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Co 7 Member
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Clayton D wrote: <quoted text> What written quote are you talking about?The ESTIMATE that the Fire Chief received was long after the membership voted and approved buying this vehicle.There NEVER was an agreed upon written quote for painting this vehicle. Well then I'm misinformed. I was under the impression the original quote from Shivleys included the paint quote.
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Just me
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All over a frickin paint job! Dont you all have anything better to worry about in a FD then a paint job ?
You wonder why people talk about your company. The artical and all the posts heres your sighn!
Grandma calls 911 because Grandpa is having chest pains .. You show up in a vehicle that dosent have the paint job your dept wants to have, Grandma is going ot refuse treatment because the vehicle isent the the color its suppose to be ? I dont think so! You people have way to much time on your hands to worry about the petty stuff as the color of a vehicle.
Why not do a fundraiser get the money you n eed take it whoever to the next to the cheapest and be happy!
So shivelys backed out of it who cares, its not like they was going to paint it for FREE! figure out where you can gather the rest of your money to get done whatever it is you want done to it and move on it life! Garsh life is to short to worry about a paint job you coudl get done cheaper! Yes I do know how much it takes to run a FD, Yes I understand money dosent grow on trees, Yes I understand people do volunteer their time @ the FD , Yes I understand that you guys/ladies dont get enough credit for what you do, Yes I understand it takes time from your loved ones to go on the Fire/EMS calls, Yes I understand you have alot of time tied up in trianing/ Yes I understand you onlyget a hand full of people to do this or that! You see I understand all of it because I have friends and family in a FD, not fayettville but in a FD .. I thank you all for what you do! Because you do all the above you feel you can just return a vehicle ? Well how are you any better then Joe Smo accross the street who just bought a new car at Shivelys ?
How are you a non profit orginzations ? You charged someone almost $300 from Cburg Hospitol to his hom not even 4 miles! there was profit made right there a BIG profit!
As far as Shivelys making that comment about to much for you.. that is very hard for me to beleave. Why would they even say something like that when they are most likely working on % of the sale ?
I got a vehicle from them not to long ago I didnt have a problem with the sales person or the person who done the paper work . They called us every other week to make sure we was happy with the vehicle we purchases.
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My 2 Cents
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OK, personal vendettas aside: FVFD wanted to purchase a vechicle painted a certain color. Shively Motors gave them a quote made up of 2 parts.#1 the price of the vehicle and #2 the price of the paint job resulting in a NET COST to the department. Based on that information, it was voted on to purchase the vehicle. After FVFD purchased the vehicle, they were informed by Shively Motors that they no longer would honor the quote for the paint job. For them to get it painted somewhere else would result in the NET COST being signifcantly higher than previoulsy quoted NET COSTS from other car dealerships. FVFD just wants Shively Motors to honor their original quote or if they do not want to paint it themselves, they want Shively Motors to make up the difference in price to have it painted somewhere else which is more than reasonable. It is no different than if you bought a vehicle from them and as part of the deal they were to install running boards or pin stripes and when you took it in they said "Sorry we changed our minds, we are not doing it." I think Shively Motors should be reported to the Better Business Bureau and a formal complaint should be issued with Chrysler Motors.
As for the turmoil at the Fire Dept, it is a shame that members who are suppose the SERVE and PROTECT their COMMUNITY can't put personal issues aside and work together. You should vote on an issue based on what you really think is right or wrong, you should never vote just to be vindictive.
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a firepolice in the area
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Excuse me,
Paint jobs are EXTREMELY important! These emergency personell MUST be seen by oncoming pedestrians and other vehicles. They MUST have specific types of paint and detailing for your saftey and theirs.
Right nopw it doesn't seem like a personal issue, it is a saftey issue. They folks are PROTECTING and SERVING their COMMUNITY and several others when needed.
Get a grip and thank them! No, I am NOT a member, although perhaps I may just become an honorary member to show my support, though.
Some of you other folks might try to get up off you lazy tushes and help out your local FD in some way!
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Way Outsider Looking In
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"a firepolice in the area", stick to fire policing and don't talk about things you have no clue about. The NFPA has no standard's for fire apparatus color. They do have standards for emergency lighting and audible devices which are seen and heard by pedestrians and other vehicles. Paint has nothing to do with it. With all the studies done in the 30 past years no scientist can say Slime Lime has better visibility than red. If there was a national standard then all fire equipment would be that color and not the orange & white, kelly green & white, yellow & black, blue & white, red & white, red & black, red & cream that the various fire departments in the Chambersburg and Shippensburg Area are currently running. The bottom line is the once great Fayetteville Fire Department has been run into the ground by the administrative officers and board of directors for the past two years and the good citizens of Fayetteville are being made to pay for it. My parents lives in Fayetteville's first due and I am glad that Mont Alto and New Franklin are close by because I know they will show up and do a good job fighting a fire in their house. Oh ya I was a volunteer firefighter in the area before I left the area to serve my country and I am volunteering with my time and services with an other Fire Department in another state.
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just me
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Red Headed Step Child wrote: <quoted text>
I find it very hard to beleive that they told you you couldn't afford it. Maybe when they said you couldn't get financed and thats what you heard? Thats called selective hearing. I have heard them say this before!!!!!!!! Funny how someone is deleting all the things being said about Shivleys here... hmmm
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Neutral
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Regardless of what anyone thinks of either party, it's a business transaction. I thank God for firefighters and medics, and Shively's is a very reputable business. Does anyone honestly think a local business would risk the bad publicity of filing suit if the claim had no merit? The bad PR would cost ultimately cost a lot more than the dollars of the original transaction.
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Co 7 Member
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Way Outsider Looking In wrote: "a firepolice in the area", stick to fire policing and don't talk about things you have no clue about. The NFPA has no standard's for fire apparatus color. They do have standards for emergency lighting and audible devices which are seen and heard by pedestrians and other vehicles. Paint has nothing to do with it. With all the studies done in the 30 past years no scientist can say Slime Lime has better visibility than red. If there was a national standard then all fire equipment would be that color and not the orange & white, kelly green & white, yellow & black, blue & white, red & white, red & black, red & cream that the various fire departments in the Chambersburg and Shippensburg Area are currently running. The bottom line is the once great Fayetteville Fire Department has been run into the ground by the administrative officers and board of directors for the past two years and the good citizens of Fayetteville are being made to pay for it. My parents lives in Fayetteville's first due and I am glad that Mont Alto and New Franklin are close by because I know they will show up and do a good job fighting a fire in their house. Oh ya I was a volunteer firefighter in the area before I left the area to serve my country and I am volunteering with my time and services with an other Fire Department in another state. First don't be condescending to Fire Police. They are probably the most under-thanked part of ANY Fire Dept. yet they run calls lasting MUCH longer (on avg) than that of a Fire call. Not only that but they help with Parades, Carnivals, etc. in the community. With all this support the Fire Police give our community, they are still bottom-feeders when it comes to seeing any Company money for Fire Police needs. Think Co. 7 will get a traffic vehicle anytime soon? Hah! Next, you're wrong regarding no studies regarding lime versus red. If you've attended any Fire classes (or Fire Police Classes), or read into PennDot regulations you'll see they are outlawing ALL orange vests and REQUIRING lime green (ANSI 3 for HW traffic) as lime green is said to be much better for visibly. Also cones/flares/flash-lights MUST be red. This distinguishes a Vol. on the scene from a traffic cone or other warning/directional device. A recommendation (albeit, not a law) requests emergency apparatus to turn off their warning lights while on scene (especially at night) because drivers are drawn to the flashing strobes, etc. rather than to the Fire Fighter/Fire Police that are walking in front of them directing traffic, etc.
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overthehill
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I had to answer the post from Eileen. I don't know what Fayetteville you're listening to on the scanner, but it sure isn't Fayetteville, Franklin County. If the very few remaining members can get one piece of equipment out, thats about all you are going to get out of this station. They normally go responding with a staffing of two. That is the driver and one other person. And, if you look real close, that other person is probably a junior member, who isn't even allowed to legally ride on the apparatus in Pa. The morale, pride, and brotherhood at the FVFD, has been broken down to a low that no volunteer fire service should have to see. I laugh to myself, reading the posts on this site, by people that have no clue, of what has been happening at Fayetteville since the Bumbaugh boys took over. As it was posted on another site, the only thing to remain constant at FVFD, is the turmoil created by Mark and Chuck Bumbaugh. Phone calls were made to a lot of older, retired members, coaxing them to come back. I would estimate twenty people returned, to help the once great Fayetteville return to it's glory. Now, a year later, these older members have left, shaking their heads in disgust. Talk to any older member, who returned, and left. They will tell you the problem lies with the administration. There is one way, or the highway. If you do not dance to the president's music, you will not be recognized on the meeting room floor. The department follows Roberts Rules of Order for a meeting. But try making a motion, that president Bumbaugh does not like. I.ve seen motions made, seconded, and the president, will NOT call for a vote, because he doesn't want the motion to be passed. Question him, in front of the entire membership at a meeting, and he'll simply say, "I refuse to entertain the motion", even though the motion has been seconded, and the membership is waiting to vote on the motion. And don't think for one minute, that just because brother Chuck Bumbaugh is no longer in office, doesn't mean he is no longer in power. Just ask some of the members, who have been called into the president's office, and questioned by the brothers about an action, the unsuspecting member may have made. Chuck just stirred up the hatred and discontent, then resigned his office, when the pressure got to be too much. At the last department meeting, president Mark welcomed back an older past president, then when the past president questioned actions of the executive board, and corrected Mark, the poop hit the fan, After the meeting, President Mark went to this past president and told him he had no right to correct him and make a fool of him in front of the membership. I could go on and on, about the problems that the Bumbaugh's have created. The Shively motors lawsuit is finally bring the ugly side of this mess out to the public.
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Quiet woman
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Man...and people think WOMEN are witchey!!
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Member
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My 2 Cents wrote: OK, personal vendettas aside: FVFD wanted to purchase a vechicle painted a certain color. Shively Motors gave them a quote made up of 2 parts.#1 the price of the vehicle and #2 the price of the paint job resulting in a NET COST to the department. Based on that information, it was voted on to purchase the vehicle. After FVFD purchased the vehicle, they were informed by Shively Motors that they no longer would honor the quote for the paint job. For them to get it painted somewhere else would result in the NET COST being signifcantly higher than previoulsy quoted NET COSTS from other car dealerships. FVFD just wants Shively Motors to honor their original quote or if they do not want to paint it themselves, they want Shively Motors to make up the difference in price to have it painted somewhere else which is more than reasonable. It is no different than if you bought a vehicle from them and as part of the deal they were to install running boards or pin stripes and when you took it in they said "Sorry we changed our minds, we are not doing it." I think Shively Motors should be reported to the Better Business Bureau and a formal complaint should be issued with Chrysler Motors.
As for the turmoil at the Fire Dept, it is a shame that members who are suppose the SERVE and PROTECT their COMMUNITY can't put personal issues aside and work together. You should vote on an issue based on what you really think is right or wrong, you should never vote just to be vindictive. I dont know where you are getting your info but you coulnt be farther from the truth.There was never two parts to anything with Shivelys price.
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Live In
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overthehill wrote: I had to answer the post from Eileen. I don't know what Fayetteville you're listening to on the scanner, but it sure isn't Fayetteville, Franklin County. If the very few remaining members can get one piece of equipment out, thats about all you are going to get out of this station. They normally go responding with a staffing of two. That is the driver and one other person. And, if you look real close, that other person is probably a junior member, who isn't even allowed to legally ride on the apparatus in Pa. The morale, pride, and brotherhood at the FVFD, has been broken down to a low that no volunteer fire service should have to see. I laugh to myself, reading the posts on this site, by people that have no clue, of what has been happening at Fayetteville since the Bumbaugh boys took over. As it was posted on another site, the only thing to remain constant at FVFD, is the turmoil created by Mark and Chuck Bumbaugh. Phone calls were made to a lot of older, retired members, coaxing them to come back. I would estimate twenty people returned, to help the once great Fayetteville return to it's glory. Now, a year later, these older members have left, shaking their heads in disgust. Talk to any older member, who returned, and left. They will tell you the problem lies with the administration. There is one way, or the highway. If you do not dance to the president's music, you will not be recognized on the meeting room floor. The department follows Roberts Rules of Order for a meeting. But try making a motion, that president Bumbaugh does not like. I.ve seen motions made, seconded, and the president, will NOT call for a vote, because he doesn't want the motion to be passed. Question him, in front of the entire membership at a meeting, and he'll simply say, "I refuse to entertain the motion", even though the motion has been seconded, and the membership is waiting to vote on the motion. And don't think for one minute, that just because brother Chuck Bumbaugh is no longer in office, doesn't mean he is no longer in power. Just ask some of the members, who have been called into the president's office, and questioned by the brothers about an action, the unsuspecting member may have made. Chuck just stirred up the hatred and discontent, then resigned his office, when the pressure got to be too much. At the last department meeting, president Mark welcomed back an older past president, then when the past president questioned actions of the executive board, and corrected Mark, the poop hit the fan, After the meeting, President Mark went to this past president and told him he had no right to correct him and make a fool of him in front of the membership. I could go on and on, about the problems that the Bumbaugh's have created. The Shively motors lawsuit is finally bring the ugly side of this mess out to the public. AMEN!!!
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A member of Co 7
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overthehill wrote: I had to answer the post from Eileen. I don't know what Fayetteville you're listening to on the scanner, but it sure isn't Fayetteville, Franklin County. If the very few remaining members can get one piece of equipment out, thats about all you are going to get out of this station. They normally go responding with a staffing of two. That is the driver and one other person. And, if you look real close, that other person is probably a junior member, who isn't even allowed to legally ride on the apparatus in Pa. The morale, pride, and brotherhood at the FVFD, has been broken down to a low that no volunteer fire service should have to see. I laugh to myself, reading the posts on this site, by people that have no clue, of what has been happening at Fayetteville since the Bumbaugh boys took over. As it was posted on another site, the only thing to remain constant at FVFD, is the turmoil created by Mark and Chuck Bumbaugh. Phone calls were made to a lot of older, retired members, coaxing them to come back. I would estimate twenty people returned, to help the once great Fayetteville return to it's glory. Now, a year later, these older members have left, shaking their heads in disgust. Talk to any older member, who returned, and left. They will tell you the problem lies with the administration. There is one way, or the highway. If you do not dance to the president's music, you will not be recognized on the meeting room floor. The department follows Roberts Rules of Order for a meeting. But try making a motion, that president Bumbaugh does not like. I.ve seen motions made, seconded, and the president, will NOT call for a vote, because he doesn't want the motion to be passed. Question him, in front of the entire membership at a meeting, and he'll simply say, "I refuse to entertain the motion", even though the motion has been seconded, and the membership is waiting to vote on the motion. And don't think for one minute, that just because brother Chuck Bumbaugh is no longer in office, doesn't mean he is no longer in power. Just ask some of the members, who have been called into the president's office, and questioned by the brothers about an action, the unsuspecting member may have made. Chuck just stirred up the hatred and discontent, then resigned his office, when the pressure got to be too much. At the last department meeting, president Mark welcomed back an older past president, then when the past president questioned actions of the executive board, and corrected Mark, the poop hit the fan, After the meeting, President Mark went to this past president and told him he had no right to correct him and make a fool of him in front of the membership. I could go on and on, about the problems that the Bumbaugh's have created. The Shively motors lawsuit is finally bring the ugly side of this mess out to the public. OK, under the by-laws (I don't have them in front of me) can't the membership vote termination of the president at a company meeting (especially for such actions)? If so, then why isn't this motion entertained at the next meeting (May 1st 7pm). If enough members agree it'll pass, or at least GO ON RECORD which will create an official paper trail of such motions brought upon the President. That seems like the mature and wise way to handle this problem. Bickering over the President and his actions on a online forum with complete (well almost complete) anonymity isn't. PS- How long is his term?
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A member of Co 7
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Member wrote: <quoted text>I dont know where you are getting your info but you coulnt be farther from the truth.There was never two parts to anything with Shivelys price. Wasn't the quote including paint presented by the Member at Large who presented the quote(s) 2 company meetings ago? Or was his quote JUST for the Nitro? I don't remember personally.
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Sunshine
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Just me wrote: How are you a non profit orginzations ? You charged someone almost $300 from Cburg Hospitol to his hom not even 4 miles! there was profit made right there a BIG profit! Obivously you dont know how a business works. You need to take everything in considerdation about 300 dollars. Payment of personnel, workers comp and benefits, ambulance/wheelchair vehicles maintnenace and upkeep. New Ambulances run about 150 to 200k, Wheelchair Vans 40-60k, Insurance costs, Equipment Costs. And who can forget Gas/Diesel Costs these days. At a whopping 4 bucks a gallon.
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A Fire Policemans Wife
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Co 7 Member,
Will you come to our department?
We need someone like you who understands what our FPs do!
(Our FPs and your FPs work great together; but I not with the department you think I'm from.)
Wayoutsider looking in,
I was refering to the reflectablilty issues.
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Way Outsider Looking In
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Co 7 Member wrote: <quoted text>
First don't be condescending to Fire Police. They are probably the most under-thanked part of ANY Fire Dept. yet they run calls lasting MUCH longer (on avg) than that of a Fire call. Not only that but they help with Parades, Carnivals, etc. in the community. With all this support the Fire Police give our community, they are still bottom-feeders when it comes to seeing any Company money for Fire Police needs. Think Co. 7 will get a traffic vehicle anytime soon? Hah!
Next, you're wrong regarding no studies regarding lime versus red. If you've attended any Fire classes (or Fire Police Classes), or read into PennDot regulations you'll see they are outlawing ALL orange vests and REQUIRING lime green (ANSI 3 for HW traffic) as lime green is said to be much better for visibly. Also cones/flares/flash-lights MUST be red. This distinguishes a Vol. on the scene from a traffic cone or other warning/directional device.
A recommendation (albeit, not a law) requests emergency apparatus to turn off their warning lights while on scene (especially at night) because drivers are drawn to the flashing strobes, etc. rather than to the Fire Fighter/Fire Police that are walking in front of them directing traffic, etc. First of all I was not being condescending to Fire Police, Some of my best friends are fire police and I know they have a thankless job. Just because CO 7 treats their fire police like bottom feeders doesn't mean all fire departments in the area do. I know of a few that don't.
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Way Outsider Looking In
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A Fire Policemans Wife wrote: Co 7 Member,
Will you come to our department?
We need someone like you who understands what our FPs do!
(Our FPs and your FPs work great together; but I not with the department you think I'm from.)
Wayoutsider looking in,
I was referring to the reflectablilty issues. Reflectability, the lime green paint and white paint on Co 7's vehicles are not reflective. Now the white scotchlight letters, numbers, and stripes are reflective. With the blue Nitro put Scotchlight stripes and big Medic 7 in Scotchlight plus for added visibility and reflectability add chevrons like Squad 7!!!
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Co 7 Member
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A Fire Policemans Wife wrote: Co 7 Member,
Will you come to our department?
We need someone like you who understands what our FPs do!
(Our FPs and your FPs work great together; but I not with the department you think I'm from.)
Wayoutsider looking in,
I was refering to the reflectablilty issues. I have an idea who you are actually (or your dept. at least). I believe we have talked in the past but not on here.
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Co 7 Member
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Way Outsider Looking In wrote: <quoted text>
First of all I was not being condescending to Fire Police, Some of my best friends are fire police and I know they have a thankless job. Just because CO 7 treats their fire police like bottom feeders doesn't mean all fire departments in the area do. I know of a few that don't. My comment wasn't directed just at Co. 7. I do think all (ok most) departments in Franklin County under-appreciate Fire Police. I'm not "in the know" regarding how Co. 7 treats Fire Police specifically but I'm pretty sure we're better than some of the others. I've heard horror stories from Departments/Companies in the area (and no I won't name names) regarding Fire Police treatment.
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