How do we protect kids in school?

How do we protect kids in school?

There are 6103 comments on the Ruidoso News story from Jan 8, 2013, titled How do we protect kids in school?. In it, Ruidoso News reports that:

During a newsroom discussion about guns about a decade ago, a woman piped up: "I don't understand what the big deal is.

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“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#123 Feb 4, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I see. Well that's good thing to be involved in. I wish the name were different. What you do is as much "animal rights" as anything. Plus, hunting and fishing is one of the best sports around. IMO. Outdoors, lots of good paraphernalia to buy, you can eat it- well some of it anyway and you do a good service to the land as well as the fish and game. Thank you for volunteering your time.
You're welcome. I enjoy doing it. I'd like to know my grandchildren (and yours) will have the hunting, fishing, and outdoor heritage that was passed down to me and from me to my sons.

“Polymath”

Since: Jul 08

Farmington

#124 Feb 6, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
military-style weapons are precisely what the Second Amendment guarantees our right to keep and bear..
Not true. You can't own hand grenades, can you? What about anti-aircraft guns? How about anti-tank missile launchers? Bazookas? Chemical weapons? Bio-weapons?

There are MANY military weapons that we don't allow private citizens to own and RIGHTLY SO!
It's just common sense that we don't want that kind of destructive power in the hands of 300,000,000 people who have to live closely together.

Which is exactly the argument against assault rifles.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#125 Feb 7, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. You can't own hand grenades, can you? What about anti-aircraft guns? How about anti-tank missile launchers? Bazookas? Chemical weapons? Bio-weapons?
There are MANY military weapons that we don't allow private citizens to own and RIGHTLY SO!
It's just common sense that we don't want that kind of destructive power in the hands of 300,000,000 people who have to live closely together.
Which is exactly the argument against assault rifles.
Yet the 2nd Amendment certainly pertained to the small arms carried by your militia man of the era. That would include the best offensive handgun and rifle available at the time. Matter of fact, the civilian Kentucky Long Rifle was a better rifle than the one used by the British Army, the Brown Bess.
Your civilian "assault style " rifle, the AR 15 for example, is not as lethal as your true military assault rifle, the M16 or M4 for example. In US v Cruikshank (1875), SCOTUS said a sawed off shotgun was not protected by the 2nd Amendment because it wasn't the type of rifle normally carried by the militia. If you want to pursue that line of argument, an M16 is certainly the type of rifle normally carried by the militia and an AR 15 is merely an M16 knock off.
downhill246

Boca Raton, FL

#126 Feb 7, 2013
factologist wrote:
<quoted text>This is the silliest crap that I have read in a long, long time.
So let's do this; keep you military style assault weapons and let's outlaw all the rest.
Sounds good to me. According to Sen. Feinstein, anything more potent than a sling shot is a military style assault weapon.According to NYS the Ruger 10/22 ,the most popular rimfire .22 rifle in the United States ,is an Assault weapon. Personally I believe we would save many more lives if we banned people that either voted Democrat or would, if their parole officer said they were allowed to vote.

The 2010 Violent crime rate per 100,000 residents

Detroit, MI-1887
St Louis,MO -1747-
Oakland,CA -1529-
Baltimore,MD-1456-
Stockton,CA-1381-
Buffalo,NY -1357-
Cleveland,OH-1295-
Washington,D.C.-1241
Philadelphia,PA-1189-
Kansas City,MO-1140-


All ten cities have a violent crime rate over twice the national average (404 per 100,000)
Eight cities had a violent crime rate over three times the national average.
Two had a violent crime rate over four times the national average.
What did they all have in common?
The majority of voters in all twelve cities vote for Barack Obama in 2008 and in 2012. Democrats are the problem, not the solution.
safety jim

Montesano, WA

#127 Feb 7, 2013
xando wrote:
The NRA and firearms industry have an agreement that gives one dollar to the NRA for each gun and/or ammo purchase.
That is what america is about getting supporters for everything. So my belief is no one should be able to purchase a firearm without proof of owning a gun safe! People please be responsible and keep your firearm secure and out of the hands of any one but you. That is if your a responsible person?
cjrian

Denver, CO

#128 Feb 7, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
Sounds good to me. According to Sen. Feinstein, anything more potent than a sling shot is a military style assault weapon.According to NYS the Ruger 10/22 ,the most popular rimfire .22 rifle in the United States ,is an Assault weapon. Personally I believe we would save many more lives if we banned people that either voted Democrat or would, if their parole officer said they were allowed to vote.
The 2010 Violent crime rate per 100,000 residents
Detroit, MI-1887
St Louis,MO -1747-
Oakland,CA -1529-
Baltimore,MD-1456-
Stockton,CA-1381-
Buffalo,NY -1357-
Cleveland,OH-1295-
Washington,D.C.-1241
Philadelphia,PA-1189-
Kansas City,MO-1140-
All ten cities have a violent crime rate over twice the national average (404 per 100,000)
Eight cities had a violent crime rate over three times the national average.
Two had a violent crime rate over four times the national average.
What did they all have in common?
The majority of voters in all twelve cities vote for Barack Obama in 2008 and in 2012. Democrats are the problem, not the solution.
Another thing that those cities have in common?

All have strict gun laws!
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#129 Feb 7, 2013
safety jim wrote:
<quoted text>
That is what america is about getting supporters for everything. So my belief is no one should be able to purchase a firearm without proof of owning a gun safe! People please be responsible and keep your firearm secure and out of the hands of any one but you. That is if your a responsible person?
And the mentally ill who carry out these crimes will abide by it. Right...and the criminals who buy guns on the black market...they'll register their guns...and of course, they'll keep their guns in a safe...right. That's the ticket! Take away the rights of the law abiding citizen to protect the ... criminals. Sorry, ain't gonna happen. I have the right to protect my family, my home, my neighbors. My 2nd Ammendment rights protect my rights. You? Call 911...but, due to budget cuts, the response time has increased...so, while a criminal is breaking into your home, holding a gun on your loved one, the response time for 911 is minutes. What do you do in the 'seconds'? Hide under the bed, lock yourself into your bathroom...right. Our forefathers knew. They were visionaries. They set up our government so that what they went through would never happen to those that came after them. They didn't specify that 'muskets vs. ARs were the order of the day. What they said was, "The right of ALL AMERICANS TO BEAR ARMS." To protect home, hearth and family. How do we protect our children in school? Armed police. Now there's a novel idea. Tit for tat. Budget armed police officers in every school, public/private etc. Not just the private schools the politician's children attend...all schools. How many children have been mowed down in a private school with the security Obama's children attend? Doesn't happen. Take my rights away because of mentally ill individuals who will find a way to get their 15 seconds of fame? You'll not take away my Constitutional rights. Not in my lifetime. Not in my children's lifetime or their children's lifetime.
whammer jammer

Albuquerque, NM

#130 Feb 7, 2013
Saint_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true. You can't own hand grenades, can you? What about anti-aircraft guns? How about anti-tank missile launchers? Bazookas? Chemical weapons? Bio-weapons?
There are MANY military weapons that we don't allow private citizens to own and RIGHTLY SO!
It's just common sense that we don't want that kind of destructive power in the hands of 300,000,000 people who have to live closely together.
Which is exactly the argument against assault rifles.
And, the person that gunned down those children was a responsible law abiding citizen. The point is not the caliber, the fire power or the weapon. The point is that we have a Constitution. And, the 2nd ammendment protects my right to own a firearm. Now, your extreme examples are ridiculous. How many of your neighbors own the kind of weapons you use as an argument? Mentally ill, criminals may, but not the law abiding citizens the 2nd ammendment is in place to protect. If you want to make a difference, support the capability of law enforcement to access the 'mentally ill' medical records when the already in place 'background checks' are done. HEPA has prevented that. More liberal rhetoric. Enforce the laws that are already in place. Period.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#131 Feb 7, 2013
At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama meditated on the role of faith and humility in leadership. National Prayer Breakfast-------The Fellowship, also known as the Family,[1][2][3] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[4][5]

The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[6] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[6]

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_ (Christian_organization)
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#132 Feb 7, 2013
How can this be possible in a godless nation on the brink of destruction such as America???!! I thought Christians were "persecuted."

(Being sarcastic here for the benefit of the hysterical right-wing extremists among us.)

"
rider wrote:
At the National Prayer Breakfast, President Obama meditated on the role of faith and humility in leadership. National Prayer Breakfast-------The Fellowship, also known as the Family,[1][2][3] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[4][5]
The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[6] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[6]
Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_ (Christian_organization)

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#133 Feb 8, 2013
xando wrote:
How can this be possible in a godless nation on the brink of destruction such as America???!! I thought Christians were "persecuted."
(Being sarcastic here for the benefit of the hysterical right-wing extremists among us.)
"
<quoted text>
And what about us conservative moderates who have very serious problems with this extremely liberal administration? Not everyone who disagrees with Mr. Obama and his policies is a "right wing extremist". Supporting the constitution and the bill of rights doesn't necessarily make one a "right wing extremist" either. Standing firm against any attempt to abrogate our constitutional rights (including the 2nd amendment) doesn't make one a "right wing extremist".
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#134 Feb 8, 2013
If you aren't a right-wing extremist, my comments were not directed at you.
Squach wrote:
<quoted text>And what about us conservative moderates who have very serious problems with this extremely liberal administration? Not everyone who disagrees with Mr. Obama and his policies is a "right wing extremist". Supporting the constitution and the bill of rights doesn't necessarily make one a "right wing extremist" either. Standing firm against any attempt to abrogate our constitutional rights (including the 2nd amendment) doesn't make one a "right wing extremist".
xando

Phoenix, AZ

#135 Feb 8, 2013
cjrian wrote:
<quoted text>
Another thing that those cities have in common?
All have strict gun laws!
What do those strict gun laws do to prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves?

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#137 Feb 8, 2013
xando wrote:
If you aren't a right-wing extremist, my comments were not directed at you.
<quoted text>
Well, liberal extremists posting on these forums have established a pattern of calling anyone who expresses a conservative point of view and a genuine concern over the extremely liberal agenda of this administration a "right wing extremist", "tea bagger", "racist", "hater", and other derogatory terms. I am establishing a pattern of pointing out that there are a very large number of people in this country who are not confident in this president, disagree with his agenda, and they are not extremists of any kind. They're just concerned citizens who know this administration does not represent their views or the fundamental values they believe in.
rider

Gwinn, MI

#138 Feb 8, 2013
There are 7 Mountains of Influence in Culture...

In 1975, Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade, and Loren Cunningham, founder of Youth With a Mission, had lunch together in Colorado. God simultaneously gave each of these change agents a message to give to the other. During that same time frame Francis Schaeffer was given a similar message. That message was that if we are to impact any nation for Jesus Christ, then we would have to affect the seven spheres, or mountains of society that are the pillars of any society.

These seven mountains are business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, the family and religion. There are many subgroups under these main categories. About a month later the Lord showed Francis Schaeffer the same thing. In essence, God was telling these three change agents where the battlefield was. It was here where culture would be won or lost. Their assignment was to raise up change agents to scale the mountains and to help a new generation of change agents understand the larger story.

This website is designed to help educate those who wish to become change agents in culture for Christian values and to connect like-minded men and women for a common vision.
http://www.reclaim7mountains.com/
rider

Gwinn, MI

#139 Feb 8, 2013
The Family at C-Street Washington D.C. is home to the self-styled Christian mafia, a secretive Christian fundamentalist organization with deep ties to power elites in the US and the world. The Capitol Hill house on C Street has been making the headlines of late, and the news is not good. It seems the house on C Street is a Christian fundamentalist frat house for US congressman and senators.

The house, sometimes referred to as the "C Street Complex", is actually home base for a secretive international Christian cult. This cult is sometimes referred to as "the family" or "the fellowship". The family espouses strange and nefarious goals. Indeed, their mission is to create a universal Christian theocracy, a world where all governments are subordinate to this peculiar and secretive Christian sect.

The family at C Street preaches a secretive doctrine known as the "Seven Mountains Mandate" in which believers seek to gain world control, by gaining influence over seven key sectors of society: religion, government, media, education, arts and entertainment, family, and business. The group is racist and sexist, believing in a strong patriarchy and that God has chosen rich white elites to rule. Members take an oath and are sworn to secrecy.

http://www.examiner.com/article/christian-maf...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#140 Feb 8, 2013
Over the course of the summer of 2009, Washington's Family-run "C Street House" has become notorious as a string of sex scandals have engulfed national GOP political figures who live at, have lived at, or attended Bible study classes at the secretive former convent turned church-cum cheap-rent high end boarding house: Senator John Ensign, former Congressman Charles "Chip" Pickering, and South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford.

By far the story has been driven, first, by Jeff Sharlet, who wrote the 2008 book The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at The Heart Of American Power, which followed Sharlet's 2003 Harper's expose Jesus Plus Nothing. But MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, who has pursued breaking new aspects of the festering scandal with a long-term dedication only rarely seen in mainstream media news coverage, has played an invaluable role in giving the mafia-like "Family" widespread public exposure.

Maddow's willingness to cover the story of The Family and the C Street House in an ongoing manner, week to week over the summer, implicitly indicts much of mainstream news coverage as suffering from collective attention-deficit disorder; given the level of international, geopolitical influence The Family apparently wields, its members' penchant for describing their group as a Christian "mafia", and in light of Family head Doug Coe's zest for celebrating useful leadership lessons Coe says can be gleaned from studying Lenin's Bolsheviks, Mao's Red Guard willing to chop off their own parents' heads for the good of the revolutionary state, and Hitler's Nazis, it's nothing less than astonishing and appalling that most of mainstream news media has neglected for so long to dig further into revelations seeded in Jeff Sharlet's The Family book, which came out early in 2008.

Now, bypassing most mainstream news organizations, Christian media is getting into the act. As covered on the latest Raddow Maddow The Family/C Street House segment, a conservative Christian news magazine, World Magazine, has not only covered the Family/C Street saga but also advanced the story in important ways.

In "All In The Family," Emily Belz and Eric Lee Pitts do what is sorely lacking in much of mainstream journalism
http://wakethechurch.org/Articles/tabid/410/I...
rider

Gwinn, MI

#141 Feb 8, 2013
http://current.com/community/90467518_christi... Jul 19, 2009 – Washington D.C. is home to the self-styled Christian mafia, a secretive ... known as the "Seven Mountains Mandate" in which believers seek to gain world control/Current TV
rider

Gwinn, MI

#142 Feb 8, 2013
Book Description
Release date: June 2, 2009
They insist they are just a group of friends, yet they funnel millions of dollars through tax-free corporations. They claim to disdain politics, but congressmen of both parties describe them as the most influential religious organization in Washington. They say they are not Christians, but simply believers.

Behind the scenes at every National Prayer Breakfast since 1953 has been the Family, an elite network dedicated to a religion of power for the powerful. Their goal is "Jesus plus nothing." Their method is backroom diplomacy. The Family is the startling story of how their faith—part free-market fundamentalism, part imperial ambition—has come to be interwoven with the affairs of nations around the world.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Family-Secret-Funda...

“HUNTING RIGHTS ADVOCATE”

Since: Oct 08

Boggy Creek

#143 Feb 8, 2013
xando wrote:
<quoted text>
What do those strict gun laws do to prevent law abiding citizens from arming themselves?
They restrict the law abiding citizen from possessing the weapon of their choice. The so called "assault weapon" ban would restrict the law abiding citizens from possessing exactly the type of weapon the 2nd amendment was written for. What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand? The second amendment was written for the personal defense of liberty, home, and freedom. Most particularly to defend against governments, foreign or domestic, which means defense against ARMIES. Should we ever need to do this (and I hope we never do), what kind of weapons will we be facing? The fully automatic military versions of the semi-auto sporting weapons you wish to ban. So, shall we go up against an army with muzzle-loaders and single shot hunting rifles? I don't think so. I also don't think that gun legislation does anything to stop psychos or criminals from obtaining firearms of any kind. The only people affected are those who OBEY the law. If the ban is enacted, a very large number of people will become criminals for no other reason than refusing to obey an unconstitutional, knee-jerk, reactionary law. Such a ban would create a whole new class of criminal.....the law abiding, innocent criminal who is only guilty of adhering to the constitution.

When only cops have guns, it's called a "police state".

Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein.

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