Colorado Governor Hickenlooper and other hypocritical Democrats.

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Apr 23, 2013
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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So please explain to us: Why it is necessary for citizens of the United States to alter hardware, or "get around" ridiculous and useless laws, in order to simply exercise our constitutional rights?
Why? Well I suppose, in this particular case, the nexus of the dilemma is, gasp, the 2nd amendment itself. It has set forth, by strict interpretation, that the regulation of militia (hence their arms) is to be left up to states. One would think you, of all people, would be jumping up and down in glee that SCOTUS has re-affirmed local versus central jurisdiction.
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#143
Apr 23, 2013
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Apparently, you heard wrong. Colorado's new restrictions upon Second Amendment rights do not take effect until July 1st.
Hopefully, between the recalls, and the lawsuits filed by half of Colorado's elected sheriffs, citizen's rights will be restored:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/10/co...
Still, it is a law, no matter how you try and spin it.
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#144
Apr 23, 2013
 
Post 142 should end "local versus central regulation".

Apologies.
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#145
Apr 23, 2013
 
http://consortiumnews.com/2011/11/01/a-decade...

More obtuseness and hypocricy.

Has anyone confiscated your guns? Yet, you millions of gun owners fear that MIGHT happen. However, you think nothing of the fact that the POTENTIAL to violate you exists in The Patriot Act.

You need to educate yourself regarding citizens' abuses by virtue of the unconstitutional law.
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Thank you for your insightful and fact-filled analysis of Constitutional rights...the only thing missing is the insight..and the facts.
Your link provides many cases where the website owners indicate that the Patriot Act is in direct opposition to the U.S. Constitution...the only thing missing, and what liberals never provide, is actual cases where any of those violations of the constitution have actually occurred, and the situations surrounding those cases.
Never mind the fact that the Patriot Act was originally passed with the support of liberal Democrats

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http://consortiumnews.com/2011/11/01/a-decade...
More obtuseness and hypocricy.
Has anyone confiscated your guns? Yet, you millions of gun owners fear that MIGHT happen. However, you think nothing of the fact that the POTENTIAL to violate you exists in The Patriot Act.
You need to educate yourself regarding citizens' abuses by virtue of the unconstitutional law.
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No. I need to consider your arguments poppycock.

And I do!

I support the Patriot Act. It has effectively saved American lives, and done so without violation of constitutional rights.

Viva Bush!

And thank goodness for President Obama's "On the Job Training".

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#147
Apr 23, 2013
 
Gustavo wrote:
Post 142 should end "local versus central regulation".
Apologies.
Nope. There's still that ole' "Shall not be infringed." thing...

The Constitution directly expresses the rights people hold..and anything else is left to the states.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Period. End of story.
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No. I need to consider your arguments poppycock.
And I do!
I support the Patriot Act. It has effectively saved American lives, and done so without violation of constitutional rights.
Viva Bush!
And thank goodness for President Obama's "On the Job Training".
Please give "specific examples" of how the Patriot Act has effectively saved lives. Thank you.

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Please give "specific examples" of how the Patriot Act has effectively saved lives. Thank you.
On January 5, 2005, a drug runner named Noel Exinia, who was engaged in transporting over five hundreds pounds of cocaine from Mexico to New York City, revealed in a telephone conversation that he was interested in other kinds of cargo as well. He spoke about twenty Iraqis, all between the ages of 25 and 33, who would pay $8,000 to get past the Mexico-U.S. border and into the United States. These Iraqis were, he said, in the Mexican cities of Monterrey, Chiapas and Puebla, and were ready to cross into Texas; ultimately, they hoped to get to the Northeast. According to Exinia, they were “la gente de Osama”— Osama’s people. What’s more, they were “dangerous…really bad people.” Even Exinia, with all his experience in the drug underworld as part of the Gulf Cartel, admitted he was afraid of them.

No one would have known any of this, at least until these Iraqis committed a terrorist act on American soil, had it not been for the fact that Exinia’s call was recorded. The recording was permissible under the U.S. Patriot Act.

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.a...

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Before 9/11, our law enforcement and intelligence agencies were limited by law in what information they could share with each other. The Patriot Act tore down that wall - and officials have praised the act's value.

As former Attorney General Janet Reno told the 9/11 Commission, "Generally everything that's been done in the Patriot Act has been helpful, I think, while at the same time maintaining the balance with respect to civil liberties." And as Attorney General John Ashcroft's recent report to Congress makes clear, this change in the law has real, practical consequences.

Information-sharing facilitated by the Patriot Act, for example, was critical to the successful dismantling of terror cells in Lackawanna, Portland, Ore., and Virginia. Likewise, the information-sharing provisions contained in
the act assisted the prosecution in San Diego of those involved with an al-Qaida drugs-for-weapons plot involving "Stinger" anti-aircraft missiles.

It also aided in the prosecution of Enaam Arnaout, who had a relationship with Osama bin Laden and used his charity organization to obtain funds illicitly from unsuspecting Americans for terrorist groups.

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/truth-is-patri...

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#151
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Security checks at airports should be at the discretion of the airline..the owners of the equipment.
I do not support random DWI check points.
Nor do I support any infringement upon the Second Amendment.


Unless it the USPS which is also CONSTITUTIONAL.forget that one, and privatize.. just like AZ does not destroy buy backs, they re-sell, back into the population.. 6 kids in 1 month accidentally shot,, when a fricken 10$ trigger lock,, would have saved every one of them, but Grover didn't teach safety, just profit.

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#152
Apr 23, 2013
 
Face it Cary, until its quicker to vote, than buy a gun. this ain't going away.Your NRA board is composed of a lying draft dodger, and loudmouth draft dodger, a man who is guilty as jello in the Iran/Contra scandal, Reagan forgot about, in Oliver North.Keenes kid is a road rage convicted killer, so you can be PRO-GUN/WITH COMMON SENSE AND ANTI-NRA...CUZ THERE BOARD IS NUTS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, there is good old Grover Norquist owner of the GOP House, and every (R) in the senate, and has killed 6+ million jobs, with 2 words.. 1.FILIBUSTER, 2. "NO"...

gun manf should include trigger locks at point of sale, as it SHOULD come factory installed. Thats to much to ask cuz it infringes on the 2nd amend,right?

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Face it Cary, until its quicker to vote, than buy a gun. this ain't going away.Your NRA board is composed of a lying draft dodger, and loudmouth draft dodger, a man who is guilty as jello in the Iran/Contra scandal, Reagan forgot about, in Oliver North.Keenes kid is a road rage convicted killer, so you can be PRO-GUN/WITH COMMON SENSE AND ANTI-NRA...CUZ THERE BOARD IS NUTS. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, there is good old Grover Norquist owner of the GOP House, and every (R) in the senate, and has killed 6+ million jobs, with 2 words.. 1.FILIBUSTER, 2. "NO"...
gun manf should include trigger locks at point of sale, as it SHOULD come factory installed. Thats to much to ask cuz it infringes on the 2nd amend,right?
You are rambling again.
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#154
Apr 23, 2013
 
http://gunowners.org/a03092011.htm

Patriot Act laying groundwork for gun confiscation? Where is the outrage for this infringement?
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#155
Apr 24, 2013
 
http://politic365.com/2012/12/17/obama-signed...

President Obama a champion of gun rights, upholding the 2nd amendment as interpreted by gun rights advocates?

In his first year in office, Obama signed more repeals of gun laws than Bush did in eight years.

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xando wrote:
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President Obama a champion of gun rights, upholding the 2nd amendment as interpreted by gun rights advocates?
In his first year in office, Obama signed more repeals of gun laws than Bush did in eight years.
Bwaaaahaaahaaahaa!!!

Nice try. But we know better.

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html

http://www.gunblast.com/ObamaQuotes.htm
Gustavo

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#157
Apr 24, 2013
 
Cary L Nickel wrote:
<quoted text>I support the Patriot Act. It has effectively saved American lives, and done so without violation of constitutional rights.
Well, as is usually the case with government, they've used the 9/11 attacks as an excuse (not reason, mind you) to go way above and beyond just simple information & intelligence sharing matters, to create a huge, incredibly expensive security apparatus on national, state, and local levels. An apparatus that, in one respect, seriously threatens the 4th amendment, if not "infringes" on. Oh, but then again, we've got you and your trusty AR-15 standing guard. LOL

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/top-secret...
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Cary L Nickel wrote:
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So please explain to us: Why it is necessary for citizens of the United States to alter hardware, or "get around" ridiculous and useless laws, in order to simply exercise our constitutional rights?
No, not necessary. As I think you've posted before: Vote with your feet. Don't like the laws in one city/state/locale, then move to another where your proclivities are tolerated, if not encouraged. This sentiment is echoed in your link to the Colorado blog where most of the posters are expressing their intentions to either not move to Co as they intended to, or move out if they already live there. I might suggest Wy., or the home state or your heroine, Ak. LOL
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Bwaaaahaaahaaahaa!!!
Nice try. But we know better.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_obama.html
http://www.gunblast.com/ObamaQuotes.htm
guncite.com ? gunblast.com ? Hardly objective sources. BTW: Obama quotes, probably taken out of context, or deliberately misquoted, hardly compares to Executive actions (or inactions as the case seems to be with Obama).

Thus far, Obama has only repealed the ban on weapons in national parks and Amtrak trains, he has done little else with respect to furthering gun control as he promised.(BTW: Georgie boy reneged on his promise to make gun locks mandatory, instant background checks, and as he sweated bullets on the eve of the expiration of the assault weapons ban, his Republican buds in Congress bailed him out by not sending up an extension before he left office.) So technically, Xando is correct.

But I am encouraged by Obama's issuance of 23 executive orders dealing with gun violence. They seem to be a common sense approach to the issues of background checks, mental health vis-a-vis guns,(& you will applaud this one, Cary) information sharing amongst local, state, and federal law enforcement dealing on crazies, criminals, and other nefarious persons who either have or try to obtain guns.
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Apr 24, 2013
 
Well regulated........well regulated......
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#161
Apr 24, 2013
 
Someone call Ted Nugent, he gives a sh*t

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