Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#582 Jul 5, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Unfortunately we live in a world of continuing global terrorist threats. And we are probably the most hated nation on the globe (Imho). That mandates monitoring every possible venue to detect those threats.
I find the whole deal no more intrusive than the more rigid TSA checks at the airport.
If it requires that then that's fine but it should be done legally and with adequate oversight and specified prison sentences for people who abuse it. When they were proposing the background check law, it included a provision for up to 15 years in prison for somebody using it other than it's stated purpose. We need this very same dire consequences for those who abuse techno-monitoring. Not at all unreasonable & necessary to curb abuse.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#583 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Unfortunately we live in a world of continuing global terrorist threats. And we are probably the most hated nation on the globe (Imho). That mandates monitoring every possible venue to detect those threats.
I find the whole deal no more intrusive than the more rigid TSA checks at the airport.
Sure you p o s.Now go back drinking koolaid,You need to wash your mouth,its still got the brown ring from obamas butt.

“I just post facts.”

Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#584 Jul 6, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
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If it requires that then that's fine but it should be done legally and with adequate oversight and specified prison sentences for people who abuse it. When they were proposing the background check law, it included a provision for up to 15 years in prison for somebody using it other than it's stated purpose. We need this very same dire consequences for those who abuse techno-monitoring. Not at all unreasonable & necessary to curb abuse.
It is required. For safety and security of the nation. As far as I can tell, it is being done legally.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#585 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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It is required. For safety and security of the nation. As far as I can tell, it is being done legally.
Lbt, the hero Mr Snowden has been offered asylum in two countries with open arms. I bet you,mouse and obama are stomping your feet in rage.
guest

United States

#586 Jul 6, 2013
The problem he has is he has no passport so he can't legally go anywhere.
guest

Jonesboro, AR

#587 Jul 6, 2013
Edward Snowden is a whistleblower, not a spy – but do our leaders care?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/e...

Legislators and journalists alike have been cavalier in their condemnations of the man responsible for the NSA leaks.

According to US legislators and journalists, the surveillance whistleblower Edward Snowden actively aided America's enemies. They are just missing one essential element for the meme to take flight: evidence.

Hero!
Fo Show

North Little Rock, AR

#588 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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It is required. For safety and security of the nation. As far as I can tell, it is being done legally.
I'm not debating the necessity but you seem awfully willing to accept that those who employ this monitoring will operate on the honor system. Again, historical precedents indicate almost a guarantee of abuse unless proper oversight and punishment for those who would use it this information for other reasons. And this incident shows us a flaw in this system because it would violate the top secret designation for a lawmaker to come forward with information about abuse.

We're talking about truly cutting edge technological capabilities being given to private contractors to employ in an almost total secrecy. Do you not see the potential for abuse here? Military personnel & clandestine service members take oaths. Contractors are a step removed from this and simply told the legalities of their power. When you can be privy to people's secrets, you have near total autonomy to use that information without much risk. We've seen the abuse that people will do in situations where there is a real risk of being caught. Add the element of everything you're doing being top secret and you have taken away a significant portion of that risk. It's easy to see where a true believer in his or her personal political ideology, could use this information against those they perceive as having flawed political beliefs. That's just one example but everything from profit to extortion would be easy to implement without a system of checks & balances that has teeth and clear definitions of what constitutes abuse. My concern is for too much power in the hands of so many with very little risk of being held accountable.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#589 Jul 6, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not debating the necessity but you seem awfully willing to accept that those who employ this monitoring will operate on the honor system. Again, historical precedents indicate almost a guarantee of abuse unless proper oversight and punishment for those who would use it this information for other reasons. And this incident shows us a flaw in this system because it would violate the top secret designation for a lawmaker to come forward with information about abuse.
We're talking about truly cutting edge technological capabilities being given to private contractors to employ in an almost total secrecy. Do you not see the potential for abuse here? Military personnel & clandestine service members take oaths. Contractors are a step removed from this and simply told the legalities of their power. When you can be privy to people's secrets, you have near total autonomy to use that information without much risk. We've seen the abuse that people will do in situations where there is a real risk of being caught. Add the element of everything you're doing being top secret and you have taken away a significant portion of that risk. It's easy to see where a true believer in his or her personal political ideology, could use this information against those they perceive as having flawed political beliefs. That's just one example but everything from profit to extortion would be easy to implement without a system of checks & balances that has teeth and clear definitions of what constitutes abuse. My concern is for too much power in the hands of so many with very little risk of being held accountable.
Full of shzt as usual I see,

“I just post facts.”

Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#590 Jul 6, 2013
Fo Show wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not debating the necessity but you seem awfully willing to accept that those who employ this monitoring will operate on the honor system. Again, historical precedents indicate almost a guarantee of abuse unless proper oversight and punishment for those who would use it this information for other reasons. And this incident shows us a flaw in this system because it would violate the top secret designation for a lawmaker to come forward with information about abuse.
We're talking about truly cutting edge technological capabilities being given to private contractors to employ in an almost total secrecy. Do you not see the potential for abuse here? Military personnel & clandestine service members take oaths. Contractors are a step removed from this and simply told the legalities of their power. When you can be privy to people's secrets, you have near total autonomy to use that information without much risk. We've seen the abuse that people will do in situations where there is a real risk of being caught. Add the element of everything you're doing being top secret and you have taken away a significant portion of that risk. It's easy to see where a true believer in his or her personal political ideology, could use this information against those they perceive as having flawed political beliefs. That's just one example but everything from profit to extortion would be easy to implement without a system of checks & balances that has teeth and clear definitions of what constitutes abuse. My concern is for too much power in the hands of so many with very little risk of being held accountable.
Anybody with a security clearance affirms an oath. Civilian contractor or not.
fifty1fifty

United States

#592 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Anybody with a security clearance affirms an oath. Civilian contractor or not.
An oath to rape the world while protecting human rights? I guess the brainwashing did not take hold firmly enough, he has backbone and is a good man, unlike over half of our leaders from the dogcatcher up. Did you know almost all U.S.P.S. mail is photographed so they can tell who your bank is, your mortgage, your phone carrier, your mother, your drug store, your relatives...they fill out a form no court order and every facet of your life is there without ever opening a package? Sometimes a big brother takes a painful punch in the nose and changes his M.O., and gets the "Holy Ghost" hopefully we pray?

“I just post facts.”

Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#593 Jul 6, 2013
fifty1fifty wrote:
<quoted text>An oath to rape the world while protecting human rights? I guess the brainwashing did not take hold firmly enough, he has backbone and is a good man, unlike over half of our leaders from the dogcatcher up. Did you know almost all U.S.P.S. mail is photographed so they can tell who your bank is, your mortgage, your phone carrier, your mother, your drug store, your relatives...they fill out a form no court order and every facet of your life is there without ever opening a package? Sometimes a big brother takes a painful punch in the nose and changes his M.O., and gets the "Holy Ghost" hopefully we pray?
No. Its an oath to protect sensitive information up to and including classified information of the level for which one is cleared. And an oath to report any suspected or actual breech of that same information protection. Both circumstances subject to penalities of fine and imprisonment. Hefty in both cases I might add. And both circumstances of which Snowden confessed on a global scale to being guilty of.

That oath.
fifty1fifty

United States

#594 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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No. Its an oath to protect sensitive information up to and including classified information of the level for which one is cleared. And an oath to report any suspected or actual breech of that same information protection. Both circumstances subject to penalities of fine and imprisonment. Hefty in both cases I might add. And both circumstances of which Snowden confessed on a global scale to being guilty of.
That oath.
What date did you take yours? To not tell/acknowledge the truth until after you die? Go public worldwideweb or go blow your whistle up a buttpucker that has no ears? I pray he brings change to "our" whole world, truthfully!
Guest

Mountain Home, AR

#595 Jul 6, 2013
This issue has caused many people to take so many opposite stands. You have the side that doesn't think the government can do any wrong, you know the "put a boot up their ass" group. Then you have the side that doesn't believe America can do any thing right. Myself I have lived long enough to have seen my country do many things wrong. I saw a war started on a flat lie in the 60's and saw it continue even after our congress and president knew it was a lost cause. Also I saw the Iraq war again started on a lie. During the 80's we supported Bin Laden's group to fight the Russians and they turned and bit us in the ass. Only time will tell if this young man is a hero or traitor to America. One thing for sure today you can't get 10 people to agree that the sun is shinning. America needs to take a good long look at itself and ask if all this war mongering is really worth it. One thing for sure the world would be a better place if America would mind our own business and leave the rest of the world alone.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#596 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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No. Its an oath to protect sensitive information up to and including classified information of the level for which one is cleared. And an oath to report any suspected or actual breech of that same information protection. Both circumstances subject to penalities of fine and imprisonment. Hefty in both cases I might add. And both circumstances of which Snowden confessed on a global scale to being guilty of.
That oath.
Keep twisting the facts. All Snowden told was obama spying on law abiding americans,He's a hero lbt.
guest

United States

#597 Jul 6, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Anybody with a security clearance affirms an oath. Civilian contractor or not.
Are you serious? Did they spit in their hand, raise it and say hope to die? Clapper however was under oath when he lied to congress.
Guest

Mountain Home, AR

#598 Jul 6, 2013
By the judging of these posts there must be a lot of children on this board.

“I just post facts.”

Since: Apr 13

Jonesboro, AR

#600 Jul 6, 2013
guest wrote:
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Are you serious? Did they spit in their hand, raise it and say hope to die? Clapper however was under oath when he lied to congress.
Clapper didn't lie to Congress.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#601 Jul 7, 2013
Disclaimer wrote:
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Clapper didn't lie to Congress.
Yes he did sht for brains.

Since: Mar 13

Jonesboro, AR

#602 Jul 7, 2013
Snowden can come stay with me. I won't rat him out to President Obama.
Gary

Ashburn, VA

#603 Jul 7, 2013
Warty O Toole wrote:
Snowden can come stay with me. I won't rat him out to President Obama.
The hero would piss in your cheerios.

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