Nimetz Optimistic on Macedonia-Greece 'Name' Talks

Jan 11, 2013 Full story: BalkanInsight.com 74

UN special envoy Matthew Nimetz said he wanted to step up negotiations between Macedonia and Greece aimed at solving their name dispute.

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Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#65 Jan 14, 2013
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wIcPGG-ym_MXX
money talks, bullsh*t runs the marathon
There is no reason for Greek reporters to promote the Greekness of Macedonia, the Greekness of Macedonian is written in stone! on coins! and in the Bible!

Below inscriptions written in Ancient Macedonian, which any modern Greek child can read without any problem! A FYROMian Slav needs and interpreter to understand what it says.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thessalonik...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html...

Church of Ayia Sophia in Thessaloniki built in 8th century (717-40) A.D. The inscriptions are all written in Greek so the worshipers can read them. This is what is written in the mosaic on the dome.
http://lessonsfromamonastery.files.wordpress....
Can a Slav from FYROM read this inscription without an interpreter?

I can read it easily, It's from the Book of Acts 1:11.

I'll write it phonetically.

"Andres Galileii, ti estikate emvlepontes eis ton ouranon? Outos O Isous O analymthis af imon eis ton ouranon."

In English:

“Men of Galilee, why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”

Now my question to the Slavic peope of FYROM is why can I, a Greek Islander read these Macedonian inscriptions and you who want to call yourselves "Macedonians" cant?....just some food for thought.
Biatch Slap A Skop

Toronto, Canada

#66 Jan 14, 2013
LOL LOL

Goran I don't understand Bulgarian.

Were they talking about how sunny and clean Greece's beaches are???

Me no understand Bulgarian !!!!!
MacedoniaNEVERGreek wrote:
<quoted text>
This is why
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =wIcPGG-ym_MXX
money talks, bullsh*t runs the marathon
The Ovchar

Canada

#67 Jan 14, 2013
So the world is flat? It was written as such for centuries...but disproven...

Not a revisionist by any means...more of a CORRECTIONIST...
Stay in the dark ages fool...new evidence that goes against the grain of the establishment is gaining traction...

Its only a matter of time...

Then slowly...the unraveling begins...the correction occurs...and a balanced world history will be told.

Just a matter of time...

EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is patiently watching...his flock...so flock off gerk...and get ready for some correction.

BIATCH SLAP A PONTIAN...
Biatch Slap A Skop wrote:
Wow !! Your really gone.
"The flavour of the day" were they serving vanilla??
"Pay for misdeeds" what misdeeds pray tell would that be. Are you referring to financial status?? If so, Greece could even lose more billions and still be in better shape than that nameless state would ever be.
Now how does "flavour" and "misdeeds" equate to historical events, please explain. If history books were written far far before your pathetic people ever existed in our lands, where are you getting your info from.
That would mean history is being revised, yes. So are you saying your a revisionist, yes.
Matter of fact history can never never be re-written, it has been well documented. Unfortunately your people are not in it.
This nameless state of your's continues in attempts to re-write history on a daily basis it seems, yes. What's next Elvis is skopjean... LOL LOL LOL LOL
Or perhaps he stills lives, that is, in your nameless state... "you ain't nothin but a hound dog, crying all the time".
<quoted text>
CANADEZOS

Toronto, Canada

#68 Jan 14, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
So the world is flat? It was written as such for centuries...but disproven...
Not a revisionist by any means...more of a CORRECTIONIST...
Stay in the dark ages fool...new evidence that goes against the grain of the establishment is gaining traction...
Its only a matter of time...
Then slowly...the unraveling begins...the correction occurs...and a balanced world history will be told.
Just a matter of time...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is patiently watching...his flock...so flock off gerk...and get ready for some correction.
BIATCH SLAP A PONTIAN...
<quoted text>
DREAM ON YUGOSLAVIAN IMBECILE==>>TIME CAN NOT ERASE THE MACEDONIANS HELLENIC IDENTITY==>>BECAUSE IT IS ENGRAVED IN STONE!==>>AND STONES DO NOT LIE!UNLIKE FORMER YUGOSLAVIAS CORRUPTED DRUGUVITES SLAVIC COMMIES LIKE YOU!WHOM HAVE FLOODED THE INTERNET WITH YUGOSLAVIAN COMMUNIST LIES&PROPAGANDA!

The Ovchar

Canada

#69 Jan 14, 2013
The world is flat according to the burger flipping Pontians at Johnnys Burgers...

EDEN DEN E SEGA
MMMMMMMM Johnnys Burgers.....

Ethnic Identity engraved in Ketchup...
CANADEZOS wrote:
<quoted text>DREAM ON YUGOSLAVIAN IMBECILE==>>TIME CAN NOT ERASE THE MACEDONIANS HELLENIC IDENTITY==>>BECAUSE IT IS ENGRAVED IN STONE!==>>AND STONES DO NOT LIE!UNLIKE FORMER YUGOSLAVIAS CORRUPTED DRUGUVITES SLAVIC COMMIES LIKE YOU!WHOM HAVE FLOODED THE INTERNET WITH YUGOSLAVIAN COMMUNIST LIES&PROPAGANDA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =H6aFucV9EtMXX
CANADEZOS

Toronto, Canada

#70 Jan 14, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
The world is flat according to the burger flipping Pontians at Johnnys Burgers...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
MMMMMMMM Johnnys Burgers.....
Ethnic Identity engraved in Ketchup...
<quoted text>
GYFTOVULGARE==>>HE IS A MULTI MILLIONAIRE!THE BUILDING ALONE IS WORTH COUPLE MILLIONS!

Biatch Slap A Skop

Toronto, Canada

#71 Jan 15, 2013
My god do you ever need help. Is there no end to your radical ignorance??

Fool, as for flat earth, here you go:

"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC"

OUCH !!!!!

Where did you say you obtained education??? I strongly suggest you seek reimbursement for the lack of education. Now we do realize there's been a great deal of manipulation and abuse provided directly from your parents. But you can seek help, get re-educated.

So, as you earlier, your people are revising their own history and books only to include themselves as part of the Greatest Civilization... The Greek Civilization. Well good luck with that.

However you're going to need more than an eraser or liquid paper to erase those Greek letters carved in ancient stone. Not to add more misery on your endeavour but I don't there's that many of you to hit all the world libraries, museums, art galleries, universities and private collections.

Word of advice or fact depending how you take it... by the time you attempt/get arrested within any establishment, your little nameless state will be dissolved. Problem solved for you.
The Ovchar wrote:
So the world is flat? It was written as such for centuries...but disproven...
Not a revisionist by any means...more of a CORRECTIONIST...
Stay in the dark ages fool...new evidence that goes against the grain of the establishment is gaining traction...
Its only a matter of time...
Then slowly...the unraveling begins...the correction occurs...and a balanced world history will be told.
Just a matter of time...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is patiently watching...his flock...so flock off gerk...and get ready for some correction.
BIATCH SLAP A PONTIAN...
<quoted text>
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#72 Jan 15, 2013
Biatch Slap A Skop wrote:
My god do you ever need help. Is there no end to your radical ignorance??
Fool, as for flat earth, here you go:
"The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC"
OUCH !!!!!
Where did you say you obtained education??? I strongly suggest you seek reimbursement for the lack of education. Now we do realize there's been a great deal of manipulation and abuse provided directly from your parents. But you can seek help, get re-educated.
So, as you earlier, your people are revising their own history and books only to include themselves as part of the Greatest Civilization... The Greek Civilization. Well good luck with that.
However you're going to need more than an eraser or liquid paper to erase those Greek letters carved in ancient stone. Not to add more misery on your endeavour but I don't there's that many of you to hit all the world libraries, museums, art galleries, universities and private collections.
Word of advice or fact depending how you take it... by the time you attempt/get arrested within any establishment, your little nameless state will be dissolved. Problem solved for you.
<quoted text>
Seeing that you are from Toronto I'd like to ask you a few questions. From what I understand there is a large FYROMian Diaspora living in the Toronto area which were formerly known "Macedono-Bulgarians ". My question is how do these people get along with the Greeks of your area? Are the FYROMians as fanatical as they seem on this forum? I can honestly say I have never met a FYROMian and the only communication I have had with them is on this forum so if I had to judge by their postings on here I would have to say they are dillusional deniers of history who follow blindly an agenda created by Ultra-Nationalists who are building an artificial identity at the expense of their Greek and Bulgarian neighbors.
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#73 Jan 15, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
The world is flat according to the burger flipping Pontians at Johnnys Burgers...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
MMMMMMMM Johnnys Burgers.....
Ethnic Identity engraved in Ketchup...
<quoted text>
http://youtu.be/H6aFucV9EtM
Since when your Bulgarian language become Macedonian?
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#74 Jan 15, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
The world is flat according to the burger flipping Pontians at Johnnys Burgers...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
MMMMMMMM Johnnys Burgers.....
Ethnic Identity engraved in Ketchup...
<quoted text>
http://youtu.be/H6aFucV9EtM
Since when you have complex with your Bulgarian language and you re-name your language Macedonian?
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#75 Jan 15, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
So the world is flat? It was written as such for centuries...but disproven...
Not a revisionist by any means...more of a CORRECTIONIST...
Stay in the dark ages fool...new evidence that goes against the grain of the establishment is gaining traction...
Its only a matter of time...
Then slowly...the unraveling begins...the correction occurs...and a balanced world history will be told.
Just a matter of time...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is patiently watching...his flock...so flock off gerk...and get ready for some correction.
BIATCH SLAP A PONTIAN...
<quoted text>
http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php...
Since when the Bulgarian like you,become Macedonian?
MAKEDONIA ALWAYS GREECE

Greece

#76 Jan 15, 2013
The Ovchar wrote:
The world is flat according to the burger flipping Pontians at Johnnys Burgers...
EDEN DEN E SEGA
MMMMMMMM Johnnys Burgers.....
Ethnic Identity engraved in Ketchup...
<quoted text>
http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php...
Since when you have complex with your Bulgarian origin and you "wannabe" a Macedonian?
Biatch Slap A Skop

Toronto, Canada

#77 Jan 15, 2013
Yes, we do know some. However they tend to react unusually tense with Greeks around. When confronted by a third-party while there's a Greek present they immediately introduce themselves as Macedonian.

Fortunately the ones I know, we don't indulge on the topic and their generally pretty good people. Frankly the problem lies with their elders who seem to have contempt for Greece. They continually bombard their young with these senseless and ridiculous notions of a separate state called Macedonia.

These individuals are mostly ex-Greek pats who sided or sympathized with the communist north after ww2. My pals dad was one of those who were caught behind the lines and taken as a child into this dreadful and nameless state.

My kids go to school with a few, only 2 really have a chip on their shoulder, root of this anger stems from the grandfather. Obviously my kids are unaware of this whole issue, so they were caught off guard when these individuals started to inform my kids about how Greeks pillaged and killed their people in 1913.

Perhaps the above statement is mostly why I resent these people who use their young to manipulate non-truths into them. And in-turn affect my kids, by asking questions.

On the other hand, my kids are good friends with some, and they get along very well. As my child tells me, one kid is a really good soccer player, who's parents are from Skopje but he considers himself as Bulgarian.

Where are you from mate.
Greek Islander wrote:
<quoted text>
Seeing that you are from Toronto I'd like to ask you a few questions. From what I understand there is a large FYROMian Diaspora living in the Toronto area which were formerly known "Macedono-Bulgarians ". My question is how do these people get along with the Greeks of your area? Are the FYROMians as fanatical as they seem on this forum? I can honestly say I have never met a FYROMian and the only communication I have had with them is on this forum so if I had to judge by their postings on here I would have to say they are dillusional deniers of history who follow blindly an agenda created by Ultra-Nationalists who are building an artificial identity at the expense of their Greek and Bulgarian neighbors.
Greek Islander

Philadelphia, PA

#78 Jan 15, 2013
Biatch Slap A Skop wrote:
Yes, we do know some. However they tend to react unusually tense with Greeks around. When confronted by a third-party while there's a Greek present they immediately introduce themselves as Macedonian.
Fortunately the ones I know, we don't indulge on the topic and their generally pretty good people. Frankly the problem lies with their elders who seem to have contempt for Greece. They continually bombard their young with these senseless and ridiculous notions of a separate state called Macedonia.
These individuals are mostly ex-Greek pats who sided or sympathized with the communist north after ww2. My pals dad was one of those who were caught behind the lines and taken as a child into this dreadful and nameless state.
My kids go to school with a few, only 2 really have a chip on their shoulder, root of this anger stems from the grandfather. Obviously my kids are unaware of this whole issue, so they were caught off guard when these individuals started to inform my kids about how Greeks pillaged and killed their people in 1913.
Perhaps the above statement is mostly why I resent these people who use their young to manipulate non-truths into them. And in-turn affect my kids, by asking questions.
On the other hand, my kids are good friends with some, and they get along very well. As my child tells me, one kid is a really good soccer player, who's parents are from Skopje but he considers himself as Bulgarian.
Where are you from mate.
<quoted text>
I'm from the Phila. area.

Thanks for responding to my question. Yeah, I would think that the Ex-Greek Communists whether Slavophones or Greek speakers would be the most fanatical of the bunch since they were directly effected by the results of the Greek Civil War. Actually All Greeks were effected by the Civil War directly or indirectly. People were massacred, tortured, seperated from their families and villages burned but it was the Communists who lost and fled as a result.
They fled from the Greek military and now they carry a big chip on their shoulders.

Before 1990 I don't remember any Greek speaking about a so-called "ethnic" Macedonian identity or carrying a grudge against the people of Southern Yugoslavia. But the whole time the southern most Yugoslav republic was indoctrinating and recruting its children to hate Greece, Greek people, Greek culture and carry on the age-old Slavic struggle of access to the Aegean and the large Greek port of Thessaloniki. They know without Thessaloniki they are done. Now this hatred toward Greece involves not only the FYROM govt but also their diaspora who print anti-Greek books, have anti-Greek lectures, make anti-Greek movies, teach a reviosionist version of history, teach hatred of Greeks in their schools and churches.

This is the reason I wanted to know how it is for Greeks living in close proximity with such people in Toronto.

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