are cut from the same cloth. Their narrow little world never sees the light of the real world. They have become so consumed by their cause that there is no such thing as a moral limit in the advancement of their cause.

I believe you are right on the mark. They would do anything, are capable of anything. You can't be for the animals and follow PETA at the same time. It doesn't work. Peta kills animals, alot of them, and says it is ok. What gives them the right to kill healthy dogs and cats just because they think it is right and for us not to hunt for our food. Killing is killing no matter who does it.

[Christmas Hunter]

Medicinebow wrote:

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Fresh air for a stagnant mind. I don't believe it will help.
Maybe she's trying to figure exactly how many animals PETA kills on average per day. Then again, simple math eludes her. After all, she told us that billions of animals were being held captive by the circus. She must have included fleas in the count.

AAAH, It all makes sense now.
I hadn't considered the fleas.LOL

[RetiredArmyNCO]

Cayenne wrote:

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Are you talking to me? Or are you talking to the gang of hunters on the forum?

I was speaking to all, if you read the context of what I posted you could understand that. All the posts show the actions of a few among many. How can one condemn an entire group based on the actions of a few? If we condemn one group, then we must condemn all, wouldn’t you agree?

Cayenne wrote:

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Oh, wise one, please look into the hearts of all the hunter criminals and tell us their intent, that while they were hunting illegally, or by lying about hunting illegally, or lying about hunting accidents, or by fleeing the scene of illegally killing a person, wild animal, pet or child, that these hunter-criminals were not attempting to further their hunting agenda.

I understand the context of what you wrote, and it exposes your ignorance. Look at your statement, how it is posed and look at how I posed my statements and questions.
Illegally hunting, not a hunter, a poacher. Hunting accidents, key word, accidents. Add any activity before the word accident, and they all apply equally. Fleeing the scene of a crime, apply any context of any activity, again, same result.

Furthering their agendas? No, the poachers were not furthering the agenda of hunting, they were committing a crime. Does someone in a car who flees the scene of an accident do so to further the agenda of driving?
You didn’t answer to the AR’s who have been using violence and the threat of violence, is this approval of their methodology? I stated before that the ones who do so are the minority of the movement.

Cayenne wrote:

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Are you saying there aren't too many hunting accidents? Or more importantly, hunting crimes? So that guy that blew the head off a cancer survivor's little puppy dog and then fleeing the scene is an aberration?

Did I make the assertion or otherwise allude that there were too few incidents or accidents? No, but using your same logic your question would seem to support that in all of the activities people pursue that there aren’t too many accidents or crimes. Just one accident, incident or crime is one too many, regardless of the pursuit.

The individual who allegedly killed the canine,(allegedly because I did not see where he was convicted, until conviction all is alleged regardless of the evidence in our judicial system), is so wrought with emotion over fact that the true nature of the crime is dismissed, this actually is a disservice on your part to do so. Does it matter that the animal was a puppy? Or that the owner was a cancer survivor? Wouldn’t be just as wrong if the animal was a hunter’s older dog? I do not know the mental state of the individual who allegedly committed the crime, do you? Can you determine if it was or was not part of his normal habits to do such a thing? Do you have any evidence of his prior interactions and the courses of actions he took under similar circumstances?

Cayenne wrote:

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Oh come on! Surely you can agree that the hunters that break laws are fleeing the scene of the crimes.

Would you agree that AR’s who place bombs, mail bombs, commit arson and make physical threats against people and their children as just as much a criminal as you feel that poachers are? Or because of the cause they pursue do you feel they are excused because the end justifies the means?

I doubt you will answer the questions, but I would expect you to make more unfounded statements or just ignore what I have written here, but your actions speak for your commitment and abilities.

[Wolverine]

Medicinebow wrote:

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Fresh air for a stagnant mind. I don't believe it will help.
Maybe she's trying to figure exactly how many animals PETA kills on average per day. Then again, simple math eludes her. After all, she told us that billions of animals were being held captive by the circus. She must have included fleas in the count.

What she needs is a flush like the Aegean Stables got.

[Wolverine]

Christmas Hunter wrote:

<quoted text>She lives in a world of delusion, much like Tierra. I seem to remember Tierra claiming hunters having her videos removed from youtube when the whole time she was posting illegal content.(promoting illegal activity) Tierra and Mamapeta are cut from the same cloth. Their narrow little world never sees the light of the real world. They have become so consumed by their cause that there is no such thing as a moral limit in the advancement of their cause.

Liberal-progressives believe in relativism & are morally bankrupt. They see everything in shades of gray, unlike normal people who see black & white.

[RetiredArmyNCO]

Medicinebow wrote:

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This one also claimed that "car hunting" was as dangerous as drunk driving. You'd think with the multitude of canned spam she's posted that she would have found some instances of just how dangerous that is.

I have never hunted cars, are they good to eat?

Medicinebow wrote:

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2 years and she can't post ANYTHING to back her statement. Nothing.
She is a liar and a piss poor liar at that. She lacks English comprehension, math skills and honesty. She isn't offering much of anything except spam. She certainly can't think for herself. But, she gets a real boost in the misbelief that baking cookies is doing something for kids.

For all the faults you identify, I do not find fault in the act of baking cookies for dying kids. Regardless of how we feel about her beliefs and her attempts to stop science and to stop hunting, an act of as simple as offering something to children shouldn’t be belittled. My opinion of course. The only place I could find fault is if her actions are the result of personal gain or enjoyment and not true compassion.

Medicinebow wrote:

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She's beyond clueless.
Not surprisingly she can't post anything resembling a viable no-kill deer management plan. It appears Va. needs to thin the herd from all the dead deer i'm seeing.
The traffic here is still horrible.

I hate driving in your area, but not as bad as Manhattan has been this week. If it weren’t for the equipment I need for the job, I would take the trains to the sites. The other day I saw a raccoon cross Madison Ave by Central Park. Guess he had some shopping to do. It is amazing the amount of wildlife that thrives in the city, a testament to their ability to adapt. Over in NJ and on Long Island, I have seen many dead deer and other assorted animals on the roads.

BTW, I was able to see the USS New York commissioned, a very proud moment for the New Yorkers here and the Nation as a whole. I was lucky to be here for it.

[Christmas Hunter]

RetiredArmyNCO wrote:

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BTW, I was able to see the USS New York commissioned, a very proud moment for the New Yorkers here and the Nation as a whole. I was lucky to be here for it.

Being an avid sports fan, I watched "Mike and Mike in the morning" on ESPN this morning. They where broadcasting from the deck of the USS New York. It was an impressive sight that made me proud. The story of the construction is impressive. That is one ship that most assured has American pride and dedication built into every inch.

[Packers Rule]

RetiredArmyNCO wrote:

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I have never hunted cars, are they good to eat?
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For all the faults you identify, I do not find fault in the act of baking cookies for dying kids. Regardless of how we feel about her beliefs and her attempts to stop science and to stop hunting, an act of as simple as offering something to children shouldn’t be belittled. My opinion of course. The only place I could find fault is if her actions are the result of personal gain or enjoyment and not true compassion.
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I hate driving in your area, but not as bad as Manhattan has been this week. If it weren’t for the equipment I need for the job, I would take the trains to the sites. The other day I saw a raccoon cross Madison Ave by Central Park. Guess he had some shopping to do. It is amazing the amount of wildlife that thrives in the city, a testament to their ability to adapt. Over in NJ and on Long Island, I have seen many dead deer and other assorted animals on the roads.
BTW, I was able to see the USS New York commissioned, a very proud moment for the New Yorkers here and the Nation as a whole. I was lucky to be here for it.

I think what Medicinebow meant by the cookies statement is that she doesn't do anything that doesn't get her recognition and continuously toots her own horn to make herself feel special. Just my opinion. I can't speak for him but that is my thoughts on it.

[nillibean]

What is with all this spam Mamasita is putting on this forum. Doesnt seem her style. PETA must be taking over.

[Peta Kills Animals]

Cayenne wrote:

Please hunters, don't exacerbate the problem of endangering human lives, by drinking and doping...while hunting.
Charges: Hunter who killed son had beer, pot in his system
"The Belle Plaine man who fatally shot his 8-year-old son in the chest last month while turkey hunild for a turkey.

oh silly mamasita it's dirtbag bikers like yourself that love the beer and hooch!

[Peta Kills Animals]

nillibean wrote:

What is with all this spam Mamasita is putting on this forum. Doesnt seem her style. PETA must be taking over.

pure stinking desperation. she's been had. she knows it. she knows Peta is guilty of everything we've reported. what else is she going to do? admit that she's been wrong?

[Bemenow]

Packers Rule wrote:

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She never donounced it when Tierra was talking about it and posting her youtube video about it. None of them did. Not doing that is the same as agreeing with it. Just like the pets that PETA murders every year. She puts her fingers in her ears and screams LALALALA so she doesn't hear about it.

Absolutly right there Packers ! Seeing as a majority ( if there is one) of the ArA live here in NY....we have new rules this hunting season. Got new climbing tree stands, that DO NOT stay in the woods after hunting. I will admit, its a pain in the butt. They make too much noise on the way in, and out in my opinion. There are 4 permanant stands where we are as well, all 4 of wich I have been in, in past years. None seem to have been tampered with, but I wont take the chance. The only advantage I have here, is if one of them ever is tampered with, I know exactly where to send the LEO !

[hiss of death]

RetiredArmyNCO wrote:

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I was speaking to all, if you read the context of what I posted you could understand that. All the posts show the actions of a few among many. How can one condemn an entire group based on the actions of a few? If we condemn one group, then we must condemn all, wouldn’t you agree?
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I understand the context of what you wrote, and it exposes your ignorance. Look at your statement, how it is posed and look at how I posed my statements and questions.
Illegally hunting, not a hunter, a poacher. Hunting accidents, key word, accidents. Add any activity before the word accident, and they all apply equally. Fleeing the scene of a crime, apply any context of any activity, again, same result.
Furthering their agendas? No, the poachers were not furthering the agenda of hunting, they were committing a crime. Does someone in a car who flees the scene of an accident do so to further the agenda of driving?
You didn’t answer to the AR’s who have been using violence and the threat of violence, is this approval of their methodology? I stated before that the ones who do so are the minority of the movement.
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Did I make the assertion or otherwise allude that there were too few incidents or accidents? No, but using your same logic your question would seem to support that in all of the activities people pursue that there aren’t too many accidents or crimes. Just one accident, incident or crime is one too many, regardless of the pursuit.
The individual who allegedly killed the canine,(allegedly because I did not see where he was convicted, until conviction all is alleged regardless of the evidence in our judicial system), is so wrought with emotion over fact that the true nature of the crime is dismissed, this actually is a disservice on your part to do so. Does it matter that the animal was a puppy? Or that the owner was a cancer survivor? Wouldn’t be just as wrong if the animal was a hunter’s older dog? I do not know the mental state of the individual who allegedly committed the crime, do you? Can you determine if it was or was not part of his normal habits to do such a thing? Do you have any evidence of his prior interactions and the courses of actions he took under similar circumstances?
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Would you agree that AR’s who place bombs, mail bombs, commit arson and make physical threats against people and their children as just as much a criminal as you feel that poachers are? Or because of the cause they pursue do you feel they are excused because the end justifies the means?
I doubt you will answer the questions, but I would expect you to make more unfounded statements or just ignore what I have written here, but your actions speak for your commitment and abilities.

This is absolutely one of the best reasoned out posts I have read in a long time.

[Donnie Mac Leod]

http://www.nokillnow.com/PETAIngridNewkirkRes...

Note: We are animal advocates and were PETA members until the facts stated below were unveiled. Read more about NoKillNow!

We do not relish publicly criticizing an organization striving to help animals. BUT, when one has engaged in a pattern of conduct so egregious as to threaten the credibility of the entire animal rights community, a strident disapprobation is not only warranted, it is mandated.

More importantly, when an animal 'defender' is in fact a lethal perpetrator killing innocent animals, they must be stopped! It is with grave disappointment that we call for Ingrid Newkirk's resignation. We believe an investigation is warranted to determine if Newkirk committed any criminal acts resulting in animal deaths. If she did, she should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, the same as any other animal abuser. PETA wouldn't have it any other way, right? 1 2 3 4 5 INGRID NEWKIRK PETA

If you think this is about 'one' incident, read on. It's about a history of deception, secrets and mass killing stretching decades under Newkirk's command.

[Donnie Mac Leod]

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petakillsanim... #

PETA's Dirty Secret

Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.

PETA kills animals. By the thousands.

From July 1998 through the end of 2005, PETA killed over 14,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 90 percent of the animals it took in during 2005 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

On its 2002 federal income-tax return, PETA claimed a $9,370 write-off for a giant walk-in freezer, the kind most people use as a meat locker or for ice-cream storage. But animal-rights activists don't eat meat or dairy foods. So far, the group hasn't confirmed the obvious -- that it's using the appliance to store the bodies of its victims.

In 2000, when the Associated Press first noted PETA's Kervorkian-esque tendencies, PETA president Ingrid Newkirk complained that actually taking care of animals costs more than killing them. "We could become a no-kill shelter immediately," she admitted.

PETA kills animals. Because it has other financial priorities.

PETA raked in nearly $29 million last year in income, much of it raised from pet owners who think their donations actually help animals. Instead, the group spends huge sums on programs equating people who eat chicken with Nazis, scaring young children away from drinking milk, recruiting children into the radical animal-rights lifestyle, and intimidating businessmen and their families in their own neighborhoods. PETA has also spent tens of thousands of dollars defending arsonists and other violent extremists.

PETA claims it engages in outrageous media-seeking stunts "for the animals." But which animals? Carping about the value of future two-piece dinners while administering lethal injections to puppies and kittens isn't ethical. It's hypocritical -- with a death toll that PETA would protest if it weren't their own doing.

[Donnie Mac Leod]

7 Things You Didn't Know About PETA
http://www.petakillsanimals.com/article_detai...
1) According to government documents, PETA employees have killed more than 19,200 dogs, cats, puppies, and kittens since 1998. This behavior continues despite PETA’s moralizing about the “unethical” treatment of animals by farmers, scientists, restaurant owners, circuses, hunters, fishermen, zookeepers, and countless other Americans. PETA puts to death over 90 percent of the animals it accepts from members of the public who expect the group to make a reasonable attempt to find them adoptive homes. PETA holds absolutely no open-adoption shelter hours at its Norfolk, VA headquarters, choosing instead to spend part of its $32 million annual income on a contract with a crematory service to periodically empty hundreds of animal bodies from its large walk-in freezer.
2) PETA president and co-founder Ingrid Newkirk has described her group’s overall goal as “total animal liberation.” This means the complete abolition of meat, milk, cheese, eggs, honey, zoos, aquariums, circuses, wool, leather, fur, silk, hunting, fishing, and pet ownership. In a 2003 profile of Newkirk in The New Yorker, author Michael Specter wrote that Newkirk has had at least one seeing-eye dog taken away from its blind owner. PETA is also against all medical research that requires the use of animals, including research aimed at curing AIDS and cancer.
3) PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to Rodney Coronado, an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) serial arsonist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing memorandum, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich has also told an animal rights convention that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation,” adding,“Hallelujah to the people who are willing to do it.”