Nimetz Optimistic on Macedonia-Greece 'Name' Talks

Jan 11, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: BalkanInsight.com

UN special envoy Matthew Nimetz said he wanted to step up negotiations between Macedonia and Greece aimed at solving their name dispute.

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The Ovchar

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Zero tolerance for racism...period.
Biatch Slap A Skop wrote:
LOL LOL LOL LOL fire a teacher for there knowledge of historical events and above of all innocent truth.
So What you're saying she's a racist because of as you said spilling the truth. That would mean fire every world historian, curator and professor in every university... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Further burn every history book and library because it doesn't agree with your little nameless state's warp views of history... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
YOUR PATHETIC, Stop this chirade. The world doesn't ignore truth, it is just too well documented and your pathetic people are not in it.
Back to tilling soil.
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Biatch Slap A Skop wrote:
LOL LOL LOL LOL fire a teacher for there knowledge of historical events and above of all innocent truth.
So What you're saying she's a racist because of as you said spilling the truth. That would mean fire every world historian, curator and professor in every university... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
Further burn every history book and library because it doesn't agree with your little nameless state's warp views of history... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL
YOUR PATHETIC, Stop this chirade. The world doesn't ignore truth, it is just too well documented and your pathetic people are not in it.
Back to tilling soil.
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To these monkies anyone that speaks the truth are racist, What about ignorence do you as a parent feel responsible for your childrens lack of education....Cause what you believe and what the Education system believes in regards to Macedonia are different things.
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Biatch Slap A Pontian...
Pst...we are still there...a good chunk of my family remained and still owns quite a bit of that land as well...<quoted text>
It's funny how one day the Slavs of FYROM claim there was a genocide against them in Northern Greece and the next day they claim to have countless relatives there. In truth however almost all the Slavophones of Makedonia consider themselves to be Greek and want nothing to do with FYROM. A few die hard former Communists
who were indoctrinated by Tito and fought for N.O.F. during the Civil War might still consider non-Greek but they are a tiny tiny minority. As we know most Communist Slavic speakers fled Greece after the Civil War in order to escape charges of Crimes Against Humanity and treason against the Greek State. They had turned all of Northern Greece into a killing field.

Even the Ultra-Nationalistic Prime Minister of FYROM Nikola Gruevski had a grandfather named Nikolaos Grouios who fought and died for Greece and is today considered a Greek War Hero. Gruevski even has Greek relatives. Those however who fought against Greece with the intent of handing Makedonia to Tito and Stalin are banned from the country and are considered traitors.
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Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.

Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.

We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...

For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.

GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.

Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.

Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...

It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.

EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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It's funny how one day the Slavs of FYROM claim there was a genocide against them in Northern Greece and the next day they claim to have countless relatives there. In truth however almost all the Slavophones of Makedonia consider themselves to be Greek and want nothing to do with FYROM. A few die hard former Communists
who were indoctrinated by Tito and fought for N.O.F. during the Civil War might still consider non-Greek but they are a tiny tiny minority. As we know most Communist Slavic speakers fled Greece after the Civil War in order to escape charges of Crimes Against Humanity and treason against the Greek State. They had turned all of Northern Greece into a killing field.
Even the Ultra-Nationalistic Prime Minister of FYROM Nikola Gruevski had a grandfather named Nikolaos Grouios who fought and died for Greece and is today considered a Greek War Hero. Gruevski even has Greek relatives. Those however who fought against Greece with the intent of handing Makedonia to Tito and Stalin are banned from the country and are considered traitors.
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The Ovchar wrote:
Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.
Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...
For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.
GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.
Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.
Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...
It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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Biatch Slap A Skop

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LOL LOL LOL LOL

You are completely short of a full tool-box Goran. It's time for you reacquaint yourself with the educational system... unfortunately you must start by de-brainwashing and that may take many many cycles.

Goran Goran are you so afraid to enter a museum, art gallery or any centre that withholds history or even such as discussing your warp views with scholars.

How can your pathetic people continue dancing around the truth... the chirade is up !!!

My kid has an acquaintance with someone who's parents are from this nameless state. And that boy does not recognize himself as Macedonian but instead Bulgarian. Stop killing or suppressing those people Goran... Human Rights are watching.

I must say, you're nothing short on entertainment... occupied territories LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

In fact it's quite the opposite Goran, your people are squatters which means we are going to take back that little piece that belongs to Greece. So tell your family to pack their bags and move more north.
The Ovchar wrote:
Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.
Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...
For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.
GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.
Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.
Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...
It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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The Ovchar wrote:
Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.
Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...
For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.
GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.
Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.
Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...
It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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http://www.balkans.com/open-news.php...
Since when the Bulgarian slike you become Macedonian?

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Jan 13, 2013
 
may tito and stalin rest in peace.....MALAKA!
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And what, Greeks can establish antiquity with ancient Macedonians?
HA! HA! yah, not even axidentaly.
We are descendants of ancient Macedonians. We are not descendants of Slavs/Bulgars. Thats your mad openion, I don't wan't to into.
Macedonians have nothing to do with Greeks or Elas/Hellenis.
Macedonians developed their identity thousands of years before Elas/Hellenis/Greeks existed. You talk nonsence.
Your teory has no validity.
Go away, you bother me.
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samostojna MK wrote:
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And what, Greeks can establish antiquity with ancient Macedonians?
HA! HA! yah, not even axidentaly.
We are descendants of ancient Macedonians. We are not descendants of Slavs/Bulgars. Thats your mad openion, I don't wan't to into.
Macedonians have nothing to do with Greeks or Elas/Hellenis.
Macedonians developed their identity thousands of years before Elas/Hellenis/Greeks existed. You talk nonsence.
Your teory has no validity.
Go away, you bother me.
I'm sorry, but you must seek psychiatric help. Speaking like this, doesn't help your cause whatsoever. What you are stating is completely and utterly ludicrous.

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AS I ALWAYS SAID ON HERE . "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID" THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. What country was split? Clown! don't worry the wall will come crashing down on VARDARSKA!!! also...hahahahahA
The Ovchar wrote:
Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.
Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...
For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.
GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.
Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.
Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...
It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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The Ovchar

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OUR country was split into three in 1913...
STUPIDITY is a PANDEMIC in GAYLADA...

Pay your bills mate...or your children and your children's children will be PAYING for generations to come...AUSTERITY AUSTERITY AUSTERITY...

Looks good on ya...KARMA rules...
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AS I ALWAYS SAID ON HERE . "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID" THIS IS A PRIME EXAMPLE. What country was split? Clown! don't worry the wall will come crashing down on VARDARSKA!!! also...hahahahahA<quoted text>
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OUR country was split into three in 1913...
STUPIDITY is a PANDEMIC in GAYLADA...
Pay your bills mate...or your children and your children's children will be PAYING for generations to come...AUSTERITY AUSTERITY AUSTERITY...
Looks good on ya...KARMA rules...
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United Kosovo bre fake Fyromian?
1913 your land was Kosovo Vilayet and Uskub OR skopje capital city of the Kosovo Vilayet!

No idea bre pseudodonski??
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I am from LERIN mate...get your facts straight...OCCUPIED TERRITORY in my eyes...thats what matters to ME...
PHILIP THE MACEDONIAN wrote:
<quoted text>United Kosovo bre fake Fyromian?
1913 your land was Kosovo Vilayet and Uskub OR skopje capital city of the Kosovo Vilayet!
No idea bre pseudodonski??
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Jan 13, 2013
 
Bulgaria was never a split nation in 1913... mate.

As I said earlier Greece will be coming for the remainder of her country. And as I mention get your squatter family out of our land. We'll let the Albanians take the rest. So instead of calling it fyrom the "F" will stand for "Forgotten" and the "M" will be for "Morons" who thought they were Greek.
The Ovchar wrote:
OUR country was split into three in 1913...
STUPIDITY is a PANDEMIC in GAYLADA...
Pay your bills mate...or your children and your children's children will be PAYING for generations to come...AUSTERITY AUSTERITY AUSTERITY...
Looks good on ya...KARMA rules...
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Just like a skoopie to hijack a name But the shoes are tooooooooo big. Just like the name Macedonia :) MACEDONIA WAS BORN GREEK !

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<quoted text>DEBRA BETHUNE HAS S MANY SCHEMES, AND 'I PAY BACK' SAID DEBRA WARRICK
THAT NOW, SHE WILL, THE ELECTRICTY. IS PAID. YVETTE ANNE MARION DICAMPLI IS NOT YOUR MOTHER, NOR YOUR BANKER, NOR ANYTHING.
FBI REPORT IC3 IS IN EL PASO., SO YES YVETTE 'SWEAR OUT A WARRANT ON TWO THIEVES, LARCENY, AND ANIMAL CRUELTY'. ON BOTH OCCUPANTS.
GERALD J.
DEBRA BETHUNE AND CHRISTINE ANDERSON WALMART COLSPRINGS 'ANIMAL CRUELTY
CHRISTINE ANDERSON AND DEBRA BETHUNE 'LARCENY' 20 TIMES OVER COLSPR,CO
LADY YVETTE ANNE MARION DICAMPLI 'OF FRANCE' ASSAULTED BY ANNETTE MARION
7945 MANSTON ST, COLORADO SPRINGS, CO 80920 CRIME SCENE, ALL PARTIES, CPMS OSD MIL TRACKPHONE, STALKER ANNETTE MARION HOSED, HACKED INTO DEBR BETHUNE COMPUTER.
6 PHONES, 7 COMPUTERS HOSED ANNETTE MARION DID TO LADY YVETTE ANNE MARION DICAMPLI
LADY YVETTE ANNE MARION DICAMPLI DENOUNCED USA 92 XENA FIND HER RUSSIAN PASSPT
ANNETTE MARION HOSED DEBRA BETHUNE COMPUTER EMAIL OF YVETTE MARION DICAMPLI
GERALD J.

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at least we will be able to pay......your new home in skopia will be the capitol of Kosavo..... and after the partition ,if your lucky !!!! your chicken ranch will fall into the REAL MACEDONIA....you fu***ing poser... ochvarskata don't worry one day you will grow up to a full size Kourada !!!!! Go build a statue of tito stalin and your master for your modern day insanity, Greoge W. Bush !!!!! Stop posing as me also CLOWN! Is it not enough your country hijacked Greek and Bulgarian history.... Macedonia was is and will remain Greek ! aei gamisou....
The Ovchar wrote:
OUR country was split into three in 1913...
STUPIDITY is a PANDEMIC in GAYLADA...
Pay your bills mate...or your children and your children's children will be PAYING for generations to come...AUSTERITY AUSTERITY AUSTERITY...
Looks good on ya...KARMA rules...
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The Ovchar wrote:
Gruevski is truly representative of who the Macedonians are and his roots in the occupied territories seem to have that IN YO FACE effect on this whole debate.
Just think...an ethnic Macedonian from the Greek Occuppied Macedonia is the Prime Minister of the Republic of Macedonia...must be the twilight zone for the Greeks who try and try again to evade the existence of ethnic Macedonians in Greece.
We will NOT BE TOLD by the foreign occuppying forces in Aegean Macedonia who we are...we know very well who we are...and we are telling OUR STORY...
For too long these Greeks have stepped on our necks to liquidate, assimilate and now ridicule our very existence.
GORE GLAVATA for all Macedonci especially the ones who live within Greece's modern borders...we are one and the inevitable is coming...unification in some form which will allow us to develop in a natural way. Be it within the EU or some other manifestation of the borders coming down we WILL achieve unification.
Before 1989 no one thought for a minute that Germany would reunite...yet the Berlin wall came crashing down.
Poland was divided and had reunited after many years...
It will happen...it will not go away as a thought, a dream or a wish...one day it will happen.
EDEN DEN E SEGA
The Ovchar is certain of this.
The question is not IF...the question is WHEN.
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You don't seem to understand that the Slavs of FYROM will never be allowed into the E.U. or NATO without changing their name and stop their attempt to usurp Greek history, symbols and aquire Greek territory. Don't you understand that even when FYROM finally comes up with a name which is agreeable to Greece the borders wont change, why? because in order for a nation to enter the E.U. it must give up ANY claims it has against neighboring countries.

As I have said before (except for a handful of former Communists) most Slavophones in Makedonia consider themselves to be ethically Greek. And why would they consider themselves to be anything other than Greek since they live in Historic Makedonia and since the begining of written history the people of Makedonia were a Greek speaking people, had Greek names and ONLY gave Greek names to their towns and villages....NEVER Bulgarian, Turkish and Albanian names as are found in FYROM.

After the liberation of Makedonia in 1912 the Turkish, Bulgarian and Albanian names given to Macedonian towns by the various invaders and settlers were once again given their original Greek name, if the town's original Greek name was lost a new Greek name was given to it.

As we all know the region of FYROM was never a part of the Macedonian homeland, in antiquity what today is known as FYROM was The Kingdom of Paeonia.

Ancient Paeonia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Paeonians.p...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_anci...

Ancient Macedonia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Macedonian_...

http://jencarey.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/m...

The Slavs who now Paeonia (FYROM) arrived in the Balkans from what is known today as the Ukraine.

The Slavic Ethnogenesis

Identifying the Slavic Stock and Origins of the Slavs

"By about 1500 BC, the area of land which now corresponds with south-eastern Poland and north-eastern Ukraine became home of the early Slavic tribes, which are commonly known as the Proto-Slavs. Studies and excavations of this area of land, that could be called the 'Slavic Cradle', prove that the present day Slavs are the descendants of these tribes.

Slavic warbands and groups broke through many defences with weapons in hand, throughout the lower Danube in the outer regions of the Byzantine Empire reaching the Balkans. The first known recording of this Slavic mass migration was in the year 493 AD."

http://www.andrzejb.net/slavic/
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Your narrow views blind you all...

The Macedonians of Greece, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia can be a source of unity and prosperity...accept us and you will reap the benefits of prosperity and openness instead of this nationalism poison.

Take the opportunity to help shape the future of the region...based on tolerance and peace...accept the Macedonians and the flow of good will and unity will make all three countries forward.

Denial is not an option...
This is the only way forward...
Your dilema over the next two generations of austerity will demand it...

Your move...
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The Ovchar wrote:
Your narrow views blind you all...
The Macedonians of Greece, Bulgaria and the Republic of Macedonia can be a source of unity and prosperity...accept us and you will reap the benefits of prosperity and openness instead of this nationalism poison.
Take the opportunity to help shape the future of the region...based on tolerance and peace...accept the Macedonians and the flow of good will and unity will make all three countries forward.
Denial is not an option...
This is the only way forward...
Your dilema over the next two generations of austerity will demand it...
Your move...
Why bother with this malaka this country is heading for civil war, Fakedonia is having big issues with the Government trying to shut people up including banning the press, people are going missing, and people being bashed. This country will break up as it has no idenity and most people are confused who they are.

Its all coming to an end for them.

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Jan 13, 2013
 
Greece WAS your number one investor. ungreatful poser!

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