Clare police cleared in fatal motel s...

Clare police cleared in fatal motel shooting

There are 68 comments on the Detroit Free Press story from Jan 21, 2008, titled Clare police cleared in fatal motel shooting. In it, Detroit Free Press reports that:

Authorities say two Clare police officers were justified in using deadly force against an armed 51-year-old schizophrenic man outside a motel last year. via Detroit Free Press

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john doe

Uhrichsville, OH

#1 Jan 24, 2008
i think its sick how them cops get away with what ever they want that man could have been pepper spayed and tazered
Retired Cop

Bay City, MI

#2 Jan 31, 2008
Hey John Doe, Maybe you should read the reports before you open your mouth. The officers had exhausted all other means of taking this guy into custody and they failed. The subject was within 4 feet of the officers, still advancing and had a knife and hatchet. What would you do, kiss him?
retired firefihter

United States

#3 Mar 18, 2008
Im going with the retired cop, he was consided dangers to both him self and the cops. And those cops go out there and risk there life to protect you and the public, and you still find somthing to bitch about.?
Spade Citizen

Arlington Heights, IL

#4 Apr 13, 2008
Maybe you two old guys should add a few other details to the story. Why not talk about how the guy was blind in one eye and had to use a cane to walk! Now tell me how this man was still be concidered a threat? Oh and how the so called "report" was on a "shots fire in the area", when all witness accounts are the report of one sequence of shots, not two. "Missing Something"! This man was shot 11 times includeing 4 in the back! All emergency personal on the scene was not aloud into the scene till 40 minutes after the shooting. How about those facts?
frankburns

Bay City, MI

#5 Apr 26, 2008
Well John Doe and Spade Citizen neither one of you have the facts. The guy was not shot 11 times, and he was certainly not shot in the back. I happen to have first hand knowledge of that. Make up whatever story you want but the officers were justified in what they did. These are highly trained officers, both of whom I know personally. They did what they had to do when they HAD to do it. Get all the facts before running your mouths. It's people like you that spread these rumors and keep the fire burning that make me sick. You people will also be the first ones to complain when the COPS don't show up in 5 minutes to take care of your neighbors dog that is barking and making you miss your beauty sleep. Go hug a tree in L.A.
459608RRF

Arlington Heights, IL

#6 May 5, 2008
Maybe Mr. Frank Burns should read his local paper and stop protecting some cronies he may know. You answer this question, why are these officers going to trial?
frankburns

Bay City, MI

#7 Jul 1, 2008
I can answer your question in three words, They Are Not. Again, get the facts don't start or repeat rumors.
459608RRF wrote:
Maybe Mr. Frank Burns should read his local paper and stop protecting some cronies he may know. You answer this question, why are these officers going to trial?
Clare Resident

Mount Pleasant, MI

#8 Jul 19, 2008
You know I must say that I’m glad for the 1st amendment rights, to say what you want when you want. I’m also glad to all the Vets.in America who have fought and died for us to keep this right.

What I am not glad is for individuals from let’s say, Hope or Ohio who read the Clare Sentinel and think that they are getting the truth with the stories they read. This paper can’t even print an article with out miss spelling half the words, so why would you think they could get the truth of a story. I also find it funny when the sheep of this world are complaining about the sheep dogs that protect them and the sheep who complain that don’t even live in the area.

Just remember, the 1st amendment right is there for you to use not to be ignorant and state what you do not know, and believe me you have no idea.
Penny

Panama City, FL

#9 Jul 22, 2008
Hey Clare Resident, why are you from Ada? Clare makes Mayberry RFD look like a Think-Tank
steve evans

Bay City, MI

#10 Aug 1, 2008
MMMMM Frankburns,,,Do you know the facts??? why does Clare pd keep getting lawsuits against them?? maybe they should background check better,,,they have a part timer there that also had a big federal suit against him for breaking the leg of an innocent cerebral palsy victim cause of his negligence. The officers you know personally??? The one has already been in trouble for trying to tazer kids toilet papering and handcuffing them!!! Also the other one would cry to his hairdresser about how scared he is sometimes!! They should shut that PD right down. Also can you explain why the autopsy report NEVER showed Mr. Scozarri being tasered at all??? And you cant beleive the papers around here. Also how bout the other suit clare pd has,,,when a guy got beat up at the lounge in clare and the police thought he was the suspect and beat the poor guy up again!!! YA great Cops there!!
ltfrankburns

Bay City, MI

#11 Aug 2, 2008
All I can say Mr. Steve Evans of Mt. Pleasant is that you do not have any of the facts in ANY of these cases. Yes police departments do have lawsuits against them, it's the nature of the job. I still , and always will stand behind the Clare Police Department. The officers of that department are highly trained and very quailified to do their job.
I certainly hope that people who read your posting go away laughing because there in not one ounce of truth in any of it.
steve evans

Bay City, MI

#12 Aug 2, 2008
YES Mr. Burns I know who works there and exactly what goes on!! Maybe you can help clare pd learn to write proper reports!!! LMAO
highly trained

Bay City, MI

#13 Aug 2, 2008
I know a lot of officers that have never had lawsuits filled against them and they have been officers for over 25 to 30 years so you tell me how it is that officer's that have less then ten years have had lawsuits filled against them. there are two officer that work for Clare police dept and the sheriff dept that have lawsuits filled against them and the suits have to do with the use of force and the cause of bodily harm. Where should it stop when another person gets shot or hurt.
frankburns

Bay City, MI

#14 Aug 5, 2008
Sure there are officers that work 25-30 years without having lawsuits against them. They lucked out. They were not any better police officers then the ones at Clare P D they were just lucky. It is a risk that you take when you become a police officer. The Clare Police Department is a PRO ACTIVE department, being pro active means more exposure. I do not want to live in an area where the police department turn and look the other way, ignore situations, or do not take any action for fear of being sued. That would not be a safe place for my family to live.
It is unfortunate that you are so bitter with the police. I think that you should get to know some of these people, they have family's and pay their bills just like you. The difference is that they are doing a job that no one else will do because they care about the community they live in.
frankburns

Bay City, MI

#15 Aug 5, 2008
Go to the police departments in your area and ask them if they have any pending lawsuits. Better yet, go to the city hall or the county clerk and ask them if any department in the city or county, police, fire, ems, dpw, road commission, are currently involved in lawsuits. I can tell you that no matter where you go the answer will be YES. If you want further information on the type etc. you would probably have to file a FOIA request to get the information.
To make it sound like the Clare Police Department is the only agency in central Michigan to have lawsuits against them is totally misleading.
Clare County Police Stink

Fenton, MI

#16 Aug 6, 2008
Well, Mr. Burns. You do not live here, you do not know any of the SHERIFS! Not police btw.

You do not know our local news papers are censored.

You do not know ANY of the facts.

This man was blind. The SHERIF busted in his door when he was sleeping. He had NO CLUE it was the SHERIF. He is BLIND and DEAF. Walked with a cane. But they DID NOT TAZER him or anything. They just shot him... 11 times.. yes 11 times.

You have NO IDEA of how the vigalanty sherifs department works here.

They love to drop 3 time loser from court charges too. They let 3 time convicted sex offenders out over and over and over again.

Mr. Burns. Just shut up. You have no idea.
Clare County Police Stink

Fenton, MI

#17 Aug 6, 2008
frankburns
Mount Pleasant, MI Reply »
|Report Abuse |Judge it!|#15 22 hrs ago
Go to the police departments in your area and ask them if they have any pending lawsuits. Better yet, go to the city hall or the county clerk and ask them if any department in the city or county, police,
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The DO have lawsuits. One for 3 BILLION from a Dr .... MANY for the SHERIF. Even one against HEAD START for alowing a 4 year old to be sexualy assulted while in their care by a 26 year old man.

One is suspended. Sherif, for csc against a prisner.

The city of the posting is listed to where your server is based. Not where you live.

A dog catcher was fired for the exact same thing. A 911 operaort was fired for giving warning to people about to get raided.

This county's Sherif's department is corrupt. Has been for years and years.

Finaly the people are going to get changes.
tom stevens

Mount Pleasant, MI

#18 Aug 6, 2008
police stink a lot of what you say is true. I seen with the recent sheriff election how REALLY censored they are. Shooter would have made the best sheriff,,that dept set him up with a bunch of untrue rumors to cover their own illegal asses yet the others had much worse things in their history and never mentioned it,,,at least he told the truth,,the county and people lost out on that one. ya and still no answer to why the sheriff dept was never notified when walravens got raided,,local LE is always notified. I think i know who you are talking about on the dog catcher, dont on the csc charge. Also the current democrat running for drain commissioner was fired last winter for sex on the 911 computers during work time. Think he a good friend of the dog catcher! They have many more suits coming.
clare resident

Mount Pleasant, MI

#19 Aug 7, 2008
Police stink why do you think the people are going to get changes?
UNITED STATES

Mount Pleasant, MI

#20 Aug 9, 2008
BOY IT’S FUNNY IN HERE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO HATE THE POLICE AND THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT EVERYTHING. IF THEY ALL ONLY NEW THE TRUTH.
PEOPLE GET EDGUCATED AND LEARN THERE IS TWO SIDES TOO ANY STORY. ALSO REMEMBER THE BLEEDING LIBERALS WILL ALWAYS BE LIBERAL. THIS IS WHY POLICE ARE USUALY REPUBLICAN; THEY EXPECT THINGS TO GET DONE AND FOR CRIMINALS TO BE PROSECUTED. THEY DON’T EXCEPT PEOPLE DOING ANYTHING THEY WANT. IF WE DID THIS WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE MENTALITY LIKE IN THE SIXTIES, ANY YOU KNOW WHERE THAT GOT US.
OPEN YOUR MINDS PEOPLE

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